Is the recession causing you to live within your means, and less on credit?

The Associated Press reported today that credit card debt has dropped to the lowest level in more than eight years as cardholders continue to pay off balances. The average combined debt for credit cards fell to $4,951 in the past quarter, which is down over 13%. This is the first quarter that credit card debt has fallen since the first quarter of 2002.

During these tough economic times, with predictions of a double dip recession looming, cardholders are paying off debt and consumers are embracing a new trend of frugality. But is this a permanent change, or are we just biding time until we can go back to our old spending habits?

What do you think—are Americans finally learning to live within our means, or is this just a temporary arrangement?

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44 comments // Is the recession causing you to live within your means, and less on credit?

  • singrrr
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      singrrr  
    • I don't have credit cards, If I can't afford it I do not buy it! Yeah it sometimes sucks when I wanna buy myself a shiny new toy, but at least I am not crippled with debt!

    • 1 year ago
  • NorwegianHammer
  • albey77
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      albey77  
    • No, Not in the least... In fact, i am quite sure Credit is Scarce if not depleting in Value. Bearing in mind, Fees, and Interest are at a record high. We are Loosing, our Socks before we can finance them!

    • 1 year ago
  • HellaFresh
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      HellaFresh  
    • Next time our country (ya know this one USA) does something without paying for it then, don't get mad at the American people for doing it 2...All Leaders in this country are supposed 2 b leading by example, REMEMBER. When our OWN Leadership stop doing stuff without paying 4 it, then .... well, u finish the rest

    • 1 year ago
  • bking74
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      bking74  
    • I have seen fellow soldiers get buried in debt. Their families are forced to apply for food stamps in order to make ends meet. This is a shame. Its not just the Military's fault. True, we dont get paid massive salaries as an E-6/Staff Sergeant with 10 years of service. My basic pay is only 3,148 a month barely above poverty level. I also receive BAS of $323 a month, a yearly and monthly clothing allowance. I also receive an extra $150 a month because of my jump status/hazardous pay. My combat special compensation pay is calculated using some bizarre chart from the DoD that I don't understand. I also receive a cash bonus because my MOS is a critical skill and when I re-enlisted I receive a one time cash bonus of $40,000 (the most money I have ever had at once). I live on base, since I am always in the field or on deployment so I don't receive the Housing Allowance. The Military Healthcare/TRICARE system is one of the best in the nation. It provides health care free of charge, they even gave me a bit of plastic surgery on my forehead so I wouldn't resemble the Frankenstein monster so much.
      That being said most of my expensive are taken of, my truck is paid off and I have plenty of money in my saving account, retirement fund and mutual funds. The Army also provides free financial advise and services. Those soldiers who find themselves living pay period to pay period or struggling with young families have made some irresponsible financial mistakes. Living beyond their needs. I don't feel any compassion for the younger single soldiers who get themselves into a financial quagmire but something should be done to make sure the military families are not forced to live in poverty or are reduced to using food stamps to make ends meet.
      I have to agree with what many others posted. Use a debit card with a Visa logo on it or use an AM-EX card and pay the balance off in full each month. That way you can build positive credit while at the same time not find yourself in a financial hole.

    • 1 year ago
  • timetide
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      timetide  
    • bking74:

      I love tricare. without it there's no way we could of ket my sister alive and still have nice things like a roof and off brand food. I grew up on base and saw a lot of military men get into a "spend all i can mode". they burn through their enlistment bonus, their monthly disbursment and so on. not to mention the insane amount of access credit card companies have on base. I remember getting "pre-approved" $500 limits at 14. and very few people on base see a problem with this.

    • 1 year ago
  • bking74
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      bking74  
    • timetide:

      The MHS/TRICARE is amazing. I often wonder why the Federal Government couldn't figure out a way using the MHS/TRICARE as a template to provide basic health care to all Americans (I better watch out, or people are going start calling me a socialist). I am happy to hear that your sister get to benefit from TRICARE and that your family's basic needs are met.
      I know exactly what you mean about these young soldiers burning though all their cash. Spending it as soon as they get it. I haven't even touch my re-enlistment bonus yet. But your also right that on base there are plenty of financial pit falls for young soldiers to fall into to. Credit Cards offering deals all over the base. And what are the three things you find right outside an Army base....1. Bar, 2. Tattoo Pallor, 3. Auto Dealership.
      I know so many young soldiers who will sign their lives away on a new car. Buying something that is way out of their price range but since they are in the Military they can secure an auto loan that is outrageous. I see PFC's and E-4's, whipping around the base in $40,000 SUV's and Sport Cars. Fcuk that I have no problem with my 6 year old Dodge 1500/HEMI. It still looks sweet, sounds nasty and doesn't get stuck in that nasty upstate New York snow. Also, I don't understand why so many single, young soldiers are so quick to find an apartment off base. There is no need. Save your money and when you can afford it or have a family buy a house. I move around so much buying a house is just stupid at this time and I'm not wasting money on an off base apartment. Quarters for E-6's are quite nice and free.
      You right about the Army not doing much to stop soldiers from being financially irresponsible. They offer free financial planning but you have to go to them, but if you get in financial trouble. Owning your creditors vast amounts of money the Army will get involved garnish your wages, make a notation on your permanent record which will effect your chances for promotion later on. Bad credit and financial trouble will effect your security clearance.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dagum
  • bking74
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      bking74  
    • Dagum:

      I understand your concern and while you seek financial advice from any private or public banking institution if we want it is much easier to use the Army's Credit Union and the services of the Financial Management Branch of the Army. So far, so good!

    • 1 year ago
  • olddogdaddy
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      olddogdaddy  
    • No. we have always lived within our means. it's just that the government keeps taking more and more of our earnings and giving us less and less in terms of services.

    • 1 year ago
  • Reaganomics
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      Reaganomics  
    • People everywhere are holding on to their savings like never before. Small businesses are holding back on hiring because they are not sure how this is administration is going to tax them. I believe that when we vote a good number of these democrats out of office this November we will begin to see more confidence in our economy, and things will start recovering.

    • 1 year ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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  • masterzip
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      masterzip  
    • a credit card purchase is agreeing to make a small loan, if you treat your credit purchases as such, you can easily grasp what and how to live within your means by using cash for purchases, and credit cards for reservations,...etc.

    • 1 year ago
  • lu7cky
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      lu7cky  
    • I've never been a big credit card user and currently have none. I've never been able to see the rationale behind paying someone to spend your own money. While they have come in handy during a few emergencies, any other use is a trap. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
  • sgwhites
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      sgwhites  
    • lu7cky:

      I agree that it's important to be careful.

      Credit cards can be useful in a emergency, and they can also be useful in a few other situations. I use mine if I'm buying stuff online from a vendor I'm not familiar with, because it offers me more protection than my debit card in terms of a disputing a charge if the transaction doesn't go as expected--but I also make sure to have that money in my account and pay it off immediately.

      I think one of the big problems is that people don't really associate using a card with spending money. And the minimum payments are a joke. I've been paying mine down (thanks to a combo of emergency doctor and vet bills) and should be done by next month. But if I had just been using the minimum payment? I'd *never* make any progress. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people assume if that's the minimum, that's all they need to do.

    • 1 year ago
  • lu7cky
  • lu7cky
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      lu7cky  
    • sgwhites:

      Paying off charges as quickly as possible is definitely the way to go. The average American, paying only the minimum on a credit card, will be making those payments for 10+ years.

    • 1 year ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • I wonder how much of that drop in credit card debt is attribitable to write offs of bad debt. I have always lived within my means, though my means aren't as big as they used to be. I'm the poster boy for the under-employed. That's why it pisses my off that the economy is so bad because of people who couldn't or wouldn't live within their's, and the people who enabled them to do it. I took care of my business, but now my stock portfolio is in the tank and I can't get even 1% interest on a two year CD. It's ridiculous, how is anyone ever supposed to retire. I've worked hard and saved money, now it's worthless. I don't want to work until I'm eighty. But who can blame them, hell, look at the example they've been given. The whole country can't live within it's means. The national debt is out of control, budget deficits get worse every year, and their solution? Drop interest rates to nothing so even if you had a dollar it would be worthless. Call it what it is, a depression.

    • 1 year ago
  • PhatNick
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      PhatNick  
    • I completely agree with JanforGore.

      You are not allowed to do anything anymore without using a credit card. And what sucks even more is that now my bank (Bank of America) wants me to use my debit card for transactions, even when I go see a teller. I don't like that. The teller doesn't even ask for my ID. What if I was a crimminal using someone else's card?

      What I'm saying is a bit of topic, but everything seems to be done electronically, which means if there is a major computer malfunction,we're all screwed.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • PhatNick:

      I would go so far as to say that it infringes upon our constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I do not feel happiness at selling my entire life to a bank. Thomas Jefferson called it over two hundred years ago on that score. In our zeal to see progress we have only gone backwards because in going forward we have forgotten the human element of it all. And I have a son who is near twenty who I have taught the same thing. He has no plastic, doesn't want it, and knows that if he wants anything it is worth saving for to have it. Of course, as you stated, our society has been set up now in that it is virtually impossible to live without plastic in your pocket. It is a slavery not only to us economically, but morally, and it is has also made us lazy. I was standing on a line a couple weeks ago and the woman in front of me bought a candy bar and was going to put it on a credit card! I just couldn't help it and said out loud, you've GOT to be kidding me... I will give you the dollar for it. She then paid in cash. Unbelievable.

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
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      ScottyT  
    • JanforGore:

      While I'm not really happy about the way things are panning out, I don't see how electronic transactions or having a credit/debit card infringes on our Constitutional rights. After all, you still have the option of not supporting this type of system--and I wish more people would realize that having a credit card is not the be all end all of life--thanks for your post below :)

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • ScottyT:

      We have the option to do a lot of things. In that case couldn't I say that tapping phones is not a violation of our rights either as I have the choice to never talk on a phone or even own one. The point is that credit is the predominant form of transaction in this country and once you do take that option as you are made to feel you don't have a choice(and many who do not have cash have no choice but to take that option) you literally sign your life away. It may not go as far as constitutional rights in description to some and maybe constitutional was the wrong choice of word, but the tactics used by these companies and banks as a result of you being suckered in certainly don't exemplify values in line with that concept.

    • 1 year ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • I don't buy anything unless I can pay for it in cash. This false illusion that you are somehow in better standing because you have a plastic card in your wallet needs to be changed in this country because it is drowning us and dooming our children to a world of debt. I also have never really lived above my means, so I haven't had to adjust too much. And even though many Americans are finding it harder to get by, perhaps for some it may just be an experience some can use to search their souls to finally find what truly makes you happy in life, and it ain't no American Express card.

    • 1 year ago
  • trut
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      trut  
    • I mostly drink beer out of a can now. It used to be Coronas and lime exclusively. And pot forget about it for the most part.

    • 1 year ago
  • dsm198
  • PhatNick
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  
    • Interest is for suckers. I knew this when I was 15. I have no credit cards and no debt (Tooting my own horn... Toot toot!). If you can't pay for something with the money you have, maybe you don't need it... ?

      We all have too much "stuff", anyway.

    • 1 year ago
  • pinkerbelle
  • Steffanywrites
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      Steffanywrites  
    • The recession is causing me to live paycheck to paycheck so that I don't have to add credit card debt to the money I already owe on student loans which I am deferring since I can't get a full time job, let alone a job in my field. Not only can I just not even handle the thought of owing even more money than I already do for my education, my parents who are struggling themselves have even offered to loan me money if I ever need it to pay off a credit card so that I won't ever have the credit card debt that they have. Thankfully, I've been able to make all my payments on my own so far making minimum wage.

    • 1 year ago
  • dariusvons
  • bc_f
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  • sgwhites
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      sgwhites  
    • bc_f:

      It is frustrating. I just got a credit card recently, to build credit and have it for emergencies. I wound up having to put some medical bills on it, and once those are paid off I plan on using it for groceries and paying it off every month or something just to build credit.

      But seriously, you'd think the fact that I managed to live without needing to borrow money would be a good sign that I'm responsible. Apparently not.

    • 1 year ago
  • Steffanywrites
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      Steffanywrites  
    • sgwhites:

      I try to make sure I already have money in my checking account for what I'm purchasing with my credit card - which I usually keep to just my car insurance and gas. That way I have the option of paying it off as soon as the charges appear online.

    • 1 year ago
  • EdJoyProductions
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      EdJoyProductions  
    • My answer is American Express and never never never never use sign and travel. You can only buy what you can afford because you have to pay it all off at the end of the month. :)

    • 1 year ago
  • telcod
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      telcod  
    • The only credit buying before the 1960's was for a home, a farm or an automobile. Now an automobile cost more than houses sold for in 1969 and wages have been flat since then. No more shoe salesman buying a home. And no more single earner people, like the HS gym teacher with 5 kids across the street from me buying a house on his own. Buddy can you spare me $2 for a coffee. Three of my younger children are working at Starbucks and Taco Time for less than $10 an hour. When I was 20, I worked as a Teamster and was making the equivalent of $30 an hour. That enabled me to put myself through college without loans and adopt 3 children. Haven't made that much money since with a Master's Degree in Education. Kept on adopting children who found me.

      Unfortunately, our only real business in the US is servicing debt at 25%. Good to see business is not so good. Still won't gas puppies at the pound to make money. Nor will I go again to foreign countries to kill people who mean me no harm.

    • 1 year ago
  • versasrev
  • dwb2585
  • UrbanGypsy
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      UrbanGypsy  
    • I use credit cards but I try to pay them back immediately. Luckily I have taken up the habit of paying with cash or my debit card.

    • 1 year ago
  • im1mjrpain
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      im1mjrpain  
    • I've completely ditched credit cards and credit all together. The gig is up as far as I'm concerned. I talk to people all the time with Fico scores over 700 who will never pay off there debts. They will make payments for the rest of there lives or until the day they are no longer able to.

    • 1 year ago
  • ScottyT
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