Big Featured Discussions | January 19, 2011 | 66 comments

Are we becoming an uncivil society?

The debate about political rhetoric was happening before the shootings in Tuscon, but the tragedy revived the discussion.  Time asked influential leaders to respond to this question -- but we want to know what you think.

Are we becoming an uncivil society?  Or are there other questions (say, about gun control?) that Time should be asking in wake of the tragedy?

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66 comments // Are we becoming an uncivil society?

  • Raffielo
  • judithann
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      judithann  
    • I would like to comment on being uncivil society, I have only been with Current for 2 days.
      I am very concerned about our children/young people, I have been reading & seeing about all the violence from young people ( about 12 to 30 yrs +/-).
      I'm a grandmother that will be homeschooling my 14 yr old grandson,because of bullying.
      Where are the parents?! what are they doing to teach their kids about tolerance?? We can not leave this up to teachers, which I'm afraid is what is happening. Parents are too busy trying to provide for their families. So, is this
      violence a product of the economy? Maybe.
      Is anyone teaching children about violence and what it does to them and their
      own families? Of course, not to mention the victims families.
      Are our kids desensitized? Yes! I really think this is a vast part of the problem.
      We all are desensitized. As it has always been said, we can change channels,
      not watch violence. But, we don't. I'm really concerned, this wanton violence. What is going to become of us as humans in the future, more specifically my grand children. Ages 3 & 14, my 14 yr old is ADHD & autistic and has a tenderness about him, as most autistic children do.
      So, I'm doing something, albeit very small, by talking, homeschooling to break
      this one chain.
      So, did i get off the subject? I hope not . be patient I will get better at this.

    • 1 year ago
  • Pete_Needham
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      Pete_Needham  
    • I think that we are "uncivil". Considering the other blatant problems(I'm Canadian; we're not immune)...I think that incivility is the least of our problems.
      I was a staunch c-conservative until 1996, or so. Served 25 years in the military, most of the time when liberal governments ran things.
      I thought that they were bad until conservatives took over. What a self-congratulatory bunch of clowns.
      Anyway, back to incivility. I was totally knocked over when Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. Then, when Ford died, the media in lockstep declared that by doing that, 'the country healed' or, 'got closure'. I started screaming internally, "Are you people on drugs?" I was staunchly conservative, yes, but THE TRUTH MUST COME OUT.
      I thought I was losing it...but accidently found the Daily Show with Jon Stewart in the late '90s, and Countdown with Keith Olbermann in 2008. Saved my sanity.
      I still am very short and want to be VERY uncivil to those who worship FOX News.
      I'm very disappointed in President Obama. I want the candidate back.

    • 1 year ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • Well seeing as though this thread is being dominated by Debbie Downers with emotional arguments I had to come back and add my two cents. First off it doesn’t really bode well for the validity of your argument when the thesis is EVERYONE IS EVIL. If that’s really the case then by extension so are you, and so is everything you say.

      Next point; give what we do understand about the nature of human beings I do not find it surprising that most people consider humanity to be uncivil. As was explained in the TED video I posted humans place more significance to events or ideas that are easier to recall. Given the nature of the news media, and the various forms of media in general is it any surprise that we have such a horrible perception of one another?

      Ask yourself this. How many stories/news articles have you watched/read involving,

      Priest that don’t diddle little boys
      Drug dealers that don’t shoot innocent people randomly
      Religious individuals with a full head of hair that don’t burn people at the stake or run around screaming Allah Akbar
      Charitable businessmen
      Politicians with no ulterior motive

      How many times have you watched a movie or read a news paper article about a perfectly normal, boring and non-violent individual? The truth of the matter is that we don’t hear enough about the good of people because it BORING and compared to the amount of awesome evil stuff we’re subjected to we might as well not. Or at the very least no amount of sleep is lost in the process of slamming you and everyone you’ve ever known.

      Really people this whole thing reeks of egalitarian bigotry. So what if you have a perfectly normal fixation on bad stuff, but please don’t sacrifice your ability to reason because by nature its easier to accept a premise then to do the actual homework.

    • 1 year ago
  • crosiss
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      crosiss  
    • We were never civil to start. think about it all the rich and powerfull companys that only care about one thing money. while children starve to death. not my problem as long as i got what i want this is the thinking of most people to day. ignorance is bliss. we need a new system.
      Our current system is not capable of providing a high standard of living for everyone, nor can it ensure the protection of the environment because the major motive is profit. Businesses aren't entirely to blame; they are forced to operate this way in order to retain the competitive edge. Additionally, with the advent of automation, cybernation, and artificial intelligence, there will be an ever-increasing replacement of people by automated systems. As a result, fewer people will be able to purchase goods and services even though our capability to produce an abundance will continue to exist. This is well-documented in Jeremy Rifkin's new book The End of Work: The Decline of the Global Labor Force and the Dawn of the Post-market Era (Putnam, 1995). The Venus Project offers a fresh approach that reverses the negative aspects experienced in our current applications of automation and artificial intelligence. This project eliminates the disastrous consequences that such approaches can have on our society, i.e. the displacement of millions of workers, skilled and unskilled alike.

      The aim of this new social design is to encourage an incentive system no longer directed toward the shallow and self-centered goals of wealth, property, and power. These new incentives would encourage people toward self-fulfillment and creativity, both materially and spiritually.

      purpose beats profit

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpQIrQGHe-o

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • crosiss:

      I like that ! +^d.

      ( aint gonna happen,.....sounds like you're banking on "reason' to steer the course of man; yepper,....aint gonna happen,.....but I like the dream. )

    • 1 year ago
  • crosiss
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      crosiss  
    • remanns:

      im not banking on anything. the system sucks the life out of people. and they wounder why people turn to a life crime,drugs,prositution. It will happen sooner or later the monetary system is not sustainable it will fail more and more people are waking up from fog that has been pulled over their eyes.

    • 1 year ago
  • jimbones2045
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      jimbones2045  
    • "Are we BECOMING an uncivil society"? Kinda foolish, don't you think? I think a better title would be "Are we still so un-evolved that we can't break out of our uncivil society"

      We use people. We kill people for monetary gain. We're selfish. We don't think things through. We're afraid of authority. We're controlled by media. We're very unintelligent compared to China and many other countries. We're starting to hate our government. We're hating each other. We're hiding the truth about the oil spill. We're not talking about animals dying in masses. We're afraid of 2012. We're afraid of aliens. We're afraid of each other. We're afraid of the dark.

      The answer would be "Yes". We're STILL uncivil.

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • jimbones2045
  • remanns
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      remanns  
    • "Seriously" though,....we aren't any worse stock than that riffraff the Brits shipped off to Australia,....some parental empires just prefer to kick their problem children out of the house; we have a society based on a bunch of bright, ruthless,....adaptable,..."Dicken's urchins",.....we got ALL UPPITY "inalienable rights in your face- rebellious" at the world !

      p.s. good for us,....right to speech, arms,....the LOT of it ! RAH ! RAH U.S.!

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • TheBigBeefy
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
  • AngelAlina
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      AngelAlina  
    • Like there are five fingers in a palm each one of them of different size and bears different purpose, society is also a mixture of civilised and uncivilised people.

    • 1 year ago
  • Ricky84
  • Buddha2112
  • saidemily
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      saidemily  
    • There have always been radicals and extremists, it's just nowadays they all have internet access and social media. Plus it's proven in history that we love sensational stories, and it just so happens we zone in on them more than others (because anything else would be boring).

    • 1 year ago
  • Sparky2U
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      Sparky2U  
    • The election of the community organizer in chief who uses race as a playing card in politics has only made things worse.

    • 1 year ago
  • aekfan
  • Prijedor
  • FtheBULLSHT
  • Pete_Needham
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      Pete_Needham  
    • Prijedor:

      Uhhmmm...I'm 62; I think that a lot of the kids today are BETTER than we were.
      The good ol' days...let's see...bomb shelter drills; separate womens' and mens' pay scales; LEGAL racial segregation...I'm just starting...but I think you get my drift...

    • 1 year ago
  • GENERALNATTY
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      GENERALNATTY  
    • Uncivil compared to when?

      They killed a president in the 60's and his brother a senator , shot another one in the 80's.

      in the 90's mcveigh leveled a whole building and evil people set fire to 37 black churches in 18 months in the south .

      In 2008 a assassination plot on obama was foiled, last year some guy flew a plane into a irs building and a guy at ft hood shot up his army base.

      In a nation of almost 300 million people and that has probably 6 or 7 guns for every 10 people that lives in it , its sort of a miracle these things don't happen more often.

    • 1 year ago
  • Will_Rojas
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      Will_Rojas  
    • GENERALNATTY:

      Generalnatty... YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT> MISSISSIPPI in the 60's(Church Burning)-present

      Racist are still alive and walking among us. don't think this game of monopoly is over.

      But id Like to add... We as Humans have Shown a certain Degree of INSANITY, but dont let the bad times get to you, cuz you cant have good times with out knowing what a bad time was. so far we have been progressing to a better world. Unfortunately, at the same time we stumble like peg-legged apes

    • 1 year ago
  • GENERALNATTY
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      GENERALNATTY  
    • Will_Rojas:

      ive come to understand that changes really go more by generations , many people who used to be lynching blacks are still alive today , some have changed their ways while others are raising their grandchildren in the manner their parents taught them , so yes we move slowly forward , even though we cant exactly see where we're going although we have a idea how to get there , we have to know where we are so that we can move forward in the right direction.5

      Too many people have a misguided notion that we have already moved passed a problem before it has actually been solved , that is sorta like catching a illness going to the doctor to get some medicine , but never go back to the doctor for a follow up even though doctor instructed you to do so. Then all of a sudden you end up in E.R wondering whats happening to you , or rather , you think that you've left the 60's behind you and then this happens ------> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/121.html as a wake up call , to jolt you out of your misguided notions and educate you to the realities of the day.

    • 1 year ago
  • coolplanet
  • toyotabedzrock
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • sgwhites, very good article! Are we up against the NRA and all the elected political figures and their lobbyist! Are we led to believe that the only way to settle disputes is by gun play? How can we fix a problem that this massive gun lobby has created? All very good questions, we can talk about it, but who is listening? Nobody!

    • 1 year ago
  • Sparky2U
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      Sparky2U  
    • kennymotown:

      I'll have to call this post what it is, BS. The NRA is responsible for ZERO acts by people using guns. Gun control would mean only the Government has Guns fool. If that is your desire for a place where you live by all means go to China. I own guns of various calibers and models and I am not a member of the NRA, I also have never had to use one against anyone. That does not mean I wouldn't if some jerk breaks into my home or threatens my family or my life with a weapon.
      Besides how can you put your lib army together with out guns Kenny? Going back to rocks and bows and arrows for your revolt?

    • 1 year ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • I do not think human nature is different than it ever was before. I think that currently right wing politicians/leaders and Fox News are invoking fear and hatred in their constituents. Nobody can deny that the right wing has been trying to make Obama seem like he is some sort of muslim-terrorist-communist-hitler-antichrist hybrid, and telling them things like Obama wants to kill their grandmas by denying them health care, or that he is a secret foreign muslim who isn't even eligible for the presidency (or any of the other multitude of ridiculous things they've said). Glenn Beck is making people think that our country is being taken over by enemies who are deliberately trying to destroy our country. Meanwhile other politicians are/were telling their right-wing constituents to use their second ammendment rights (guns) and revolution to fix things. There is no denying that our current uncivil discourse is coming from the right. This is fact. I don't care how the right wing wants to spin this. I have my own eyes and ears. Anyone who is paying attention knows I'm right.

      Things are uncivil now because right wing politicians are bullshitting their constituents. I really think they are deliberately trying to incite violence. Fear is a huge motivator. Just look at how our rights have been trampled since 9/11. Look at how easily they lied to us to start an illegal war in Iraq! The people are not human beings to Republican politicians. People are merely cattle. Cash cows and cheap labor. That's all we're good for to them.

    • 1 year ago
  • chivideoguy
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      chivideoguy  
    • We are, but that is because we are no long adhering to the phrase "We the people" anymore. As we once thought that we were all equal in the United States as our Declaration of Independence declared, we have evolved into a country where those who are better off financially disregard anyone below their status as "unworthy" of their generosity. This is why we have this growing gap between the rich and the poor. As this gap increases the civil country we once had where our intentions were for the good of everyone, people will become more uncivil as the rich and wealthy try and push the majority into debt and submission. Civility will return again, but once "the people" revolt and overthrow the selfish elite.

    • 1 year ago
  • bailey78
  • HeroMAY
  • oppressed1
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      oppressed1  
    • This is just another play from the democratic handbook. Guess we have forgott about the flag burning and all out riots during the Bush administration. How about the G20 summit a couple years ago. This country has always been uncivil. For christ sakes less than 200 years ago. When they had beef with each other they would go out side and shoot each other in a duel instead of bitching at each other from behind a computer.

      Bring back the duel 2011!!

      QQ

    • 1 year ago
  • Stoneyroad
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      Stoneyroad  
    • oppressed1:

      All out riots during the Bush years?
      Can you provide any video of this? Or did it only happen in your dreams

      As I remember it Democratic protesters were rounded up into "free speech zones" under Bush and now Republicans are the ones who are showing up to protests with assault rifles strapped to their backs under Obama.

      How are a democrat's words more dangerous than a republican's guns?
      And is that a double standard of R & D or 1st & 2nd amendment?

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
    • +1
      kennymotown  
    • oppressed1:

      Soldier, What are you saying? I'm counting on you to defend this country without a political bent to your efforts. I love the fact that at this point in history you are on the front lines, but do you really want civility to be played out in the OK coral?

    • 1 year ago
  • kennymotown
  • oppressed1
  • Stoneyroad
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      Stoneyroad  
    • oppressed1:

      So you have a grudge with people on this post because a hippie called you names 35 years ago ?
      That's not very civil , or logical.
      There is very good chance that hippie grew up and voted for Bush, twice.

    • 1 year ago
  • oppressed1
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • On some levels yes, there is a break down between the political spectrum with no one willing to compromise and both sides getting more radical, although it seems the most volatile of rhetoric is coming from and popular with the right. But its not just politics, we are becoming a very self centered society. there was once a time when if you had a flat tire on the side of the road 4 people would stop before you were even out of the car. Now no one stops. It seems that everyone will think of themselves before they make a decision but fail to think of anyone else.

    • 1 year ago
  • PzLuvHappeniz
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      PzLuvHappeniz  
    • littlwarrior:

      So true my friend, people are selfish, selfcentered, and flat out antisocial today. I make an effort to smile at anyone who meets my eyes while im walking from class to class and I get very few smiles in return. The political spectrum has been stretched to the extremes and in more cases it seems like the further these people go to their side, the closer they are to the other side

    • 1 year ago
  • toastyguy11
  • kennymotown
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
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      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  
    • We have always been uncivil. The big difference now is that you can see incivility 24 hours days without fact checking. The media's magnifying glass is not being used to see the truth, only to start fires on flammable issues for ratings.

    • 1 year ago
  • aldroge
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      aldroge  
    • BrushwithDeathToothpaste:

      True. To suggest we are uncivil would mean we were actually once civil to each other.

      It has grown worse with the internet as well and not just in politics.

      Humor sites like Break showcase people brutalizing each other in cruel pranks. Google the phrase PASSED OUT WITH THEIR SHOES ON and see what pops up.

      Gossip sites like TMZ act like they humanize clebrities by treating them inhumanely. Spew half of the garbage they do on their TV show at work and see if you still have a job at the end of the day.

      As for religion, well if Christians, Jews and Muslims believe they are true and correct in their beliefs, why should they compromise? If the radicals and zealots believe everyone else should either convert or be slaughtered, who would survive?

      And politics mistakes itself for being a religion. If they did not, why does it seem heretical to compromise? (see convert-or-be-slaughtered remark in previous paragraph.)

      Are these sweeping acusations? Possibly, but that is the order of the day.

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • pjacobs51
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  
    • pjacobs51:

      not as an adult - - -tried,....but by the second half of the 70's,.....times they were a changing. I had the hair - -all it got be was drug purchase inquiries,....I really wanted to storm a police station or something. So hard to be a "wanna -be revolutionary commie" in America". Not that joints arent nice . . .

      my bumper sticker - " America; FIGHT the Power - not - BE the Power"

      yepper. I like that

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • I think that we are swaying away from being civil, at least on a political level. Each person in this nation is always going to have some different political views from the next person, and at the moment a lot of people who are getting attention (and consequently setting the example for how to act) are more interested in having things 100% their way, screw anyone who disagrees. Politically, we used to be better at looking for and arriving at a middle ground that we could agree on. I'm sure we'll get there again, but at this moment it looks like politics in the United States is going a route that has more in common with professional wrestling instead of a force of elected representatives who are supposed to be the voice of the people.

    • 1 year ago
  • ThatCrazyLibertarian
  • pjacobs51
  • remanns
  • remanns
  • EdJoyProductions
  • EmperorThan
  • EdJoyProductions
  • duzins
  • littlwarrior
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      littlwarrior  
    • duzins:

      I would definatly agree with you that alot of the problems we have today we have always had, but now there is a reporter there for every thing. There is however in my opinion a loss of the sense of community.

    • 1 year ago
  • remanns
  • TaGgInUrBlOcKuP
  • Dagum
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      Dagum  
    • I don't think it's a good idea to use someone with serious mental health issues as the cue to set up the question " Are we becoming an uncivil society?" anymore than using an observational visit to a psych ward as inspiration for such a reflection.

    • 1 year ago
  • Dmerza1989
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      Dmerza1989  
    • Have we ever been civil? Through my short lifetime i have only seen great unrest with society because everyone is looking for a way to make themselves more superior whether it be race,class,religion, political ideology,sexuality, weight,etc. People seem to not accept difference for difference, it always seems to be shed in the false light of a threat and when most people are threatened they do not act civil or rationality.
      Yes, we could ask the question of gun control after the events in Tucson, it is a valid conversation to have but i doubt it would solve anything, mainly just get a bunch of gun owners pissed off and hear the same arguments everyone hears when a negative comment about guns are made. We need to be really asking "What drives people to this?", "How/why/where do they find justifications for these actions?", "Why are potentiality dangerous people not addressed BEFORE they do something?" "Why are people not getting the help they require" Lets not hide our heads in the sand like every other tragedy in this nation lets rise up use it as the catalyst for positive progression in our politics and media. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." -Abraham Lincoln

    • 1 year ago
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