What would it take to get the U.S. to seriously consider high speed rail?
Slate notes that the dream of high speed rail in America is dead. Although unpopular among conservatives, high speed rail hasn't gotten a lot of support from the left, either.
What would it take for the U.S. to get serious about high speed rail?
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artemis6
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Common sense . We seem to be lacking in that department .
- 5 months ago
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artemis6
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Jimdotcom
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I live in NY state where a HS rail connection between Buffalo and NYC has been talked about seemingly forever. I was a supporter until I considered several factors. The first being cost, I can fly to NY for little more than the cost of a train ticket, AND don't have to be at the station at 5:30 AM. I don't see prices coming down with new trains and equipment. Consider also that a train would likely have to stop in Rochester, Syracuse, Albany and several other towns along the way (Figure 1/2 hr per) -- So the train goes 100 MPH and makes the trip in 4 hours add the stops and it's closer to 6.
I'd rather see the money spent on improved roads
- 5 months ago
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Jimdotcom
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artemis6
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Jimdotcom:
Is it all about money to you ? How about life ? As in the number of car accidents annually ? They use less energy long term per person . These are two very solid life affirming reasons to have trains . The life of one person is priceless . So is the life of the earth . You can put a price on that if you want . one more thing , planes can be used for terror (911) , they fly anywhere . Trains are a bit harder to do that with .
- 5 months ago
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artemis6
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OkUnCut
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the only way to to shape them more like breast the #gop can favor any penis shaped transport because then they might out themselves as the the Butt monkeys they really are. Not sure why anyone woudl think this was a bad idea unless teh airlines own congress and we all know that cant happen! #freedom #policestate
- 5 months ago
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OkUnCut
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fingers_drumming
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Hm mm, must not have payed off the right people...
- 5 months ago
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fingers_drumming
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metalorg
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Very very high oil prices.
- 5 months ago
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metalorg
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JLaughbon
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I think American's are on board with anything new and cutting edge. Let us get to work building it.
Hell, let's go to the moon again. Mars. Beyond.
Release the hounds!
- 5 months ago
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JLaughbon
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KuEeBoNo
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We don't need "people" to consider HSR, just POLITICIANS. For better or not, most people just smile and nod their head if their elected officials tell them X,Y, or Z thing will be beneficial to them. What's hold HSR isn't that's it's a waste of resources or those resources that would've gone to HSR are being spent better elsewhere (HA!). The lack of political will is first and foremost the thing that shits all over otherwise good ideas. Look ar Europe, Japan or China! They're making US look like cavemen.
- 5 months ago
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KuEeBoNo
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good_stuff
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We just need to do everything as much as possible over the internet. Don't go to a meeting for an hour or two that is half way across the country, just video chat.
A few billion in investment for improving internet would be a much wiser way to direct money.
- 5 months ago
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good_stuff
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Gravity_Man
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good_stuff:
Nikolai Tesla, the man who gave us all AC motors & electrical generators, he worked on a craft he claimed would carry a person airborne w/out using fuel.
I figured out how it could work, in the Fall of 2007, in one day. But, seeing as how everyone has fought off all my other engines that one has had to TAKE UP SPACE IN MY BRAIN THAT i'D LIKE TO HAVE BACK.
Designed a Self-Building Spiral Pyramid system a couple days ago that would make one jimdandy Space Elevator. There goes more brain space. Howsomever however bad this is when time comes for us to do some really GOOD_STUFF this is gonna be ONE NICE PLANET.
- 5 months ago
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Gravity_Man
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Gordon_Shumway
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Won't and probably shouldn't happen. That train has already left the station ;-)
- 5 months ago
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Gordon_Shumway
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Gravity_Man
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Lots of people hung on Lyndon Baines Johnson's every word as he spelled out his "Great Society" on TV too.
Funny thing though, how in Sci-Fi movies they usually show transportation OVERHEAD either flying or suspended. Of course they can't really give us that because it would hurt Hollywood movies, so we get the dregs (whatever Hollywood doesn't need).
Americans don't eat stupid sandwiches any more, and they know a high ticket SHORT SHEET WHEN THEY SEE ONE, SNAKE OIL AND SCAM.
Obama will pay for it, fund it, and eventually BAIL IT OUT. On the other hand since I just designed a nifty spiral pyramid system that makes a dandy Space Elevator that one won't get funded, likely because of all the pimping money going into shortsheet projects, and their eventual BAIL OUTS.
- 5 months ago
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Gravity_Man
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JanforGore
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Oil runs out.
(Oh and should deram be dream? The o in seriously is also missing).
- 5 months ago
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JanforGore
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tverdell
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Won't happen.
- 5 months ago
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tverdell
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rerushg
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No surprise here, though I do wonder exactly whose dream it was.
Conservatives are all in bed with the airlines so they're hardly interested. Big Money might see it as a profitable boondoggle, a showpiece of US tech, but we're behind the curve on a worldwide basis so it's not marketable abroad. Anyway, it's currently categorized as a progressive (which means liberal which means socialist which means communist which means atheist which means EEEvil) idea; give 'em about 10 years and they'll brand it an "unfulfilled liberal promise" that they will correct for us.
I think progressives simply view HSR as an expenditure of resources that are better expended elsewhere. We need focus on local infrastructure; not just the oft-mentioned suspect bridges but expanded and viable public transportation, personal vehicles more capable of utilizing renewable energy sources, and safe and secure bike paths (golf carts too?). And let's not forget that our existing low-speed rail that can be a tremendous boon to cost-efficient transport with proper thought and improvement.
We progressives are probably better off spending the next 10 years (before the conservative-backed HSR body slam) understanding what our priorities are and, most importantly, establishing governance that does a much better job of evaluating and implementing (or not) new technologies. The answer cannot continue to be purely based on bullshit economics. We've been there for over a hundred years.... got the scars, got the frustration, got the anger.Now, about that Mission to Mars! Cool! Can we hike there? I didn't think so.
- 5 months ago
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rerushg
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remanns
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rerushg:
HAH ! [ Anyway, it's currently categorized as a progressive (which means liberal which means socialist which means communist which means atheist which means EEEvil) idea; give 'em about 10 years and they'll brand it an "unfulfilled liberal promise" that they will correct for us. ]
I like that bit. +^d
- 5 months ago
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remanns
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rerushg:
I do think we should trade a high speed rail system for at lest 50% of the resources we allocate to the airline industry,....which is a MASSIVE inefficient squander !
- - - -but it will never happen. Waiting on that French conquest.
- 5 months ago
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remanns
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rerushg
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remanns:
I do think the airlines should quit whining as if they are some sort of national treasure and let the economics fall where they fall. Having said that, I don't think HSR will fill the void except, perhaps, in certain corridors (say: NY-CHI-LA or MIA-ATL-DAL-LA). There are other issues, of course. Aircraft accidents are messy but they don't stop traffic; train wrecks do. Aircraft fly over snow; I'm not sure you want to mag-lev your way through a few feet of it. Then there's that nasty old law of diminishing returns: it only makes sense to go really fast if you're going a long way.
Given our rail assets, largely ignored when we started going whole-hog up in the air and over the road 50 years ago, it seems to me that we have major opportunities to provide effective rail service in the 200-500 mile segment - too far for auto, too short for air and HSR.
I could go on but this isn't the right forum. I'm just more than a little bit skeptical of the mega-manhood/nationhood spectacular of HSR. Is it cool? Oh yeah! Is it practical? We need to talk. - 5 months ago
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rerushg
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artemis6
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remanns:
AND can be used as a deadly weapon of terror as we saw on 9/11 , trains are better , because they have to stay on a track ... can't just go any old place .
- 5 months ago
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artemis6
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remanns
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Conquest by the French, probably.
- 5 months ago
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