What gun control laws would you enact if you could?

In a responsible fashion. Agreed. But that throws us right back to the problem of criminals not acting in a responsible fashion. I really do not think this punk in CT just snapped one day. I think when the investigation is finished you are going to find he acted calmly and with fore thought. Which is far more chilling than one just going postal. Criminals will always find a way around any legislation.

and please do not think i am taking a partisan stance or i am just arguing. I am responding based on logic and reason.

That's why I think states need to rethink their policies regarding ammunition sales. I don't think it's right that a violent felon or a person with mental illness can just buy ammo at Wal-Mart.

Thats not an argument against gun control laws but an argument to make gun control laws sufficiently effective to greatly reduce murder. To say that we can't stop all murders is not an argument to not have regulation or you might as well just allow murder to be legal.

We recognize your poor use of logic and reason!

Dont agree with some one so attack their integrity.
Very mature approach my friend. Very mature.

Nothing I posted has attacked anyone's integrity. I agreed with one of your comments. I do reserve the right to comment about the logic of a commenters post.

" I do reserve the right to comment about the logic of a commenters post."

Then I will comment accordingly: It is not a "right." Left-wingers reflexively through out the word "rights," which, in many cases, then lead to the next word on their agenda, "entitlement." As soon as something is an "entitlement," our altruistic, beneficient, munificent, loving GOVERNMENT is obliged to FUND IT.

But I do not think you are going to seek funding in this case, so I will limit my comment to your "logic."

It ain't a "right" to comment. It is a PRIVILEGE.

And if Left-wingers would use that word instead of "rights" and "entitlements," almost all of our problems - in education, welfare, speech, family, religion - would be solved!

Not so fast there, flash back to Waco, the AFT and their fears that armed sympathizers would show up and the government would have to put more military resources into the mix than they had already.

Do you think that George Mason wanted his slaves to have that right?

Nah. Just fuckin' with you.

"..there's a limit to how much "protection" one should be allowed."

This is really funny. It is like shooting the bad guy. If you are justified in shooting him once you are justified in shooting him 20 times. An extension of this funny is the concept that you are adequately protected with one firearm but overly protected with several. There is the adage which goes, "Beware the man who only owns one gun, he probably knows how to use it". One could very successfully this and probably be correct but translating it into statutory law should cause rational people to just shake their head.
Anyhow, thank you for the idea.

Excellent image, it sums it up perfectly, the lunatics who believe otherwise are living in some mad delusion.

Taking possession of an assault weapon is a 4-6 month process involving a Federal From 4 which gives personal info, a fingerprint card and a letter from the chief law enforcement officer in the area in which the applicant lives attesting to his/her character. As a class of weapons they have been regulated since the 1930s and no more have been allowed inthe system since 1986. This is one reason Thompsons, M16s, MP5s are so expensive.
What Lanza used was not an assault weapon it we a mere semi auto. carbine meaning it ejected the spent shell and put another in the camber automatically. You can only fire one round with each pull of the trigger. One could state that it was an auto loading weapon but not an assault weapon which is fully automatic.
Weapons such as these, ARs, M1As, Garands and their variations are the most used rifles in competition. Bolt guns, meaning a rifle that requires manual working of a "bolt" after each shot to chamber a round, are used in some courses of fire but they are generally in the minority.
The use of a detachable magazine, they are NOT clips, may or may not increase the rate of fire depending on the dexterity and training of the shooter. I can cause more damage with 10 round mags than most with 30 round mags due to training. Mag capacity is moot. Ditto revolvers which can be reloaded and fired as fast or faster than a pistol.
One of the huge problems with this "debate" is the lack of information about weapons generally that people have. People need to get real. It isn't the gun, it's the hand and the brain.

The UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world. Did the government round up its people and kill them after establishing these laws? Nope.

Doh, I can't believe I forgot to do this for the past few weeks...

Hey Mishie, can you tell me... who won the 2012 presidential election again?

Hollow point projectiles piercing a Type IIIA ballistics vest would mean that there is probably something seriously wrong with the vest. Did you know that the same vest will not stop an arrow or a knife ?

Problem is that the folks making legislation probably have less knowledge of firearms than you do...

Thanks for the compliment - and the info. Maybe they are making vests better these days, but still - hollow-points would be a no-no for me.

Just for your information, hollow point bullets are illegal to hunt with. The point of shooting a deer or the like is to kill it. FMJ bullets glide right through and very likely could cause a wounded animal that will suffer. To quote Tom Skerritt in the movie "Top Gun", "You made a bad choice".

"Problem is that the folks making legislation probably have less knowledge of firearms than you do..."

Now that is one of the truest things said here.

That photo is why you need to ban the bad guns, if you arm everyone the nuts will still be nuts & just blow the place up! Or get a bigger faster gun to kill more people in less time before they get killed them selves.

Liberals mostly are not saying ban all guns! Just the bad ones. They have been banned before.

The liberal party is constantly bending it stance in order to quell the squealing from the 10%er's in the party, if only for a little while, and after those 10%er's sit on their newly conqured ground for a while they start backup squealing looking for more conquest...Tell me this is not true...

Do you think they know what its like for 20 children to die?

Having OCD knowledge is not a prerequisite to effectively legislate.

Correction: Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal to hunt with.
My mistake and my apologies to everyone.

"...just the bad ones. "

What constitutes a "bad gun"? IS it behavior? Is what it says? I must admit that I have never seen a gun misbehave. I have seen them malfunction but tools will do that and a gun is merely a tool. I am a bit confused how an inanimate object can be given human qualities of "bad". Does this mean there are "good guns". Sarah Brady would probably argue that all guns are bad but I wonder if that would also mean the 30-06 rifle she purchased for her son some years ago.

Yes, they are all here.

HATE&FEAR it's what they're all about!

My link is to the inhumane acts done by our country to its own people, and it is not some conspiracy theory.

That photo looks like it is from the Tuskegee experiments with syphilis. They wanted to see the progression of the disease on untreated people, so they left some without any treatment - to die.

I hope you know that it was done by PROGRESSIVES. The Left-wingers revised history as is their wont, and they said it was "southern racism." That was because it took place in the south on blacks.

But it was not. It was PROGRESSIVES and their programs of EUGENICS. Adolph himself wrote to the American PROGRESSIVES and thanked them for the inspiration for their programs of EUGENICS. A lead LEFT-WINGER icon, Margaret Sanger, used to speak for the Ku Klux Klan.

It is the legacy of LEFT-WINGERS that they try to hide, lie about and revise.

Yes there was Inhumane acts done by our country. Even now as untested vaccines.
What are those guns going to do against the CDC etc.

If Texas was almost to the white house about to overturn the government, don't you think the Government would nuke Texas to protect it's self.
They can do that! What would those guns to to the nuke, to stop it?

"My link is to the inhumane acts done by our country to its own people, and it is not some conspiracy theory."

And it relates to gun control laws... how?

People in the United States had guns when those inhuman experiments were occurring, so it's not like guns prevented those experiments...

time have changed!
USA is one of teh most dangerous country in this world, a pathetic result of its todays gn policy.
Safest countries have a tough gun control, their is no magic, no gun, no kills

Yes. I joined the NRA, even though I do not own a gun.

Maybe I can give an interesting perspective. I have been shot. I agree with Charlton Heston, too!

I agree with your other 2 posts but life sentence for possession of a Stolen firearm would be unreasonable because of the transfer laws. If I stole a gun and sold it to you do you deserve a life sentence?

You are probably right, the varied state regs and such, but it sure would be incentive for the buyer to thoroughly document the transaction....

I agree with everything except for the part with the prayer and the pledge.

Also, I think that perhaps the mental health of a prospective gun owner should be taken into account before (s)he may proceed with the purchase. I know that automatic/semi-automatic assault weapons aren't necessary for mass murder (they just had another mass-knifing at a school in China), but they're very efficient tools for the job.

Yea, the prayer thing was iffey to me too, but to me faith of some kind or another has always been, until recently, a cornerstone of the American family. Give kids something positive to believe in when young, and chances are it will follow them their whole life. As for the pledge, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Our mental health care is a joke. All they do nowadays is give mind altering pills, which probably make things even worse. I wouldn't be surprised if pill history goes on record soon. I, for one, am glad I've never had to take that crap.

Prayer in public schools equals state-mandated faith, and as someone who does not believe in the supernatural, I cannot countenance that. Nonetheless, it's good for kids to have something positive to believe in, and I think the best thing for them to believe in is themselves and their abilities to be something great. An educational system that recognizes individuals for their merit and then provides them with the tools to realize their dreams (as opposed to a standardized test high-score factory) would be a start.

As for our mental health care system, yes, it is a joke in its current condition, and it could use a good overhaul, probably along the lines with which I would overhaul the education system.

While stricter gun control would make it harder to murder, I don't think it would solve the murder problem. To do that, we would need to, as a nation, delve deep into what is truly wrong with us, and sincerely try to make it right.

"Bring back prayers in public schools, the pledge of alleigence, patriotism, and put a stigma on bad parenting"

PERFECT! Just wanted to repost it.

"Prayer in public schools equals state-mandated faith, and as someone who does not believe in the supernatural, I cannot countenance that."

I am an atheist, and I would like to see voluntary prayers and a moment of silence in schools. Children cannot even have a moment of silence anymore.

"it's good for kids to have something positive to believe in, and I think the best thing for them to believe in is themselves and their abilities to be something great."

NO, NO, NO, NO! They need to believe in something OUTSIDE of themselves. The cult of "self" is what has been a destructive force in our society. The "love of self," "fulfillment," and "liberation." All lead to narcissism, selfishness.

I agree that there is a cultural problem in the country which has lead to these problems. I also agree that everyone is so concerned with material success and could give a fuck less about their fellow man. that said, I don't think patriotism and prayer are the answers.

I strongly agree about the pills. Too much wierd stuff gets handed out by prescription because big money is pushing it.

Unifying songs . Maybe we could sing "The International" . I seldom hear that anymore.

Ayn Rand must be rolling over in her grave to hear you say that!

Why do you write something like that? What does that have the f... to do with what I wrote?

What kind of prayer? Only jeebus prayers? Would buddhist prayers or pagan prayers be acceptable????

Isn't it hilarious that these cons have no clue of Ayn Rand's rabid atheism, and her disdain for believers of ANY religion??

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/atheism.html

Of course any religion would be accepted. This is America.

Touchy, touchy ...

YES, YES, YES. Congratulations on the best post yet here. I agree 200%!!!!

...they don't "know", they just "believe".

wow you must be a genius or something.....maybe you should run for office. Seeing as how every one in DC can't figure out what to do and you did it in 2 short sentences. Brilliant and I couldn't agree more.

You are completely uninformed and I can tell you have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop repeating what you hear from the liberal media.

I love how the people touting gun control are the ones who don't have a clue about guns.
"Ban high capacity clips" That word, "Clips" doesn't mean what you think it means.

The gun shows are outrageous. Full of pushy jerks makeing up lies to make sales.

I think that's what congress is going to be working on in the new year. Very sensible.

Maybe it's time to stop giving condoms to children!

Why, is it cutting into the selling condoms to children business.

One could never make any money selling condoms to children. That is because LEFT-WINGER policies have it so children get them FREE in the GOVERNMENT schools.

According to Left-wingers, kids are "gonna do it anyway," so they are helping them by describing how to have sex and passing out condoms to prevent disease.

Liberal Logic
Liberal view of human nature
Liberal stance on morals

I remember my middle school health class which taught us vividly about sexually transmitted diseases, they would have had to given me a body condom. Now when you say children (a child is a person before puberty) do you really mean adolescents (between the ages of 13-19) because saying children seems to make your statement... invalid.

Abortion!, Abortion!, Abortion!

according to right-wing ideology (idiot-ology) a zygote is a "person", so that means....

I suppose under the age of 16, perhaps 18, is a "child."

Abstinence, abstinence, abstinence!

Morals, morals, morals!

Responsibility, responsibility, responsibility!

Self-control, self-control, self-control!

Respect, respect, respect!

Oh. Got me on a right-wing technicality (tech-WTF-ity).

Ok. I would argue that if you call a 15yr old a child, they might go and show just how adult they can be with those free condoms. Treat a 15yr old like a young adult and then expect them to show good judgement.

"I would argue that if you call a 15yr old a child, they might go and show just how adult they can be with those free condoms."

Adults and people in recognized positions of authority should not fear children.

"Treat a 15yr old like a young adult and then expect them to show good judgement."

But a 15-year old is a child. Treat him with respect, but as a child. In addition, at that time, and from an earlier age, instruct him in morals, teach him duty and obligation, insist on self-restraint. Tell him the perniciousness and malevolence of self-indulgence and the ignis fatuus of self-fulfillment and self-love.

"But a 15-year old is a child."

State opinions as such, stating opinions as fact makes one appear self-indulgent with an unhealthy sense of self-fulfillment and self-love.

It is revealing how you switched the approach. I wrote about children and ideas, then you changed it to a personal attack. It appears that you take disagreement personally. That is unfortunate.

The comments about children are based on cognitive and emotional development of the human being, as well as the building of character and foundations for a person to develop the attributes of love, responsibility, in contrast to passing out condoms from fear of how children will act or a lack of moral and spiritual resolve.

Attack? Are you attempting to make yourself out to be the victim? Do not confuse observations with personal attacks. You lack sincerity, take that as a personal attack if it pleases you.

"Attack? Are you attempting to make yourself out to be the victim?"

Left-wingers are obsessed with "victims" and "victimization." I simply do not conceptualize it that way at all.

I was clear. I wrote about children and ideas, and you personalized.

Your terms, directed specifically at me for what I wrote:
"self-indulgent"
"unhealthy sense of self-fulfillment and self-love."

The topic was about children and ideas. It was not about you. It was not about me. But apparently, you did not like, or agree with, what I wrote, so you choose to write about the person instead of the ideas.

I hope that is clear, and I hope you do not start word games - because I don't play 'em, pal.