yet sadly, despicably, this DICKman "armchair warrior" (hehe as quoted from above) would pretend to know better people. put him on notice his torturous nazi neo-con pro-Bush bs doesn't fly but in his own twisted head... and I'm sure many more than myself will kindly thank you even to kiss your hands and cheeks for gratitude of the service.

and...a bit more just for Dickman to sober on...

I think it's clear the CIA should pick up [Dickman..hehe] and apply some of the now admittedly weakened "enhanced interrogation techniques" on him. He clearly seems to have some valuable information about imminent American murders, and you know, you just can't be too careful these days. THAT'S what support for torture means, after all.

Posted by: j@ne futzinfarb | Sep 15, 2007 12:29:21 PM

If you waterboard Karl Rove long enough, he will admit to killing John Kennedy. What does that have to do with getting to the truth?

Posted by: WDRussell | Sep 17, 2007 9:42:00 AM

I must say that almost half of these posts make me sick. I am not sure if you fail to realize or if you are too consumed with hatred to see but the fact of the matter is this:
Torture is unacceptable. To derive information from torture subjects opens the door for every other country to detain Americans and under the guise of "national security" torture at will. To circumvent the Geneva convention also puts at risk every soldier in our military as anyone could be labeled as an "enemy combatant" and therefore each and every one of our soldiers could be legally (under our understanding of the rules of war ~courtesy of George W Bush)refused counsel, taken to secret prisons and not even acknowledged, leaving the families of these soldiers to languish, never knowing the fate of their loved ones. To those who would say that we should torture and kill the terrorists or "hang them and shoot them in the head" consider this, as uninvited guests in a country where we have destabilized the government, To these people we have become the terrorists. it does not matter that we are there to "help them", consider that this was also the tactic of our enemy, to cleanse us and "help us" rid ourselves of "evil". Therefore, using your thinking, should these people decided to act as you wish we would, you could conceivably see Americans impaled on wooden posts as a "lesson". your shortsightedness disgusts me. And before you get all riled up, its worth a mention that I served this country's military as an NBC (Nuclear Chemical Biological) Soldier. Your way of thinking puts my soldiers, my friends and my colleagues at grave risk.

Posted by: Adam | Sep 17, 2007 4:52:08 PM

here's a few more worth posting here:

TORTURE DOESN'T PROVIDE ACCURATE INFORMATION
THE US SHOULD BE ABOVE TORTURE

No wonder the world hates our guts, we say we don't torture and then we turn around and do it.

How embarrassing, and how scum-like.

Posted by: | Sep 15, 2007 8:13:22 AM

America tortures people, that is a surprise. I thought America usually used proxy states to do their work for them. You know Egypt Uzbekistan Poland Czech Republic.

However by admitting everything after being tortured Sheikh Khali mohammed has called into question the trial of at least one alleged terrorist who said he chopped off Pearls head.

How many terrorists are running around because those who were tortured hve taken the rap?

Posted by: Chris | Sep 15, 2007 8:51:13 AM

Wow, We are really close to the bottom to endorse torture for any reason. To speak of banning one technique is missing the bigger point - torture results can't be trusted at all, and especially if the prisoner is completely innocent! They will say anything to get the torture to stop. That includes making stuff up! That info is often used to dig a deeper hole for the USA. e.g., the false atomic bomb plot info that was extracted and then acted upon as if it was accurate. It was a completely made up confession to stop the torture (and even welcome a more humane death). Our military invasion actions based on that false info has damaged us on many levels: morally here at home, taken the lives and (minds) of our (young) troups and our world reputation. The lie that torture works (and provides reliable intel) gives the green light for more of the same. All this to impose our fiat money-for-oil will on other contries. This last decade was the beginning of the dark ages for the USA. Save us from this madness - Elect Ron Paul.

Posted by: FindLiberty | Sep 15, 2007 9:35:33 AM

Finally a move in the right direction [i.e. banning waterboarding]. Historically the use of torture has never been shown to have provided any useful information. As a former member of the intel community I would agree. It results in poor information, misinformation, and just plain bogus info. In the 1980's our proxy forces in Central America used it often and I never saw anything good come out of it other than increased hatred towards the U.S. Torture creates more terrorists and insurgents. It is a bad idea. The people who are posting all the crap about weakening our intel have never been in the Intel community and have never seen the real result of torture. All a bunch of arm-chair warriors.

Posted by: David Bradley | Sep 15, 2007 9:44:22 AM

The real torture is hearing these armchair tough guys defending it. I'll be most of them have trouble killing a spider that is scaring their daughter. Losers. Granted, if there was any credence to the idea that torture actually worked, there might at least be an intellectual argument about it. But it's more an issue of self-righteous weaklings wanted to feel important and dominant, when in fact, they are probably ineffective, boring, lockstep suburban geeks.

Posted by: Dan Bernard | Sep 15, 2007 10:50:06 AM

I don't understand the comments of the first two posters here - [proponents of waterboarding] - and those like them, who seem to be operating purely on a primitive emotional level. It used to be that America was trying to set a better standard for the world, a benchmark for goodness and respect for human dignity that the world would look to. These posters are on the side of the terrorists when they advocate stooping to the level of the terrorists in our tactics. By the way, KSM's confessions are - if true, which many are not - an exception to the rule. Most career interrogators concur that torture lessens the reliability of confessions, because people say what they want you to hear, rather than what is true. We should be better and smarter than that. We don't need to stoop to the level of the terrorists to win.

Posted by: Gogi | Sep 15, 2007 11:05:02 AM

does anyone know who this guy is talking to when he says "my friends" ??? lol

some interesting quotes I found on "waterboarding":

A good rule for allowed interrogation techniques would be if I wouldn't mind if they were used on my teenaged daughter or son in my presence while I was tied to a chair and could not move. Why such an unusual rule. Because once you give the government a power it's living Hell to get them to forget how to use it. The next time my or your kids gets mistaken for a bad guy they might just well recall how to "break" them.

Nothing used on so-called terrorists is off limits to use on American citizens. Just ask John Walker Lindh and Jose Padilla.

The entire upper eschelon of the Bush Administration are war criminals and need to be hauled off to the Hague along with the torturers and murderers of the CIA and U.S. military by Hillary. It would then be my hope they'd be found guilty and hanged.

Posted by: David Walters | Sep 14, 2007 6:47:51 PM

(this was one of favorites =D hehe)

After he was subjected to waterboarding, KSM also took responsibility for the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Anonymous CIA Official | Sep 14, 2007 6:34:21 PM

I'd like to see how some of the people defending waterboarding and other torture methods would respond if (or when) it happens to Americans captured by hostile forces. I'm guessing they'd be outraged, just like they were when those soldiers taken prisioner by the Iraqi Army were paraded on TV (and yet they were silent about Hussain or others being shown on US TV).

Hypocrisy, anyone?

Posted by: TNY | Sep 14, 2007 6:38:16 PM

CIA no longer water what?Hey,Langley where's the Gimp?Oops!I'm dreadfully sorry I outed yet another state secret.This is America.The country where people have no recourse to justice because they can't prove that the "invisible government"-the 1%Doctrine that replaced 54/12-is behind the hounding and degradation that they have to endure because it serves a greater good:Hill and Bill's 3rd term and the Bush dynasty's royal ambitions.Why don't you ask your friends at the Hoover building why they don't follow through when people file complaints,knowing who is really behind some of the stunts you pull.What is Johnny Chung up to these days?How is Norman Hsu doing?...

Posted by: Luis Rodriguez | Sep 14, 2007 7:27:39 PM

Back when America used to have integrity, we used to hang Japanese military officers for waterboarding...

Posted by: Comrade Rutherford | Sep 14, 2007 7:46:40

It's all very well to toss civilised behaviour aside in the name of security, but I wonder how many supporters of waterboarding torture would keep supporting it if the Iraqi resistance or the Taliban captured US troops and sent videos of them being waterboarded to death to Al Jazeera or even to the White House? You think it's OK to torture people like this, but let's see how many of you could sit back and watch your own people being waterboarded, locked in rooms and alternately frozen and roasted, deprived of sleep for weeks on end and all those other lovely games that the Americans like to play in contravention of the Geneva Conventions and all the other treaties they deliberately break. Like everything the Americans do, this will come back to bite them. If the USA uses torture, then it can be expected that its own people will be tortured in the same way by its enemies. When the USA starts receiving the bodies of its own soldiers drowned by waterboarding, it will not have a leg to stand on in the way of complaint.

Posted by: Ziggy | Sep 14, 2007 7:55:05 PM

On September 11, 2001 3,000 Americans were murdered by terrorists. Thanks to never-ending pressure
put on the Islamofascist world by the US government, they have not succeeded in mounting another attack. The waterboarding of captured Al Queda, of course, yielded much information. Hats off to the CIA interrogators. What with the attendant smell of suspects defecating and vomiting all over themselves, It could not have been a pleasant work environment. Definite proof that the pay scale of these operatives needs to be adjusted upwards. It's a good way for Speaker Pelosi to go out on a winning note! Thank you my friends.

what about nazi's like you Dickman? Wouldn't anyone who's being waterboarded confess to ANYTHING??? I bet in just a short while even a sadistic mfer like u would cough up whatever "information" you thought would spare your life...and knowing how comfortable with LIARS that you are, it wouldn't have to be the truth.

America doesn't need a bogus war on terror. And we don't need waterboarding no matter how effective or ineffective it is. But we could probably do without a few corporate fascists like Dickman here.

As applied to enemy combatants not protected under the Geneva Accords, waterboarding is particularly efficient because the subject knows there's no protection. He is at the total mercy of his interrogators and thus gives up everything and anything. He leaves the experience drained of information and defiance and returns to the world far less bold and reckless. Waterboarding is thus a perfect interrogation tool for Islamofascists.

“The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law,” said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

How bout that quote "Dickman"?

Loud enough? Nevermind the topic speaks for itself, but is even that somehow "inappropriate" for you??? (schmuck!)

I might be happy if it rang in your ears for quite some time...maybe a lil water down your throat for such insolence might somehow be more "appropriate" for you apparently??? ...ugh!

Sadistic mferz aside, the U.S. is now on Canada's list of ROGUE nation's disregarding international law for such things as this needless waterboarding and other tortures, not doing much for our diplomatic relations with others in the world. The U.S. can now hardly claim any moral superiority as a superpower in the world.

The quote from Senator Kennedy is suspect given his tendency to be loud and inappropriate.