Ex-Guantanamo prisoner ID'd as Iraq bomber

i love how people are so up in arms over this. in my opinion its one less crazy

dgold

Your issue with targeting civilians is a little misplaced. The difference between consciously targeting civilians and not giving a shit that you hit them is significant in terms of intent and semantics, but not in terms of consequence and humanitarianism.

Who cares what label you use? Terrorist or war criminal. If you killed civilians, they're dead.

Now unlike WWII, the U.S. is not actually choosing civilian targets on purpose as a war strategy. But we make no effort to attempt to distinguish where the enemy is and where civilians are. Bombs don't really discriminate. It happened during the bombing of Baghdad (or any artillery or bombing on any city for that matter) and it happened in Falluhjah pretty badly.

Don't you remember when these questions came up during the beginning of the war? Rumsfeld said shit like "humanitarian bombs" and how precise and calculated cluster bombing was? Which led an army official to say, "Yeah, American bombs are unbelievably accurate. They almost always hit the ground," in jest of what Rumsfeld said.

The bottom line is that this war has cost somewhere between half a million to a million Iraqi lives, some of which we were directly responsible for. And all of them we were indirectly responsible for.

It's important not to lose track of right and wrong here.

As for whoever said he was a guerilla, I very much disagree. A guerilla attack is a hit-and-run type strategy aimed at causing the aggressor nation to be forced into a war of attrition. Roadside bombs are guerrilla attacks.

But a _deliberate_, not collateral, attack on civilians is a terrorist act by definition. It's not a question of semantics, that is a terrorist attack.

eight or nine of whom are alive and well today

This is a PATENTLY false claim.

i said outside of whatever accusation people are throwing around about guantanamo the situation does not deem him a terrorist. i never said guantanamo made him do it i just stated its unlikely a kuwaiti especialy his age would do it in iraq against the us military.

American government put it upon him. Our country is run by idiots. Of course if he was going to be released, he was going to pull of a stunt like this. What do you expect? He's no better than some of the brainwashed Marines and other American armed forces out there right now.

this is a war two sides are fighting, do you want the military to be terrorists or war criminals, pick one.

that makes them a war criminal. besides the USA doesn't want to bring law into this their happy with people thinking this is an indistinct enemy with now legitimate organisation. the last thing they want is international and military law to be competently enforced in iraq with them there haha

nazis and allies im sure hit market places in their bombing campaign, and im sure the yanks hit one in their missile barrage of baghdad. my point is terrorism is going into an unhostile zone and attacking it outside of the feild of operations. also i doubt we even know what his feild of operations were because theres no full idea of whose directing all these attacks anyway

are you defining someones role in a war by their choice of death dgold ? the US have attacked more than one non military target in this war and every countries military has done it sometime in a war. also no we dont know his beliefs but i am still stressing how highly unlikely it is a kuwaiti old enough to remember the invasion would choose to die like that, with or without guantanamo

Ritejoker, I did read the article, apparently you didn't.

WE FUCKING LET HIM GO. WE thought he was innocent. No one just gets LET OUT of gitmo! We let them out if we don't think they have any info or if we think they are innocent. WE LET HIM LEAVE, and the only qualifier for that is that interrogators thought he was innocent.

That DOES say something about how fucking useless this program is.

You know, ignoring the obvious human rights violations. But I guess people like Liberal_Extinction have no problem with the U.S. becoming the U.S.S.R.

rationaly speaking, a man from kuwait wanting to die in iraq against american soldiers IS extremely unlikely, remember the gulf war ? and what he did isn't terrorism, its a war zone.

It isn't a matter of whether or not anyone of us believe it was right to do what he did, rather we ask ourselves if through such extreme conditions would a person not take out rage? I don't think this man was a terrorist, I think he couldn't deal with his anguish.

I'm thinking being taken from my home, falsely imprisoned and tortured would make me want to blow something up as well. Neither action is justified but it's a foregone conclusion it was a cause and effect situation.

and guantanamo is inherently wrong. its a giant publicity stunt for americans. i doubt the average american cares what nationality someone in guantanamo is or how absurd it is to accuse them politicaly of " terrorism "

my god, this is messy. alright, the mans not a terrorist, hes a guerilla, a type of soldier, the man attacked the occupation force of a country that A liberated kuwait B horribly abused him and iraq attacked kuwait. that says alot does it not ? bin laden hasn't attacked the US because those videos half the time are look alikes, bin laden was breifly captured in aghanistan and given to delta force and geuss whose still running around, they want him dead not captured. lastly. the vast majority of " terrorism " or " attacks " committed against the states in our centruries most colourful wars were false flag operations. USS Maine 1898 was blown up, Lucitania 1917 provoked the germans and allowed US civis to die, japan and pearl harbour provoked and allowed to happen, they allowed the CIA to use terrorism for anti cuba publicity, the same thing the SAS were caught doing in Basra, except with bombs instead of " drive by's ", Vietnam reason to enter war USS Maddox/Tumer Joy gulf of tonkin incident proven fake. oh, and then theres 9/11, HAH. the USA has caused more self harm than a chain smoking alcoholic pensioner.

Gimto is bad, yes we all get that. However I’m not going to excuse his actions because he was possibly tortured. Come on that’s just silly, you guys are letting your negative feelings cloud your judgment.

How is this solid proof that gitmo is wrong? Seems to me if so far only 1 has slipped through the cracks they ARE holding some of the RIGHT people in there. Is every single detainee being held inherently evil and hell bent on destruction, no probably not. Is there some method to the (perceived) madness though that does lend creedance to detaining these people, probably so. I notice 1 thing VERY common to many of the "progressives" on this site, excuses are passed out like candy at a parade to those who wish to harm the US while the gov't and every entity connected to it are persecuted at EVERY turn. The fact of the matter is that the US has NOT been attacked on it's own soil since 9-11 and bin laden and his ilk HAVE repeatedly promised that it will happen again, like it or not something IS working. Quite frankly I'd rather the terrorists be killing their own people in their homeland than us in ours. Their general population will HOPEFULLY at some point decide they're sick of the insanity of the islamo-fascist-fundies and become ACTIVE particpants in purging them from society for the good of ALL.

This is solid proof that Guantanamo doesn't work. Either this guy wanted to do this even before he got locked up, or he decided to do so after he was released. Either way, whether it is immoral or not, Guantanamo isn't doing its job.

Unfortunately, being a government institution, that means we will be dealing with it for the better part of a century.

Ritejoker, and how about when American terrorists killed well over a million innocent Iraqis, let alone innocent Afghans?

As for 9/11, we have only the assertions of a patently mendacious administration that this attack was made by terrorists whom it named within hours of the event, and eight or nine of whom are alive and well today.

Okay all you geniuses if he was tortured by the United States? How would blowing yourself up and killing Iraqiis help you get back at Americans?
First of all, Liberal is right.
And Saladin, incase you haven't read the article, it wasn't he the United States that acquited him, it was the Kuwait government that acquited the guy. So it says absolutely nothing about the effectiveness of our program.
And all you people talking about human rights, what about the human rights of the people this guy killed?
How about all of you guys stop using your imagination and start using your brains?
This was a horrible attrocity, and you guys are all justifying it by blaming George Bush?
How about when terrorists killed thousands of americans on 9/11? i'm guessing guantanamo bay and george bush drove them to that as well right?

What difference does it make?

One man in Guantanamo happened to be a terrorist.

We let him go, presuming his innocence I suppose. And he goes and blows himself up. Oops, I guess our interrogator's torture didn't supply the right answers. And there are dozens more in the prison still locked up inside with nothing against them.

Says something about the fucking effectiveness of this program dontcha think?

The American soldiers took that all away from you unjustly.

How do you know that? You think acquittal in a Kuwaiti court makes him innocent? Get real!

if i were held for that long , i'd be wanting 72 virgins to myself also .

Of course people are responsible for their own decisions, LE. But he didn't make his decision in a vacuum. That's the point. We can't say what he would have done had he not been imprisoned by the U.S.

Liberal, try using your imagination. Try imagining you've been separated from your family for years and tortured nearly to death. you return home and your wife, assuming you were dead, remarried. your kids dont know you. you have no work, no one to take care of, no reason to live. The American soldiers took that all away from you unjustly.

He did exactly what i would do too, strap dynamite to myself and say hello to my friendly neighborhood convoy.

It all went waaaaaay over your head, Liberal_Extinction. Waaaaaaay over your head.

That's the left wing, moon-bat, foaming at the mouth rabid liberal type response I was expecting the second I saw this article. Way to go vierotchka & chet arthur, way to tout the lefty line.

Terrorists make their OWN decision to blow up, kill, and maim people, the US gov't doesn't decide that for them. I can't say that I'm the least bit shocked that personal responsibility escapes you idiots again. Perhaps you 2 would like to hire some psychiatrist to name their "disorder" and come up with another drug to treat it.

even more - caucasian women!

America should focus more on internal attacks. One day, a caucasian is going to attack and boy will that shake things up.

Gosh darnit. This just gives more fuel to those who want to imprison people even if human rights are violated

Bush's extremist torture methods at Guantanamo bay 1 = Dumb-ass Jihadis' extremist methods 1.

Now they are even.

posterchild: well put.

I guess that makes us even.

that's nothing compared to what I would do if I was taken from my family, isolated, beaten and tortured illegally for 42 months.
Viero is right. we are making more terrorists.

Guantanamo Bay makes terrorists out of innocent men. Three and a half years of being a prisoner in Guantanamo Bay is largely enough to drive any normal person suicidally angry and vengeful.