Community | June 08, 2008 | 44 comments

Endless energy from algae biofuel: closed-loop photo bioreactor

X_MAN
I think that we HAVE to come up with alternatives like this in order to change our thinking. This is a great start! We need to investigate this more and as Americans DEMAND that things like this come to pass....

We depend on oil WAY to much and this would be a way to beat the BIG oil!

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  • buffaloefalcon
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      buffaloefalcon  
    • This video was removed from Youtube, it's difficult to find with the title given. The new title is "ALGAE -- THE HOLY GRAIL OF BIOFUEL?" We must stop using YouTube to post important relevant issues and find alternatives.

      OFFICIAL BOYCOTT of YOUTUBE and GOOGLE on 17 thru 19th of December 2008. We must get the power back in OUR hands (THE PEOPLE). Let's all start using the power we all have collectively.

    • 3 years ago
  • Brotha_B
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      Brotha_B  
    • I know us Americans too well... We will stick with the "old ways of doing things". Afterall - we've been using oil and gas for the past ump-teen years... Who cares if the old way is killing the US financially? We wont' forge ahead or thrive to be at the forefront of the sugarcane ethanol boom. Hells NO! Instead of having our own sugarcane ethanol industry, we will let some other country establish one... Then - as usual - the US will pay too much to import the bio-fuel from them. LOL And we wonder why we are behind so many other countries, industry-wise... DUH!

    • 3 years ago
  • notonourwatch
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      notonourwatch  
    • Hey hey - BooBoo - what can one say that your name doesn't about how critical your thinking can be. Minds that see drilling for more oil to reduce the current expense of same as a solution ignore:
      - current global warming as a critical problem
      - pollution as a local problem
      - care more about their wallet than their children's future
      - do not realise seeking alternatives to fossil fuels is our only viable fuel solution for humanities future on the planet
      - do not realise seeking other means to energise ones home or business is the only sustainable energy use that will assure continued human existance
      and
      shows a distinct lack of overall knowledge and forward thinking.

    • 3 years ago
  • Incredulous
  • allIknowis
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      allIknowis  
    • there was a video clip on wkyc.com out of Cleveland, about a retired guy that was working in his garage for a cancer cure. He built a radio frequency generator and accidently discovered a frequency that would excite plain ole saltwater, and when you touched a spark to it, the salt water burned cleanly. I'm not sure how to implant the link here, but it's worth the time to look it up.

    • 3 years ago
  • Virtual_Will_Rogers
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      Virtual_Will_Rogers  
    • BooBoo...are you what the Indians called a ...contrar.....or do you really feel the way you say you do......and what does 80% of all clear thinking people amount to....can't be over 100 people......or do you mean 80% of all Nuclear thinking people.....led by the one that can not even pronounce Nuclear....Nucular George.....please put your picture on......I want to be able to see you coming.....I know what wet dogs look like already......I hope that wet dog keeps commenting....and some time in the future you sit and ponder some of the things he is trying to put across......Golden Ruler......Will......

    • 3 years ago
  • booboo_36564
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      booboo_36564  
    • Its only a matter of time before the B-leaders in congress will have to let a bipartisan vote on drilling come to pass...80% of All clear thinking Americans, want to Drill for Domestic Oil Now!
      Everything else is just Rhetoric!!!

      McCain 08
      McCain Knows What Americans Want!

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • Kylsport
  • PlatoTacius
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • --------" As long as we have oil men in the white house the government won't spend one cent for development of biofuel technology. "---------Brockie

      That's good. Just take a look at what getting government involved is doing to us now.

      What is needed is LOTS of people who want a solution that fits what we need economical, environmentally and socially to invest in alternative fuel technology and be the ones that own it.
      Not government, not rich elite monopoly owners.
      Just plain old ordinary people who want to provide for themselves, their families, and friends and neighbors.
      When huge profits are made---they should be distributed back to the people who depend on and produce the commodities that the profits come from.

      THAT is why it is so important that this type of technology be funded by the people who need it. Government, Greed, lust for power and profits, and total disregard for the rights of people and the environment are not a good basis for a social system.

      The people that own the means of production should be the people who depend on that same production. We are all in the same boat, we need to share the boat. The free market system is the way to do that.

      -------"......we were lucky on the most part.....our ancestors were concerned with trying to leave something for us that was better than they had........it seems like the percentage of people that still feel that way has dropped considerably............" VWR

      Our ancestors were mostly farmers who understood the need to take care of the land and water --- and we need to do the same thing today.

      In order to take care of the earth, we need to OWN the means of doing so. Owning the companies and technology that produce the fuel we need to replace oil protects that source the same as a farmer protects his fields. We need lots and lots of small investors with a stake in protecting and using biofuel technology and keeping it safe.

      When people can buy biodiesel that does exactly the same thing as oil, cheaper, better, less damaging and renewable---and it comes from people who care about them and the earth----what do you think people will buy?
      And when there is no profit in drilling for oil and destroying the earth what is going to happen to oil and the greedy people who are only in it to take what they can get for themselves?

    • 3 years ago
  • booboo_36564
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      booboo_36564  
    • Wetdog:

      swethog the Liar,
      If we could power a car on the lies, you and the environMENTALIST coupled with the liberal dummycrats we could power the World!

      McCain 08
      Drill here!, Drill now!, Pay Less!

    • 3 years ago
  • Virtual_Will_Rogers
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      Virtual_Will_Rogers  
    • DarkHorseJim made a great statement about the oceans.....one thing that seems to go unnoticed is how all of the underwater pipelines and well heads in the ocean will be treated when they have outlived their usefulness.......the ones doing the damage will not be alive.....or ourselves......the amount of pollution and damage to sea life will be extraordinary......we were lucky on the most part.....our ancestors were concerned with trying to leave something for us that was better than they had........it seems like the percentage of people that still feel that way has dropped considerably............Golden Ruler....Will........

    • 3 years ago
  • Brockie
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      Brockie  
    • As long as we have oil men in the white house the government won't spend one cent for development of biofuel technology.

    • 3 years ago
  • drewsuf721
  • PlatoTacius
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      PlatoTacius  
    • You know Big Oil just hates the fact that this info is getting out into the public...they won't be able to stop the possitive effect that this sort of technology will have on the environment and on this world, nor will they be able to stop its development...this is, definitely, ten steps forward...let's try not to let them walk us backward...

      Great post, X_MAN...

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • jubal:

      Yes, then also use your influence as a shareholder to point the business focus toward renewable sustainable energy and away from fossil fuels.

      Being the tiny voice of one small shareholder will equal 10,000 protestors with bullhorns when corporate decisions are made in the board room.

      Keep up with all the news from your investment, attend shareholder meetings, get to know other shareholders, and if the corporate board does not listen to you and follows bad policy---sell your stock, take the money and invest it in another company that IS persueing good policy.

      That is the nice thing about the free market system. It is even better than politics. If you vote for a politician and he doesn*t deliver on his promises, you*re screwed. If you invest in a company that doesn*t deliver, you can pull your money out and invest in another company that will deliver.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • All of this has been known for sometime.

      Biodiesel is being produced from seawater algae right now in Rio Hondo TX, at 4.4 million gallons per year from 1180 acres of ponds.

      None of this makes any difference at all unless people invest in the companies that will produce and market biodiesel.

      Now is the time to invest.

    • 3 years ago
  • booboo_36564
  • huntre
  • Wetdog
  • Wetdog
  • Virtual_Will_Rogers
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      Virtual_Will_Rogers  
    • I can not remember his name but a scientist sailed the world years ago and has a large facility developing ways to use organisms from the ocean to create hydogen in tanks that could be located everywhere......Nature holds all the answers.....we just need to find the keys......oxygen is the basis of water and carbon dioxide.....if you have a best friend...it is oxygen.....separating oxygen from water and carbon dioxide leaves you with your friend....and two new friends.....if you treat them right.....we will always need lubricants......we just don't need them any more than Earth needs them.......and the way our government is going the need for lubrication grows by the minute..........Golden Ruler......Will

    • 3 years ago
  • jahbini
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      jahbini  
    • This seems like a wonderful energy source.

      But what about the Sahara desert? Cheaper than New Mexico. Lots of sun, too, I'm told.

      The point I'm making here is that unless the US moves forward quickly on ideas like these, there is nothing to stop other countries from doing them.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • jahbini:

      YUP!!! Other countries have ALREADY moved ahead.

      Brazil fuels their entire transportation fuel needs with E-85 produced with ethanol from sugar cane grown on 2% of available agricultural land---and has enough left over to be the world's largest ethanol exporter.

      Spain produces 750 million liters per year of ethanol from cellulosic plant waste right now---and is the largest ethanol exporter in Europe.

      Abengoa, the Spanish energy company currently has the 6 largest ethanol production plants in the world under construction in China to produce ethanol from bamboo. China is producing 1.5 million vehicles to run on hydrous ethanol(straight from the still, no blending) and is increasing production to 2.8 million vehicles next year.

      If you want to be involved in energy production in the future, you may need to learn Portuguesse, Spanish or Chinesse.

      The US has a lot of catching up to do. Abengoa already owns roughly 20% of US ethanol production capacity.

      Big Oil lobbyists own the White House and Congress. IF anything is going to be done, it needs to come from the people of the US, not government or big business. The people need to buy stock in biofuel companies to get biofuels into production and onto the market. And we need to do it now, not 10-20 years from now. Otherwise, the US is going to be left in the dust.

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • booboo_36564
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      booboo_36564  
    • We will never be completely off OIL!
      Oil is a part of our everyday lives, asphalt, lipstick, perfumes, baby oil, plastic products such as TVs, computers...you know flat screen monitors puts off more carbon than a fossil fueled car.
      We all want a cleaner planet...and alternative fuel but, the technology is not there right now...sciencetist will eventually come up with more solutions in 10 - 20 years.
      In the meantime lets use domestic oil!

      McCain 08
      Drill domestic oil before china does!

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • Wetdog
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • booboo_36564:

      -----"We all want a cleaner planet...and alternative fuel but, the technology is not there right now...sciencetist will eventually come up with more solutions in 10 - 20 years.
      In the meantime lets use domestic oil!" ----

      PetroSun is making 4.4 million gallons per year of biodiesel from saltwater algae in seawater ponds right now in Rio Hondo TX. Right now, not 10-20 years from now.

    • 3 years ago
  • booboo_36564
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      booboo_36564  
    • booboo_36564:

      Hey sWeat_Hog, your a damn Liar! just like Nobama!

      "We believe a different type of crop that holds promise for the Future is microalgae"
      Direct quote from canadian petro suns web site!...Now we know who's full of poo poo...does it go with that liberal nobama flavored kool-aid? Moron
      www.petrosuninc.com/algae-biofuels.html

      McCain 08
      Because dummycrats have no solutions, only one awnser to every problem...Raise Taxes!

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • booboo_36564:

      Exploration, drilling holes in the earth and sucking out oil till it is gone is "hunter gatherer" mentality. It was the way the cavemen thought.

      Making oil from microalgae that we grow is farming.

      Farming and domestication of plants and animals to provide food 8,000 years ago was the most fundamental invention of mankind. It allowed people to come out of caves, live in cities with a stable food supply, and build civilizations.

      Why don*t you come out of your cave and have a look around. The world is changing. The rest of us are leaving the caves.

    • 3 years ago
  • booboo_36564
  • darkhorsejim
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      darkhorsejim  
    • With oceans covering over 70% of the Earth's surface-and rising, it'd be nice to think most people in the world could readily benefit from such a plentiful fuel source once the technology is fine tuned, making it available & affordable to the masses. We evolved from the oceans so it only makes sense we would keep returning for life sustaining purposes, this time for energy.

      Any realistically sustainable energy developed is better than drilling for more oil, which keeps control of petroleum based energy consolidated in the hands of the same evil corporations who basically own us, until we continue to develop & distribute alternative sources like this.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • darkhorsejim:

      PetroSun has opened a plant in Rio Hondo TX earlier this year to produce 4.4 million gallons of biodiesel fuel per year from saltwater algae grown in sea water in shallow ponds covering 1180 acres.

      Biodiesel can be used in any diesel engine with no modifications.

      ------"Any realistically sustainable energy developed is better than drilling for more oil, which keeps control of petroleum based energy consolidated in the hands of the same evil corporations who basically own us, until we continue to develop & distribute alternative sources like this."---------------------------

      That will not happen until there are investors who provide the money to produce and market biodiesel from algae. Invest in companies that do this now, and you will be part owner of a company that provides clean, renewable, low pollution energy. Then you will be the evil corporation that makes a profit every time an 18 wheel truck fills up and hits the road. Of coarse, it won't be destroying the environment or the economy or people's lives, but maybe we can find something else to work on. Wildlife preservation maybe? Ending poverty and hunger maybe? What if clean renewable low tech energy production is available almost anywhere in the world that there is sunlight and seawater, would that help? What if the left over biomass from the algae was fed to something that can be used for food, like fish and shrimp? Would that help? That is what the PetroSun plant started out as, a shrimp farm. Maybe raising algae for fuel and having fish and shrmp leftover might work? I LIKE shrimp.

    • 3 years ago
  • polkey1
  • Wetdog
  • lightsprite
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      lightsprite  
    • 1/10th of New mexico? That seems like a large chunk of land. But I suppose that the benefits outweigh the loss of open space. If every deserted parking lot or old building was converted, I'd be all about the algae!

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • lightsprite:

      Total area added together, it would not be either efficient or desireable to have it all in one place.

      ------"If every deserted parking lot or old building was converted, I'd be all about the algae! "--------

      That would not only be logical, it would be a preferable economic solution---deserted parking lots and old buildings are inexpensive to buy.

      Algae are also a main substrate used to purify sewage effluent.

      Get some money together and invest in companies that that will use algae to produce biofuels and other products. Don't wait for politicians to get their act together---that will never happen.

    • 3 years ago
  • powerup
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      powerup  
    • Wow Algae can produce 20 000 gallons of oil per year .Just algae with some sunlight.America should really start investing in this instead of biofuels which is causing a world food crisis in many of the poorer nations of the world today.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
  • gentjim
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