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US congress approved funding for clandestine operations against Iran?

source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080629/pl_nm/bush_iran_report_dc_1

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Someone, PLEASE, tell me I a reading this report wrong. Basically, it says that the USA-CIA is funding certain groups in Iran to promote a regime change. These include certain members of one group Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People's Resistance Movement, according to former CIA officer Robert Baer.

"Council on Foreign Relations analyst Vali Nasr described it to Hersh as a vicious organization suspected of links to al Qaeda."

Suspected links to Al Qaeda! WTF! I know the American, trustworthy, and 100% correct in their investigations CIA has to know this. This article also suggests that Bush is going to give more money to them. OMG, what is this world coming to?

Here is the article, or just click the link to see that it matches word for word ... except for where I put the words "here's the kicker" to highlight the section stating this. If I am misreading this, please let me know ... one way or another ... let me know! Peace out!

"U.S. congressional leaders agreed late last year to President George W. Bush's funding request for a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing its leadership, according to a report in The New Yorker magazine published online on Sunday. The article by reporter Seymour Hersh, from the magazine's July 7 and 14 issue, centers around a highly classified Presidential Finding signed by Bush which by U.S. law must be made known to Democratic and Republican House and Senate leaders and ranking members of the intelligence committees.

"The Finding was focused on undermining Iran's nuclear ambitions and trying to undermine the government through regime change," the article cited a person familiar with its contents as saying, and involved "working with opposition groups and passing money."

Hersh has written previously about possible administration plans to go to war to stop Tehran from obtaining nuclear weapons, including an April 2006 article in the New Yorker that suggested regime change in Iran, whether by diplomatic or military means, was Bush's ultimate goal.

Funding for the covert escalation, for which Bush requested up to $400 million, was approved by congressional leaders, according to the article, citing current and former military, intelligence and congressional sources.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. U.S. Special Operations Forces have been conducting crossborder operations from southern Iraq since last year, the article said. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of "high-value targets" in Bush's war on terrorism, who may be captured or killed, according to the article.

But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which include the Central Intelligence Agency, have now been significantly expanded, the article said, citing current and former officials. Many of these activities are not specified in the new finding, and some congressional leaders have had serious questions about their nature, it said."

HERE'S THE KICKER -

"Among groups inside Iran benefiting from U.S. support is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People's Resistance Movement, according to former CIA officer Robert Baer. Council on Foreign Relations analyst Vali Nasr described it to Hersh as a vicious organization suspected of links to al Qaeda.

The article said U.S. support for the dissident groups could prompt a violent crackdown by Iran, which could give the Bush administration a reason to intervene. None of the Democratic leaders in Congress would comment on the finding, the article said. The White House, which has repeatedly denied preparing for military action against Iran, and the CIA also declined comment.

The United States is leading international efforts to rein in Iran's suspected effort to develop nuclear weapons, although Washington concedes Iran has the right to develop nuclear power for civilian uses."
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72 comments // US congress approved funding for clandestine operations against Iran?

  • navadine
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      navadine  

    • Not to wory - when Obama "the Messiah" is inaugurated everyone will love us and the whole world will be one big Utopia!!!!!!

    • 3 years ago
  • deathcab1
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      deathcab1  

    • i believe whole-heartedly that Bush should be impeached
      the wole war we fought was over oil and a 419 scam

      no matter how detremental the deed

      it doesnt suprise me if it comes from the desk of mr. Bush

      note i did not say president...

    • 3 years ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
  • thisismattholt
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      thisismattholt  

    • Why is this so surprising? funding movements in order to disrupt a country's initiatives is not new to the United States.

      Furthermore, it's not new at all for many other countries in histories past.

      Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I would suppose that whether there is a better way is situational. But if it were up to me, I can't say I wouldn't consider that option considering it's not only saving American casualties but anyone we consider a friend.

      Think about it, if a country has dirty work to be done and lives will be lost, why not have an enemy do it for you?

    • 3 years ago
  • CicatrizJCP
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      CicatrizJCP  

    • Yeh, it wouldn't be the first time the U.S. has supported terrorist organizations in foreign countries to serve our own interests. And if history repeats itself, as if tends to do, it won't be the last.

    • 3 years ago
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  

    • They gave al Qaeda about 6 billion of tax payers money from like 1988 to 1992, so what do you expect?
      Bin Laden & Bush are just a different head on a seven headed dragon

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • diabolical44
  • Prijedor
  • kool53
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      kool53  

    • when are the people we elect or sometime select begin to act in our best interest? are we not tired of making up threats (enemies) in order for Halle burton, G.E., Dupont,
      and countless U.S.industries to test thier products... against alegded militaries...(innocent people)...the real weapons of mass destruction continue to have a american address...WMD...R...us... take heed Iran is another weapon of mass distraction to preclude our many crissis at home. as history tells us.. it was the U.S. policy that sold nuclear specs to Iran...in exchange Iran would not put thier oil om the global market...U.S.oil companies would realize thier insane profits today... if it were not for this poloicy...so take heed if we stay this course... will will eventually bring back the Draft... and make 16yr. boys and girls defend this greed over need policy...under the mantra to fight war on terror!

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • There is one other thing we could hope for.

      INDIVIDUAL ENERGY INDEPENDENCE!

      I am visualizing and meditating on the discovery of an advanced new battery technology that can out put several thousand jewels of electricity, let's say enough to power a car for 10 years or a home for 5 years without recharging, designed and developed by some underground nerd techs who take their invention to the public and become a power house like Google. People flock to buy their battery packs to power everything and no one has to buy oil or coal energy anymore.

      Lets say the battery works using the power generated from a mini big bang contained within a magnetically sealed chamber that generates massive amounts of electrons flowing out of the chamber through special nano tube conductors. The amount of energy and the length of time the energy can flow depends upon the size and amount of matter/anti-matter in the matrix.

      Of course if you tried to open the batter to reverse engineer it, you and everything within say 1000' would be utterly vaporized into a mini black whole; so no one would dare mess with them.

      And the company is setup so that everyone who buys one of these batteries becomes an automatic stockholder. You might pay $20K for such a battery but with the profit sharing over time, your battery will pay for itself.

      How does that sound?

    • 3 years ago
  • HeatherC
  • cubbingabout
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      cubbingabout  

    • Think another false flag operation blamed on Iran will be happening soon, just a matter of where and when. The contenders in order are IMHO
      1. Israel
      2.US
      3.France
      4.UK
      Any opinions?

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • cubbingabout
  • Eirianallt
  • thisismattholt
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      thisismattholt  

    • Why is this so surprising? funding movements in order to disrupt a country's initiatives is not new to the United States.

      Furthermore, it's not new at all for many other countries in histories past.

      Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I would suppose that whether there is a better way is situational. But if it were up to me, I can't say I wouldn't consider that option considering it's not only saving American casualties but anyone we consider a friend.

      Think about it, if a country has dirty work to be done and lives will be lost, why not have an enemy do it for you?

      Just something to think about...

    • 3 years ago
  • CarlosIsDown
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      CarlosIsDown  
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    • One day freedom fighter. Terrorist the next. Sht like this always happens.

      This picture was taken during carters administration....

      We change dictators in different countries all the time. I know someone has a comprehensive list of all the different countries we appointed leadership to. Come on, cough it up.

      Has anyone seen the film Persepolis (based on the comic books by.Marjane Satrapi). It has the Iranian Revolution serving as the backdrop to the story. It's a good film, but according to it, it says that the Brittish government stopped a democracy from forming there.

      "Why be president, when you can be emperor?" the british ask the prospective Shah.

      "You give us the oil, we'll take care of the rest!" he goes on.

      Don't know if it's true though.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • Vierotchka
  • mjsmith11
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      mjsmith11  

    • Leave it to the democrats in power to do all they can to keep their approval rating a steady 10 points lower than President George W. Bush.

    • 3 years ago
  • Dmitri_Molotov
  • victimofcoal
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      victimofcoal  

    • but a drop in the bucket to the total corruption of America. We went from world power to most hated nation on the planet in just 7 short years. Tell me again how the "good christian" conservatives are the moral majority and know what's best for everyone in the world. How is it these people are not totally ashamed of themselves. The self-rightious seam to be beyond reproach.

    • 3 years ago
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  

    • Remember we are the ones that put Saddam in power, and gave him the gas to kill his own people, the ones we are always complaining about him killing. The CIA needs abolished. Poppy Bush headed it long enough to have bastardized it forever.

    • 3 years ago
  • diabolical44
  • JLAZ
  • GabrielleCMrobinson
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      GabrielleCMrobinson  

    • Dear Larznero...

      What is his name? I dont read arabic and would love a translation.... could you post one please?

      Also,
      economically speaking...
      so 15 or twenty years a go we were around the 92 oil crisis, as well as a few surge and dips in our economy. We fund a group that can potentially destabilize an entire region. Its kind of like this...
      an old western american town sheriff is about to get fired because his towns to damn peaceful. So he calls up his brother who happens to be a bit of a clepto or a pickpocket or maybe just not to nice, maybe even just in need of some gambling money, who knows or cares, and then asks him to get someone else to start attacking the relatively peaceful towns around his as well as his... He provide money, assistance, and probably a bit of fun training, and then waits..
      The scapegoat does his part dies in the process and then the sheriff gets a raise a bigger territory and some glory for cleaning up a mess he really started in his living room.
      Now... realistically.... if it works...
      barring the human death toll
      barring the blunt detriment to the emerging adults want to be peaceful
      barring the destruction any level of violence causes

      its a way to selfishly grow, continue, and protect the things in your life you value...

      Everything has two sides I guess and Im getting caught up in the devils advocacy HOWEVER what I was getting at is..

      sounds to me like this war made certain people awfully fat and happy....
      it makes a buttload of sense to try a similar thing again...

    • 3 years ago
  • CaptSutter
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      CaptSutter  

    • How did we ever let it get this bad? I have been living in Europe for fifteen years now, watching in disbelief, see history repeat itself in a truly grotesque ways. But my countrymen seemed blind, are your eyes open now?

      Can we ever find our way back to even a Republic. This is starting to look more and more like Rome in 150 AD.

    • 3 years ago
  • Bren589
  • cubbingabout
  • CaptSutter
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • cubbingabout:

      This is all about control of the OIL and the MONEY. Iran, Iraq, and any other oil producing nation must submit to the cartel or the cabal or face war.

      This is the New World Order of things and has been since the NWO was conceived in the 19th Century.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  

    • The Mossad are blamed for assassinations in Lebanon of many of the leaders....can't remember off hand, but I remember some swaying proof to me that they were. Sounds like these peeps are a bunch of hit men as well as terrorists. Doesn't Italy still have an arrest warrant for 12 of the USA agents?

    • 3 years ago
  • sespian
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      sespian  
    • WorldPeaceTV:

      22 actually - "On June 24, 2005, an Italian judge signed a 213-page criminal arrest warrant for 13 CIA operatives, including the former Milan station chief Robert Seldon Lady, charging them with kidnapping an Egyptian in Milan who held political refugee status in Italy. The victim was also under Italian police surveillance as a possible recruiter of mujahideen for service in Afghanistan and Iraq, although recruiting fighters for foreign battles is not illegal in Italy. The warrants for the 13 CIA men and women, together with their photos, were forwarded to the European police authority, which authorized their arrest anywhere on the continent. It is the first time that a fellow NATO member has ever filed criminial complaints against employees of the United States government acting in an official capacity. In late July, another Italian court issued extradition requests to the United States for 22 CIA operatives based on a 477-page police analysis of what they had done. All of them except for Station Chief Lady were working under assumed names and had left Italy." - excerpt from "Nemesis; The Last Days of the American Republic" by Chalmers Johnson. Also author of THE SORROWS OF EMPIRE and BLOWBACK.

      We must all ask ourselves "What would have to take place in order for me to be compelled to take action against the path our country is taking?" I have already been compelled and have written letters to my congressional representative, the president, vice president, senators, governor and local paper. I will continue to take action until the course we are on is corrected. If it is not corrected then our democratic republic will cease to exist, as did the Republic of Germany and the Roman Republic. They were destroyed from within by the might of their military and the few that controlled them.

    • 3 years ago
  • cubbingabout
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      cubbingabout  

    • Of course the CIA have been funding terror organisations for years. Who do you think trained and armed Osama Bin Laden in the first place. It's not the first time they have tried to fund and create a coup in Iran they did it in the 1950's when Mossadeq was overthrown and the puppet government of the Shah was put in place, and why? OIL.
      Mossadeq nationalised the Iranian oil industry and took it back from the British and US who had been raping it for years so what did they do create and fund a coup that put them back in control of Irans oil till the Cultural revolution happened and now they want it back again.
      The Cia and Mossad are the biggest terrorist organisations out and there is good reason to believe the 911 attacks were done by Mossad(Israeli intelligence.

    • 3 years ago
  • merkaba
  • tomofnorthcal
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      tomofnorthcal  

    • Yes this is what the CIA does with Presidential approval. They are doing it in Venezuela, Cuba, and where-ever a country says no to the US. Instead of finding a peaceful solution, the CIA finds some a-hole that is greedy and power hungry enough to take over the country. Remember these CIA bastoid dictators: Sadam, the Shah (not Shaw), and Pinochet?

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • Relevations
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      Relevations  

    • Just this morning some representative of this country somewhere in the world has done something that will possibly lead to a future terrorist.....although most of America is the most Loving Kind group of people to ever draw a breath on this planet....there are some that are doing a job for the wrong reason.....priests molesting small children......border police stealing from poor people....killing them.....soldiers raping young and old women in front of their family......these things have always gone on......war has always been a way to steal with some sort of justification.....we must learn to stop creating terrorists.....and humans so full of hatred......we are the last link of human civilization......we owe it to all that came before us....and to those that follow.....it seems like we were given a beautiful car.....when we passed it on.....it looks like it was in a demolition derby.....act now or react later......Golden Ruler....Johnnie Hargrave......

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • Relevations:

      You hit it ion the head. ANother example....you are pulled over by a traffic cop, or arrested for a small violation and the police treat you like dirt, disrespectful and downright ugly. No matter how much you try to be nice to them as they are doing their job, they still continue to be this way and then you are also charged with resisting arrest!

      How about the simple procedure of getting your license or another small duty the citizen has to do..you go there and the clerk is utterly disrespectful, looks DOWN at you, and treats you like a pile of dog crap. This behavior is rampart all over the world from what I have heard from horses mouths!

      I've seen all this happen many times.....this is what makes the average JOE flippin mad and wanting to get back at the 'system'..and believe you me, I have heard that as well coming from many mouths. (horses too lol)

      Until GOVERNMENT starts treating people with respect..ALL PEOPLE, we will always have "terrorists" like you said.

      Like in Waco Texas or the Rubyridge in Idaho where federal agents murdered innocents because they had a warrant to arrest...all they needed to do was wait until the suspect went to the flippin store and THEN arrest him. It was no secret the Waco suspect went to town every week..but nooooo, they had to do a hollywood movie raid that ended tragically for many people on both sides. In the ridge case in idaho, the government killed a baby, a dog and a mother and then arrested the 2 men who eventually won a major lawsuit against the government and walked away (finally) with several million dollars for the time they spent in jail and for the murder of their wife and baby and dog. They managed to kill a federal agent in SELF DEFENSE...thats another case the government lost....they really tried sticking it to them. (It originally started out with the government entrapping them into making sawed off shotguns for major moolah)

      Stuff like that needs to be addressed. People need respect as much as the law does.

    • 3 years ago
  • stone246
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      stone246  

    • So wait wait its totally okay for us to be state sponsors of terrorism but if somebody else does it they are the "axis of evil" ?

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • Juas
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      Juas  
    • stone246:

      Exactly.
      This is the hypocrisy that the Bush Administration (and many other presidents) have been hiding from the American People for many, many years.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
  • Juas
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      Juas  
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    • From Wikipedia: Though there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan and "by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war".[16]

      - So back in the 90's it was a great, GREAT weapon sale.

      So what im trying to say is, that may it not be strange to you that the US is funding terrorist organizations. They have done that all the time. They did it all over LatinAmerica:
      Pinochet in Chile.
      Or the Contras in Nicaragua
      Or the Guerrilla in Guatemala
      Or Noriega in Panama
      And so on. If you go to every country and read their history, you will notice that in times were there was a 'coup, the US had always been involved. Including the School Of Americas.

      In the Middle East, the story repeats itself.

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • Juas:

      you're so right, i am aware of that...maybe I shouldn't be surprised they are backing them. Bringing up the contras, that was a fiasco with all the drugs that were allowed into the country...another story my friend about what is really happening and who is running the show...its the ones that control the moolah! since they control it, they need to have control over ALL of it!! If they keep a major part of the population poor, they keep control of it as well..or should say "we the people"!

    • 3 years ago
  • Ogmin
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      Ogmin  
    • Juas:

      Good one Juas, and so true. I would just add one comment; in Guatemela, since the Arbenz govt. was taken out in 1954, the CIA has steadily backed the government troops and right-wing death squads in making war on labor unions, students, Indian peasants, Jesuits, and leftist guerillas. Over 90% of the deaths in their 40+ year civil war were the work of the army in power.

      The present government in Guatemala, while weak, offers more promise for change than any regime that has been in power for the last fifty years.

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • Juas:

      WoW..this is like the US creating its own wars for its own benefit...holy mackeral...if this were a court case against an individual, the person would lose and go to jail without a get outta jail card. In other words, there is guilt beyond a reasonable doubt as the law states in the usa.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • Juas:

      Bin Laden is a CIA asset - his CIA name is Tim Ossman. Al Qaeda is a CIA fabrication. Al Qaeda is the name the CIA gave to its database of Mujahedins it was helping with funds and training to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    • 3 years ago
  • Relevations
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      Relevations  

    • Thank you WorldPeace.....I am so happy to know that you are always fighting the good fight....and thanks to what made you care so deeply....I have watched a lot of drunks in my life.....I do not have to smell their breath...or have them lean against me....George Bush is not president......Jack Daniels is......however, neither Bush or Jack are running the show.....someone......group.......is.....I hope that someday they are exposed......the country will be quite surprised......shocked......sickened.......disgusted......but here is their creed.....Money is our God.......Golden Ruler......Johnnie Hargrave........Good help Us.................

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • Relevations:

      you got that right....greed the number one factor. If it were a country that owned all the worlds coffee, you bet your sweet ass that the USA would be invading Columbia and staking a claim for Starbucks lol.....

    • 3 years ago
  • chapter12
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      chapter12  

    • just as a side note..

      the arabic writing that is posted underneath that image is identifying the pictured individual by name..

      yes.. the same pictured individual which happens to be covered up and is completely unidentifiable!

      so from now on, if you are ever shown a guy in all black with a mask holding a gun on tv, it will most likely be THIS GUY..

      scare tactics anyone?

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • LarzNero
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      LarzNero  

    • This really shouldn't suprise anyone. The CIA, etc. will finance whatever thugs for whatever immediate short-term goal is right before them. The long-term effects, the betrayal of American ideals never effect their decisions.

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • Ogmin
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • clayjj05
  • Vierotchka
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  

    • Just arrest him and hospitalize him to protect himself and the American people.
      Why?

      I think there's too much lead in the water pipes at the white house and this is driving him crazy! He needs close observation and medical care.
      He's suffering from illusions of grandeur and thinks he's the Saviour.
      Moreover, he thinks he can take over the world!!

      Someone please at least check them water pipes (maybe the paint too!)

      At least in the hospital under observation, he can think he has the staff under his command and that the hospital is the last and final hold out in the world.

      The medication can really help a man like him.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ogmin
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      Ogmin  
    • WorldPeaceTV:

      Only a shitload of inference from looking into the anomalies around 9/11, i.e; The CIA visited bin Laden in a Pakistani hospital on Sept. 10, 2001. Although most of us are aware of the early funding history of Al Qaeda, the ongoing connection between is something that we are not supposed to be able to even imagine. You can be sure that any more substantial links will be well-reported by Hersch.

      Thanks for this excellent link.

    • 3 years ago
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • jubal
  • CarolynGillis
  • WorldPeaceTV
  • jubal
    • 0
      jubal  
    • CarolynGillis:

      I don't know they are a fiercely loyal family. Daddy Bush put his dumbya son in the White House as a marionette even though he has proven to be a complete embarrassment to the family name.

    • 3 years ago
  • LAHolly
  • WorldPeaceTV
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      WorldPeaceTV  
    • LAHolly:

      Thanks for keeping me posted that I am not DRUNK!!! But like the posters below mentioned, the government has backed terrorists before. I should be surprised about THIS one!!! thanks again for being the first to chime in!!

    • 3 years ago
  • thisismattholt
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • LAHolly:

      This is complete dejavu of the run up to Nazi domination in Germany and the Third Reich. Their society experienced the same sequence of events leading up to the Fascist takeover of their country, corporations got in bed with the government and the terrorist rebels to manipulate events to suit their purposes; greed. Corporations include the banks that finance them and the currencies that support their evil pursuits.

      BTW many people have come to realize that this administration has been in bed with Al Qaeda and the entire Bin Laden family since before 9/11.

    • 3 years ago
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