Community | July 07, 2008 | 112 comments

911 Coincidences? You be the judge and tell a friend!

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw

jubal
Many people on this site have commented on videos relating to 9/11. There is a stigma created by mainstream media and the Bush Administration that anyone who believes in conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 are crazy.

Please do not allow this kind of thing to continue. There is so much evidence out there about the real events of 9/11 and who was involved and why that if open and public hearings were to be held in congress without the interference of the Bush Administration, I believe that the country would be completely shocked and a total loss of confidence in the government would be experienced on a massive scale. It is no wonder that plans for "Continuity of Government" and "Private Armies, Navies, Air Force, and Space Forces" have been bought and paid for through "Black Operations" that receive billions of dollars in financial support every year. This is being done so guilty will have private military forces to protect them from us; the citizens of the United States who will be outraged to find out that the conspiracy was real.

This administration and other ones surely to come will continue with the plans already outlined for them; they will not be dissuaded.

Although I am not advocating open revolt, I am making a prediction here and now; that by 2012, if the planet hasn't caused extensive damage to the human population by then, our country could be embroiled in yet a second civil war.

They may think that people are just going to accept them, the guilty and complicit Administration, Senators and Congressmen who have either openly participated in the con job or have not had the spine and backbone to step up to the plate and support Impeachment hearings against Cheney and Bush, will just take it and move on because of "stimulus payments" or any other bribe to keep them quite has got a lot of rethinking to do. People are mad as hell and they just aren't going to take it anymore.

I see the whole thing coming to a head after this next election, especially if Obama is somehow not elected, gets assassinated, or turns out to have been lying to us all and is himself a Neo-Con masquerading as a moderate. Anyone of these three could be the hair trigger that could ignite the conflict.

I have also read and seen people posting a more positive vision of the future, one that manifests in spite of the chaos that revelations of massive government conspiracies would illicit. I really do hope that this is the real future that awaits us, peace and transcendence. But could the promise of yet another Nirvana just be part of the "Con" perpetrated by the same individuals who want us not to put up a fight and take America Back?

I don't know, you be the judge of that one for sure. I certainly don't want to tread on anyones faith. But faith needs to be tempered with reason, and viewing the evidence and being part of the jury should be the duty of every American. Watch the evidence and then judge for yourself. Be open minded, you might learn a thing or two.
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  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • StewBradley
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      StewBradley  
    • jawnybnsc:

      I certainly invite you to investigate my research so you can see for yourself the witness testimony and official documentation my "third rate" report is based on. I just hope you actually consider the implications of the evidence before passing judgement. Thanks!

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • jawnybnsc:

      What are the implications of your misjudgments? If you are completely wrong . . . if your whole case is circumstantial and paranoid nonsense . . . wouldn't the implications be just as grave?

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • StewBradley
  • jawnybnsc
  • StewBradley
  • jawnybnsc
  • StewBradley
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      StewBradley  
    • StewBradley:

      Thank you Plusaf for your kind words. Of course I hope that Obama might allow a new investigation but that will only happen if there is enough public demand, which is why promoting this evidence is so important. And to quote Edward R Murrow, "We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law."
      We just need to get that due process started. Thanks!

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • StewBradley:

      The Bush Campaign was largely funded by Enron? Show me your research on that. I'd like to see three numbers please.

      Total Enron Contributions to Bush Campaign

      Total Enron Contributions to Gore Campaign

      Grand Total Contributions to Bush Campaign

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • StewBradley:

      Show me your evidence that the Bush's used their influence to get the Supreme Court to hear their case.

      Also, show me your evidence that purging of the voter rolls in Florida was initiated by Jeb Bush and not by Florida Statute.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • StewBradley:

      As to your conclusions. It's pretty evident that you make some pretty broad leaps, generalizations and ex post facto logical errors drawing from a misunderstood, mischaracterized and flimsy, if not entirely absent body of evidence. There's a reason why none of this was in the 9/11 report and there's a reason why you impeachment zealots can't get that boat out of the dock. It's rather simple really. You can't make the case.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  

    • All the people on the 9/11 Commission were Bush Administration appointees. They wanted the bonafide war criminal Henry Kissinger to head the commission, but he had too many ties to the Bin Laden family's construction companies, just like Bush himself. They were all just business partners. 9/11 was just business as usual.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • maasanova:

      The 911 Commission is one very small piece of the big picture. I'm not really a fan of their work either. I should also point out that none of my criticisms of "troofer lunacy" comes from the 911 Commission. It's a straw man and has no bearing on anything I've posted in response to these troofer threads.

    • 3 years ago
  • riverdeer
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      riverdeer  

    • to jawnybnsc if this is just some crazy conspiracy , why do you care so much about debunking it. did you vote for bush in 00 because of his daddy and in 04 because he scared you?

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • riverdeer:

      Why do you care so much about spreading lies? What I care about is the truth. The truth does not have political stripes. When we abandon reason, we fall into chaos. I'll not celebrate the return of the Dark Ages with the rest of you witch doctors, thank you very much.

    • 3 years ago
  • riverdeer
  • riverdeer
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      riverdeer  

    • you dont need any evidence to see that 9/11 was an inside job. just look at what has happened since then. why the cover ups? why only put 25 million dollars on the head of the guy they said did this. 25 million is a joke . they spent more money on clintons bj and more on bush's 04 inaguration party. why wont any of the main stream media cover anything regarding 9/11 including current tv.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • Image

    • Taibbi's take is classic. This is the same Matt Taibbi that you see on Maher's show. Not a Bush shill by any stretch of the imagination.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
  • jawnybnsc
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  • Vierotchka
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • Vierotchka:

      You believe what you want to believe. There is a whole host of information available on this topic and you've made your choice . . . a truly sad and depraved choice, but it's yours. I hope you come to know the truth one day.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • mjsmith11
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      mjsmith11  

    • I watched as much of the things as I could stomach. I had to folw the links to YouTube to view them. FIrst let me say that without a doubt the tragedy on 9/11/2001 was a result of hijacked airplanes flying into buildings. The amount of eyewitnesses that saw the plane crash into the Pentagon is enough to put aside any wild claim that it was something else. The side of the Pentagon that was hit by the airplane is also the same side that faces the major Interstate I-95. People that saw the plane hit said that is was flying very low and crashed into the Pentagon sideways. The two World Trade Center Towers were also struck by hijacked airplanes. There was a massive bomb that was detonated in the basement parking garage of the World Trade Center about 8 years prior to 9/11/2001. A massive bomb explosion in the basement was enough to shake the Towers, not enough to collapse the Towers. I feel that it is awful how people, especially from different countries, exploit this tragedy to project their hateful rhetoric against our great country. Yes there are some coincidences. So what? The obvious facts of 9/11/2001 speak for themselves. Look at the coincidences of the assignations of Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy. People were in the lobby of the World Trade Center after the hijacked airplanes hit. So all of this talk about massive explosions from below are pure nonsense, too many people were able to leave the building. There were plenty of people in the lobby standing around, not thinking that the buildings would collapse. The blame for 9/11/2001 is on the terrorists and their supporters who participated in the attacks. Yes the Government could have done things differently, looking back with the benefit of clear hindsight. Neither Bush nor Clinton is to blame, the blame is on the terrorists.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • mjsmith11:

      You live in La-la Land. It is easy to mislead witnesses, and witnesses' testimonies are notoriously unreliable. In fact, the testimonies of eyewitnesses are the least reliable, as any attorney will tell you. Your qualifying things as pure nonsense only betrays your wishful and magical thinking, at best. You have obviously not followed or studied the subject, otherwise you'd not spout all this kool-aid.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
  • mjsmith11
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      mjsmith11  
    • mjsmith11:

      Vierotchka - I talked with eyewitnesses and heard their account of what happened. I was not trying to mislead them, I just wanted to hear them tell me whatthey saw. One hijacked airplane flew into the Pentagon, ahijacked airplane flew into one of the WTC towers and another hijacked airplane flew into the other WTC tower. The two men and their videos are very misleading and the conclusions they present are just wrong. These guys do not know more than I do.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • mjsmith11:

      Vierotchka keeps peddling these troofer videos despite the fact that they have been thoroughly debunked. Ross especially. Despite his credentials, his understanding and knowledge of the subject that he speaks on in this presentation have been questioned.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • mjsmith11:

      If you know better than these two, please make a video on each subject with all your scientific knowledge and know-how. No, these two have not been successfully debunked at all.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • mjsmith11:

      You're not trying very hard to find the information then. They have been debunked and many of their claims have been shown to be fabricated. I have no desire to make a video to counter this hateful garbage. I get ill and outraged every time I see it. Others have already done the work and have shot so many holes in these ridiculous theories that it isn't necessary to recapitulate their efforts.

    • 3 years ago
  • Juas
  • regularrf
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      regularrf  

    • This really sucks its just as bad not to respond to this,
      These murdering scum are still in office I hope we don't build a library in their honor. Its right in our faces proof
      of the oil motive we need to take back our country now.
      The time is perfect our army is in Iraq STILL doing what I don't know.Nothing will change with Obama , Bush must pay for this along with all involved.Go after him when hes out of office it will be easy.NBC ABC CBS are part
      of this cover up, the police fireman speek up how can you sleep at night. More people need to see this.

    • 3 years ago
  • LAHolly
  • jawnybnsc
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  

    • Calum Douglas presents his investigation into the flight data recorder from Flight 77 to an audience at the Indian YMCA in Fitzroy Square, London on 8th June 2007. Updated 26th June 2007 with introduction and phone call transcripts. Conclusion? With all the official data he has analyzed, he proves that Flight 77 flew over the Pentagon by a couple of hundred of feet, something else hit the Pentagon.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
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      jawnybnsc  
    • Vierotchka:

      Loony. Where are the people then? Oh . . . they were killed. Everyone. Including Ted Olson's wife . . . whose husband pled Bush's case before the Supreme Court in Bush v Gore. Wait . . . wait a minute. Let me play conspiracy theory. Maybe Ted Olson knew something about how Bush got elected and this was all set up as a warning to him.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  

    • Engineer Gordon Ross MEng. at the Indian YMCA, London on the 8th June 2007 analyses the destruction of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center on September 11th 2001.

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • Midnight_DevilX
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      Midnight_DevilX  

    • FuckBush, you are right. This site is run by the government. Al Gore's involved what do you expect?

      Now, Tower's I and II are highly debated and debunked both pros and cons, so those are questionable, but the evidence points more towards an "inside job."

      Tower VII, though, is the one I want answers to. As well as the Pentagon and that other plane that fell in that one city (I can't remember the name) where the coroner "stopped being coroner after 20 mins" because there was not a drop of blood or plane debris.

      Answer that Current89, you fiend. Answer to all the ones who lost loved ones, all the ones who want answers. I can't believe you can be so apathetic to those who lost loved ones!

    • 3 years ago
  • fuckbush
  • fuckbush
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      fuckbush  

    • Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo

      very interesting if you haven't seen this, i would also like to point out russo died almost a year ago

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  

    • I just got a notice from Current that says that my story had made it to the home page. I cannot tell you how many of my so called "home page" stories have been shot down by the staff here. There have been at least 10 times perhaps 13 where I made it to the home page and then it gets buried.

      They all were ones that deal with so called "conspiracies".

      So that is why I am saying, tell a friend. Tell them to watch number 6 if anything. This one is the most damning.

    • 3 years ago
  • fuckbush
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      fuckbush  

    • yep now its on the second to the last page, they do it because the dont want the truth on tv, the gov wouldnt like that, however they did let the story about wtc7 being solved stay on the front page for a long time

    • 3 years ago
  • maasanova
  • fuckbush
  • AbstractArtist
  • jawnybnsc
  • jahbini
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      jahbini  

    • You Go Jubal!

      If there was not a conspiracy, lets all look at the evidence. And get answers to all the questions.

      And the answer 'telling you will give aid and comfort to the terrorists' is NOT an acceptable answer, Mr. G W President!

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • jahbini:

      Thanks Jahbini.

      We just want to have a fair and thorough hearing of all the facts to be entered into the records. Lets here it all and judge for ourselves.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • jahbini:

      If 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy, it was simply a tragic series of unconnected catastrophic events... The official conspiracy theory is the zaniest and most illogical of all.

    • 3 years ago
  • AbstractArtist
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • AbstractArtist:

      Hey AbstractArtist, your video links aren't working. They look rather intriguing, could you see if there is something you could do to make them play here?

      Try looking at choosing a different image and embedding the video, or the video may be a different graphic than the one chosen by the clipper program.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • VoyagerFilms
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • VoyagerFilms:

      Thanks VoyagerFilms, I thought it all needed to be in one thread so it can be easily watched from one part to the next. There is so much information here. I don't care for Alex Jones all that much, but his people have done a really good job of rounding up footage and assembling graphics, that is if they are his people who created this stuff.

      I just think that there are utterly too many coincidences for the official story to be believed. I am a very skeptical person, a doubting Thomas if you will, I have to sometimes be literally on my knees to finally "get" something.

      This is something I could smell coming two decades before it actually happened. In my prophetic poems that I wrote back in my late 20's and the intense dreams I had. I saw a shadow government emerging and taking control over everything.

    • 3 years ago
  • current89
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      current89  

    • I don't believe in the conspiracy theories, maybe Bush let 9/11 happen(or just didn't give a damn one way or the other), however it's silly to believe that we all know "the truth" about these things, lets just move on.

    • 3 years ago
  • riverdeer
  • jahbini
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      jahbini  
    • current89:

      Yes, it's silly to say we know 'the truth.' But the trouble is that we DON'T know the truth, and that the consequences are monumental. Far more important than the stuff that got Nixon in so much trouble. He only wanted to steal an election. Bush and friends want to steal our America from us.

    • 3 years ago
  • jubal
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      jubal  
    • current89:

      Perhaps you should watch the documentary about 9/11 that purports to be undebunkable.

      It is edited from news clips all talking about bombs exploding and explosive devices being heard, recorded, talked about in reports all about the controlled demolition of the building.

      Even Peter Jennings, god rest his soul, was heard saying that "everybody knows that in order for a building to be brought down you must weaken the foundation of the building".

      The evidence is so overwhelming.

      Will we ever get a fair and impartial record of what actually took place, perhaps not, unless we force the issue to be examined thoroughly.

      Frankly I am sick of cover ups and secrecy; abuse of power and greed. These forces are what is destroying this country, its constitution, and the freedom everybody so cherishes.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • jawnybnsc
  • riverdeer
  • mjsmith11
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      mjsmith11  

    • I do not believe in the conspiracies. I will have to look at the videos tomorrow, because it is very late and I am tired. I would just like to poit out that another term for "neo-con" or "New Conservative" is "Former Liberal". I do not buy into the myth of over population either. In hind sight, I do not agree with al of the actions in response 9/11/2001. Some things could have been done diferently. I also feel that many things have been done very well inresponse to the attacks against the United States. I feel that whatever Bush did as Commander and Chief is better than anything Gore or Kerry would do. I understand that we live in a world filled with hate. We also live in a world filled with love and generousity.

    • 3 years ago
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  
    • mjsmith11:

      1) ITS NOT A CONSPIRACY IF YOU CAN PROVE IT.

      Anyways, since your going to watch TV anyways for an hour and a half--at some point in the next day or two--you should watch the most thrilling, mind shaking, emotion twirling, heart wrenching conspiracy theory that will open your mind, and most likely plant a seed of political awakening.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • mjsmith11:

      History is replete with conspiracies, both successful and failed ones. The official 9/11 story is a conspiracy theory. There are multiple clauses in American law which deal specifically with conspiracies. When two or more people get together and plan to do something - whether good or bad - it is a conspiracy.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • mjsmith11
  • Vierotchka
  • jawnybnsc
  • thewarnerla
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      thewarnerla  

    • This is why current is the future of news media with viewer created content. I love current.tv, I love those who do the needed deeds of 911truth.org, I love the creators of Loose Change 9/11. If you haven't seen the Loose Change Final Cut--you need to, and you need to be prepared for what you know in life to be flipped upside down. The time is now and we need to act on the truth. No more people magazine, tmz, or any of the bullshit those forms of media throw at our 40 hours+ tired souls from work. Break the mold and free your soul!

    • 3 years ago
  • jawnybnsc
  • Virtual_Will_Rogers
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      Virtual_Will_Rogers  

    • The truth will come out soon....many people will find they have been hating the wrong people......Bush and Cheney do not even know themselves the true leadership behind this.....they are only ignorant scapegoats.....good ones but ignorant.......Golden Ruler....Will...........

    • 3 years ago
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