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Russia will use "military methods" over US-Czech missile shield

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Russia's foreign ministry has said it will be forced to react with military means if the US and Czech Republic go ahead with plans for a missile shield.

It said Russia would respond "not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods" if the system was deployed.

The statement comes hours after the US signed an initial deal to base part of Washington's controversial missile defence system in the Czech Republic.

Moscow says siting the system near its borders could weaken its own defenses. It has previously threatened to aim its own missiles at any eventual base in Poland or the Czech Republic.

The deal, signed by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Prague on Tuesday, allows a tracking radar base to be set up on Czech territory. The Pentagon says the shield is designed to counter a threat from the Middle East, not Russia.
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  • WorldPeaceTV
  • Kati_kat
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      Kati_kat  
    • I don't know, I think we ALL need to get the fuck out of each others faces. What do we need a missile defense system in someone else's country for anyway? You'd think we'd figure this out sooner or later, but noooo, everyone subscribes to ridiculous religions that tell everyone that they are the best and when the world ends god will save them, so they keep trying to blow the world up cause they think they're exempt somehow. Someone on here said something awesome the other day, "When everyone thinks god is on their side, someone is bound to be disappointed." We're all made of flesh and blood, people, every one of us.

    • 3 years ago
  • alexandrek
  • TommoB
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      TommoB  
    • alexandrek:

      If Russia can gain Mexican concurrence to install a few ABMs along their US Border, I don't think the US would be in any position - moral or otherwise - to complain. However, if the intent was to limit the effectiveness of a US nuclear first strike, this would be a waste of Russia's defense investment. Better to use the Canadian Arctic.

      By the way, I think this is an excellent idea. Wouldn't discouraging any thought that a limited first strike might be "successful" - under some insane definition of success - be a Good Thing?

    • 3 years ago
  • malathion
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      malathion  
    • here's Patton on Russians :
      " i have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them .
      in addition to his other amiable characteristics , the russian has no respect for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches , barbarians and chronic drunks ."
      it's just a great quote , coming from an american whom could have eliminated the present BS before it ever began - immediately following germany's surrender in ww2 - had the political machine at the time given him the go ahead .
      i love Russians - but Putin's politics make me wish Patton had had his way .
      for any other ww2 history buff who might recall some of Patton's predictions , he foresaw that germany , and the areas bordering russia ,would be used as a buffer zone against a soviet state during a cold war which he knew would follow ww2 - and when Putin threatens military intervention in this present situation , he has Patton in mind , subconsciously or not . Patton was right .

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • malathion
  • JohnA
  • TommoB
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      TommoB  
    • Apparently, Russian war fighting doctrine includes a "limited" nuclear first strike? It sure would be interesting to see the first, say, 30 targets on the war plans at the top of the deck...

    • 3 years ago
  • _Hayko
  • JohnA
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • ANYONE who takes Putin lightly does so at his own peril. If you don't think Putin still runs Russia you are severely disillusioned. He completed the most successful bloodless coup in history, the government is a puppet to him. He has his own nukes, he has his own oil, he is as cold-blooded a person as is walking the planet, and he is not scared. He wants to rule the world.

    • 3 years ago
  • Robroy1
  • malathion
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      malathion  
    • you couldn't launch a bottle rocket from one without russia knowing exactly when you lit the fuse . they pose no threat to russia . russia has subs roaming the seas which can respond in terms of nano-seconds to any US aggression ( and vice versa ) .

    • 3 years ago
  • clayjj05
  • Dmitri_Molotov
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      Dmitri_Molotov  
    • Interesting. Why build a defense grid on the ground when you could simply send a laser cannon satellite into space? Not kidding, a laser would be a very effective way to shoot down missiles. They already do it in atmosphere (look up THEL) and it would be doubly effective in space. Solar power or a small nuclear reactor could power it.

    • 3 years ago
  • lighterslayer
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • I don't blame Russia and commend them on thier response to agression by Bushies and the Pentagon. the Pentagon must be cut in half soon or they will bewaging war in space as well as all over the world. These people know no other way of life but to kill. Somehow they must be stopped Eisenhower was right when he said the Pentagon would get out of control. It is happening now. Stop the pentagon and thier war machine which is all part of the far right lunatic fringe republicans with a guilt complex.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • Wessagusset_Oracle
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      Wessagusset_Oracle  
    • ONCE AGAIN, the arrogant, wrong, delusional, drunk, and disgusting the Russian government is, NOT MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

      They still think they "control" the puppet states, oh how wrong.

      Russia is NOT part of this equation, and should mind their business.

      Like a little bitch who wants attention!

    • 3 years ago
  • kewal91
  • JohnA
  • Emil_G
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      Emil_G  
    • Wessagusset_Oracle:

      LOL I like how you now added "government" after your bigoted comment was flagged. However it still sounds very silly - yes, I am sure the Russian government is drunk. All the time. I bet Medvedev is drunk on sake at the G8 meeting in Japan right now! And of course the Russian government is disgusting. It is disgusting how it actually does its job and makes sure Russia is NOT a little bitch.

      I bet you are from Latvia or Poland ...

    • 3 years ago
  • Wessagusset_Oracle
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      Wessagusset_Oracle  
    • Wessagusset_Oracle:

      WOAH, WOAH there Emil_G, I'm NOT a BIGOT or a bigoted remark, here's the definition for you:

      stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

      >>> I'm not questioning any beliefs, creeds, or opinion, I'm questioning "their" arrogance, nosiness, manners even, and ignorance. There is nothing worse then using the WRONG big word to point out a point, a word that everyone things they know, but not everyone does, it dilutes real conversation. Makes one not look so good, no offense, one love.

      I DIDN'T MODIFY ANYTHING, one of CURRENT'S ANTI-FREE SPEECH AGENTS altered my entry, but he's a good man, just doing his job, just like the Saudi Religious Police. =)

      Yes Emil_G, I am from next door. Russia has great culture, beautiful women, and a roller coaster history. It's crazy that Stalin killed 20 million of his people or so.

      I'm no scholar in Russian, but they (government/culture - not all people of course) ARE arrogant, feel entitled, nosy, controlling, corrupt, and ATTENTION WHORES!

      They are paranoid obviously, scared of a DEFENSIVE missle shield. They should clean house before they try to clean anyone else's. Abusing opposition political parties and people. Cronyism at its finest.

      And just like the brain washed citizens of U.S. of A who elected and agree with Bush, too many citizen puppets side with the trickery, corruption, and shenanigans of the Russian government. That's why I call America "Russia Light".

      Cheerz!

    • 3 years ago
  • Emil_G
  • sgwhites
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      sgwhites  
    • Wessagusset_Oracle:

      Hi all--I just wanted to clarify our policy on editing flagged comments. Previously, our tools were much more rigid, and our only options were to delete or edit offending comments. If a comment appeared to be in need of clarification, we would make a minor edit to avoid deleting the entire response.

      However this is no longer the case, as we now have the tools that allow us hide a comment while allowing the user a chance to edit if they wish. Unfortunately, these tools are very new (As of last week!) and this comment slipped through the cracks.

      Sorry for any confusion that this has caused.

      Best
      Steph
      Online Community Team

    • 3 years ago
  • petarro
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      petarro  
    • I live in Prague and 70% of the people here hate the Radar and don't want it. While I think the Radar is "just a Radar" and is actually a security system that could be good for Europe, it looks like "following Americas" words is just enough to discourage Czech's to OK the radar.

      I do believe this is not at all pointed to Russia but the Middle East. Russia thinks it's so important that even think thae Missile system is against them... How Egocentric... :-)

      Anyway, there should be a referendum and then the Czech Citizens will vote off the Radar.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
  • raiden77
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • So you think someone shouldn't be punished for past wrongs in the future?

      You should remember that when you want to dictate who should be punished for wrongs in America.

      I don't care that Russia is having issue with someone doing something similar to what they've done. You can tell me that it's wrong to do it but it doesn't matter. Because if someone nuked America and America got pissy because of it, I'd say the exact same thing.

      You pay, as we all do, for your father's sins no matter no matter if you did them or not. Just like you pay for his unpaid taxes. Governments pay for their past sins no matter if they were part of the government then or not.

      It's not about fair, because, as we know, this world isn't based on fair and just. It's a matter of what is and what isn't. And what Russia is-is someone that is just as big a bully as America is. They are no better than who they complain about. The amount of sorry or sympathy I have for them is nil.

      The same for what I feel if America if they received similar treatment for past wrongs.

      You (the government in this case) reap what you sow and whether or not you sowed them, if you are there to reap, you get what you got.

      I understand what you're stating, but it's not reality, it's justices and this world isn't remotely based on that line of thinking.

    • 3 years ago
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • J_Jammer:

      So that justifies the Bush administration's aggression against yet another country? Payback for the Cuban Missile Crisis? JJ, you can't possibly be arguing this and expect to be taken seriously. They have a right to defend their interests just like any other country does. Your views are very one sided, especially if you can't see the irony of condemning Russia for past wrongs, but are completely ignorant of the ones committed by our own country. If your a student of history, you would realize we have no room to judge another country.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • J_Jammer:

      Haha, whoa there Judge Dredd, let's slow down for a minute and take a look at this ridiculous sense of justice you have.

      I'm glad you're consistent with your America being nuked claim, but it's kind of silly to say that the world isn't fair and then in the same post claim that you're responsible for the sins of every human being associated with your nation. Kind of a contradiction there. Which is it? If the world is unfair, then you can do whatever you want and it doesn't matter what you or your ancestors have done prior to that. If it is fair, than that's unacceptable.

      You claim I'm not talking about reality here, but in fact you're the one being completely unrealistic. Russia has a right to object to things that affect it, postively or negatively, regardless of its vices and virtues and regardless of whether or not it's in the right or the wrong. Your philosophy about "past-sins carry over" doesn't have any affect on reality.

      Now, in this case it happens to be that Russia is in the right. That's irrelevant to its actual decision, but if we're debating about whether or not what Russia is doing is justified, then it is relevant.

      Also, you might wanna reread what I said about the history of the Cuban Missle Crisis. Because even if you choose to ignore reason, (like you usually do) by your own logic Russia does not deserve this.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Except that we had moved missles into Turkey before they even thought to put them into Cuba, a spot from which every major city in Russia could have been hit by a nuclear missile. By the wy, the Cuban missle crisis was provoked by the Bay Of Pigs incident. Where's your rationalization now?

      Not that it matters at all because you are saying that it's ok for the U.S. to act like the Soviet Union did back in the 60's.

      It's ok J_Jammer, sometimes your country does stupid things and it doesn't make you or anyone else in this country a bad person. Nor does it make the nation bad or its government bad. You don't have to rationalize every shitty action the U.S. takes as if it affects our "righteousness." Sometimes we do things that are stupid and wrong and that's the end of the discussion.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • Saladin:

      Oh hell no. I know America does wrong.

      Look at our borders. Like a swinging door. Look at the IRS. They are like a mob. Look at congress they can't get anything right nor can they spend money appropriately. If they were a person they'd have the worst ability to handle money than anyone in history.

      My statement was that Russia has a lot of nerve to complain about someone doing something like they did as if they've never seen such a move before. They act like they're innocent of any kind of wrong doing in anything that they ever do and I'm sure that's how the US comes off too, it doesn't make it right no matter who pretends they are so pristine in action.

      It's just funny that Russia is pissed that something from their own historical play book is coming back to haunt them.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      Well first off, they're not the same people, so that's kind of stupid. They're not Soviets, they didn't do that any more than you nuked Japan. You can't blame someone for something they didn't have any part in.

      Second, just because you have commited wrongs in the past doesn't somehow mean that you now deserve wrong in the future. If someone is doing something wrong to you, it's wrong, irrespective of what actions your country did or does participate in. It's not that different from saying that America can't complain if China invades it, after all it did invade Iraq. It doesn't make sense and it's silly.

      They're not acting innocent or overreacting for that matter, they're reacting exactly how we would react if someone like China decided to put something like that in Mexico. It takes no nerve to do that. No modern industrial nation, especially an ally, deserves to be treated that way.

      Even that aside, I already told you that the Cuban missle crisis was provoked by Turkish missles on the Russian side and The Bay of Pigs incident on the Cuban side. So it's not like Russia has "anything coming back to haunt them;" especially since, like I mentioned earlier, there's an entirely different government running the show.

    • 3 years ago
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