Community | July 10, 2008 | 21 comments

Exclusive: we publish the biofuels report they didn't want you to read

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The implication of the report is that crop-derived fuels have been the ultimate cause of food riots, starvation and high prices around the world
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21 comments // Exclusive: we publish the biofuels report they didn't want you to read

  • steev
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      steev  
    • Quite apart from whether they reduce food supplies the other problem is if biofuels even do what's right for the environment. While they do help to wean us from dependence on foreign oil, biofuels are not neccesarily the answer to global climate change unless we're very careful about it. Studies have shown that much biofuel production contributes as much or more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere as fossil fuels.

      For instance, a study conducted at the University of Minnesota found that:

      ...converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce food-based biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more CO2 than the annual greenhouse gas (GHG) reductions these biofuels provide by displacing fossil fuels.

      (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuels#Carbon_emissions )

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • steev:

      Steve---use your noodle. In order to produce sugar, plants take in water and CO2, and combine them in the presence of sunlight and chlorophyll to produce sugars. This is the basis of life on earth. When fuels made from plants is burned, the CO2 is released back into the atmospere it was first taken out of. Net greenhouse gas gained = 0.

      The studies and arguements that say using biofuels produce greenhouse CO2 are false. Using carbon dug or pumped out of the ground as fossil fuels produce greenhouse CO2. Not using biofuels. Using fossil fuels to make biofuels prodduces greenhouse gas?---then don't use fossil fuel to produce biofuel, use biofuels. Using fertilizer made with fossil fuels produce greenhouse CO2?---then don't use fertilizer made with fossil fuel.

      Carbon has weight. The weight of the carbon used for fertizer and to run machinery does not equal anywhere NEAR 17-420 times the weight of the crop produced. That statement is plain stupid. If it were that inefficient, nobody would grow any crops at all. It would cost way too much.

    • 3 years ago
  • Heatherzdad
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      Heatherzdad  
    • It is not enough to just produce renewable fuels; we must control our consumption and change our habits as well as the types of vehicles we drive and the way we live.

      Energy efficiency has to be a large part of the picture, as well as the use of cogeneration to produce power more efficiently. The average diesel power generation plant runs at about 35% efficiency, which means that most of the energy used is wasted on excess heat.
      Cogeneration reclaims that heat and uses it to provide
      hot water for heating buildings, ammonia chillers or for secondary generation of electricity. That brings up the efficiency to about 85%.

      Ethanol is basically "moonshine" which is used as fuel for internal combustion engines. Moonshine can be made from many different sources and we can use woody waste materials to create heat and pressure or bacteria will do the job, but probably not fast enough to feed our insatiable demands for fuel.

      KL Process Design Group has the first cellulosic ethanol plant in operation in the US which uses a proprietary process to produce ethanol from woody materials. They are making about 1.5 million gallons per year at this point.

      This is not science fiction, folks. It is happening right now.

      So quit arguing, and start building some stills right now! Just don't drink any cellulosic ethanol as it will kill you.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • Heatherzdad:

      Thanks HD--I didn't know about the KL plant. They are using an enzyme process. There are also other processes, including chemical, used as far back as the 1890's in the US and Germany to produce commercial ethanol. The Volstead Act(prohibition) brought ethanol production from wood waste in the US in 1920, but it continued in Germany.

      Fischer-Tropsch process uses thermal energy, it was developed in 1924. This is the process that Germany used to fuel their entire economy with during WW2 after critical oil supplies were lost to the Allies when Rommel was defeated in North Africa.

    • 3 years ago
  • damnneargenius
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • There is a company that already has a home distilling machine that produces ethanol from industrial sugar sources. It was unclear if the final product pumped out was E-85 or ethanol, however, even ethanol would not be difficult for a homeowner to process into E-85.
      The machinery would not be too different than a breadmaker(although simpler---breadmaking is an art)--it utilizes the same yeast as is used in making bread rise.

      At $10,000 per unit, probably too pricey for an individual household, however, maybe not too expensive for a small group or community to produce their own ethanol.

      For this reason, biofuels are non-monopolistic. Geographic and geologic distribution, complex and expensive drilling and refining make petroleum monopolistic by nature. Monopolies are generally not good for consumers----as we are finding out all over again right now. 100 years after Teddy Roosevelt had to break up the monopolies because of the economic damages and abuses they caused. 100 years later people have forgotten thier own history, and we sure could use TR and his Big Stick again right now.

    • 3 years ago
  • unphiltered
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      unphiltered  
    • I would have to be next to second HEMP. It's what Rudolph Diesel and Henry Ford designed their biofuel burning engines to run off of. Big business and private interest changed that though.

      There are vast amounts of resources other than food to produce fuel, especially from recyclable waste. We should be using all of these means (and hemp I will add again, as you can get almost 5x biodiesel per/acre than current biodiesel crops), to curb our foreign dependency on oil..... but the real question is when will auto companies get on board and produce engines to run stilled ethanol that your average consumer can distill and produce at home? And would the BATF/Gov. be on board since the government wouldn't be subsidizing or taxing all of it?

    • 3 years ago
  • Becky6378
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      Becky6378  
    • Shhh...don't publicize this! Only the poorest people who will never contribute anything to society will die of starvation, along with the other worthless mammles factory-farmed for food who are fed most of the grain in the world. C'mon people, it's 'survival of the fittest'!

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • steev
  • shadowtrekker
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      shadowtrekker  
    • Biodiesel is a sustainable fuel that can be produced from non-food crops, food crops and waste sources such as used restaurant grease. Even with biodiesel made from soybean oil more than 80 percent of each soybean is still used for animal feed or food. Biodiesel's effect on the food supply is minimal, and to claim otherwise is nothing short of intellectually dishonest. Less than five percent of the world's soybeans are used for U.S. biodiesel production.

    • 3 years ago
  • shroomfairy
  • shadowtrekker
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      shadowtrekker  
    • I use over 36,000 gallons of biodiesel every year with my trucking company which is powered solely on 100% BioDiesel. We process it from from recycled cooking oil. No one is eating vegi oil either because it's already been used to cook their food. So obviously no harm there.

      I don't think anyone has a problem with the way we get our fuel and I don't think any one should have a problem with using virgin sources either. (that's another story) Now that algae,cellulose etc.. technology is approaching there is really no room for argument.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • You are right Ayahuasca.

      I've seen that mentioned before on other forums.

      The Guardian is a well known tabloid in the UK. It is an odd mix of lurid headlines, and playing loose with the facts---and whatever will fit readers preconcieved notions or ideas, and a cheesecake girlie photo section.

      Sort of a cross between the old National Enquirer and Penthouse, with a little Playgirl thrown in for the ladies.

    • 3 years ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Ayahuasca2012
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      Ayahuasca2012  
    • "They" don't want people to know that biofuel can be made from sources other than food. The whole point of that "supposedly leaked" article was to turn people against biofuel before it really got a start.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • Biodiesel is being made from salt water algae right now in Rio Hondo TX. 4.4 million gallons/year--that is used directly in current diesel engines.

      Spain produces 750 million liters/year of ethanol from cellulose right now, and plans to double production in 2-3 years.

      A plant is under construction right now in Soperton GA that will produce 100 million gallons/year of ethanol from logging and millwork wood waste.

      I don't know too many people who eat salt water algae and wood.

    • 3 years ago
  • Heatherzdad
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      Heatherzdad  
    • Wetdog:

      Speak for yourself, buddy.

      Algae tastes delicious but it turns my teeth green.

      Sawdust gives me all the fiber I need every day.

      How about making running a Stirling Engine on the hot air that comes from politicians around the world?

    • 3 years ago
  • Wetdog
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      Wetdog  
    • Wetdog:

      LOL, we tried the sterling engine, trouble was there was so much hot air the engine went out of control and exploded.

      We tried putting a govenor on one to keep it from going out of control.

      Unfortunately, the govenor we used was from Texas and kept stealing all the oil out of the engine. The engine siezed up and we haven't been able to do a thing with it since.

    • 3 years ago
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