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McCain adviser: America is a "nation of whiners"

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In an interview with the Washington Times, the McCain economic adviser downplayed the economy, despite it having been the top issue of concern to voters in public polling for months. Phil Gramm goes so far as to call the economy a "mental recession," says that "We have sort of become a nation of whiners" and blames much of the hand-wringing on the media.

'We have sort of become a nation of whiners,' he said. 'You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline' despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.

'We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today,' he said. 'We have benefited greatly' from the glottalization of the economy in the last 30 years.'

With the housing foreclosure crisis, a slowed housing market, decreased retail spending, rising gas and food prices and a declining stock market, Americans in many parts of the country have hit a tipping point and in most other parts are close to one.
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60 comments // McCain adviser: America is a "nation of whiners"

  • Chique
  • pissedoffinarkansas
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      pissedoffinarkansas  
    • decarson

      Let's remember these comments this week when the gov. starts bailing out Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac along with whatever other corporations and big financial institutions come pigging up to the trough for us to save them from their own corruption and greed.

    • 3 years ago
  • decarson
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      decarson  
    • Tomofnorthcal: Definition time. Whiner = someone who sits on his or her lazy ass and does nothing expecting the government to give him or her everything, including half or more of *YOUR* hard earned money.

      Now, if you want to spin that to include someone who doesn't agree with Gramm's comments, then you're grossly ignorant because I don't agree with Gramm on a lot of things, but I certainly don't sit around and piss and whine and moan wanting the government to bail me out because I'm lazy.

      Most whiners are liberals because they think the government owes them everything. REALITY CHECK: the government doesn't owe anybody anything other than what is in the Constitution!

    • 3 years ago
  • stupidtexan
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      stupidtexan  
    • decarson:

      Liberals are the whiners decarson I think that u might need a little cheese with your whine.Indymac bank ? The goverment is bailing them out at taxpayers cost. Why because of the fat cats loaning money for mortgages with showing little proof or any proof of income because when the housing market was booming they knew if these people didnt make their mortgage payment the bank would take over and resale their property thus making a profit. Countrywide fat cats made their millons on deceptive loans and yet again another bail out.Bush refuses to cut big oil companies tax breaks but year after year they have record breaking profits.Why because they are the whiners.

    • 3 years ago
  • henrydgaskins
  • tomofnorthcal
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      tomofnorthcal  
    • PG "We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. Remember this is right-wing speak, so let's dissect this. nation of whiners = anyone who disagrees with right-wing philosophy. Basically, if anyone has a legitimate complaint, call them a derogatory name to belittle their reality.

    • 3 years ago
  • Symbolic
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      Symbolic  
    • Is America a nation of whiners? Yes I can agree to some point we are. Many Americans expect others to do the dirty work for them. They'll whine about getting their hands and feet dirty over everything. True!

      BUT... in the face of a recession, do we really need an adviser(or presidential candidate for that matter) who is going to lower moral? A president's real job is the lift the spirits of this country.

    • 3 years ago
  • PoisonTheMonkey
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      PoisonTheMonkey  
    • This is funny. Obama referred to people in America being bitter, McCain calls us whiners, and McCain doesn't get torn apart for it?

      Do we really want a president who sees complaints as 'whining'??

    • 3 years ago
  • clayjj05
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      clayjj05 [removed]  
    • LOL Graham was probably reading current to come to that conclusion. All you people do is whine about EVERYTHING!
      America hasnt been in a real recession since the late 70's and most of us (most of us not all, i know some of you old farts learned how to use a computer and blog) were to young to remember it. Get over it, the economy goes in cycles. I know most of you want america to crumble becuase were so evil, but the economy will come back and be better than ever.

      Late 70's 12% unemployment, today around 5% everything is going to be ok. Take a breath

    • 3 years ago
  • decarson
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      decarson  
    • Hey, POedinARK: I didn't say Gramm was completely right, I said he is right to a point. I agree with you that he's a little off (okay that's like saying the Titanic only had a little scratch) in some of his facts, but his point that America is a nation of whiners is a lot more accurate than you'd think. Americans do sit around and whine, they bring problems upon themselves and then they demand that the government bail them out.

      It's called PER-SON-AL RE-SPONS-ABILITY. No one want to be responsible for their own problems anymore. They want to shun responsibility and pawn it off on someone else. The problem is that the someone else is YOU and ME! Don't you have enough problems of your own that you really don't need to take on some moron who can't mange his own finances or a woman who can't keep her knees together? I know I do. I would love for someone else to pay my mortgage and my bills and put gas in my car, but that isn't the way it's supposed to be. It's my signature at the bottom of the mortgage and the utility bills and the car loan. That makes it my responsibility to pay those bills. So I go to work and work my butt off only to have a whiny liberal government come along and tell me I have to give them 35% of my hard earned money so it can be given to that financially irresponsible moron who bought a house he can't afford or that self-loathing twit with six kids from five different men who just can't seem to keep her knees together. And I'm supposed to be compassionate toward that? It makes me resentful! I pisses me off that not only am I supporting my own family (and having a hard enough time doing that) but then I have to support some stupid schmuck who can't manage himself? That's what churches are for. It's the church's job to care for the poor, not the government. I'd rather give my 35% to a church because there won't be some dumbass bureaucrat taking 17.5% of my 35% as his salary! More poor could be helped if the government would get out of that business and let the churches do their job without stupid regulations from a do-nothing-but-throw-money-away government.

    • 3 years ago
  • pissedoffinarkansas
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      pissedoffinarkansas  
    • Phill Gramm. You remember him don't you? Didn't him and Jesse Helms used to agree on alot of issues? Things that make you go Hmmm??

      But to the story. An EXPORT BOOM? Haven't we been suffering from a trade deficet for years now? Things that make you go Hmmmm??

    • 3 years ago
  • stupidtexan
  • decarson
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      decarson  
    • Gramm is right -- to a point. America is full of whiners. They're all left-wing liberals and all they can do is sit on their lazy butts and whine about how the government owes them this and the government owes them that. They whine because nobody's doing anything to solve the oil problem They whine because nobody's trying to fix the economy. They whine because nobody's trying to give them a better income.

      Americans are whiners. They sit around on their lazy butts all day watching "Doprah Whine-frey" on TV and wait for the government to do something about their financial situation.

      How about Americans get off their lazy butts and start DOING something about the problems! If you don't like the way Congress is run, then get your lazy butt out and vote out the incumbents (that's a fancy word meaning "the bums already in there" to you government-educated folks). If you're mired in too much debt -- STOP SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH MONEY! Learn to live with less. If you're facing foreclosure on your house, negotiate a short sale and get the hell out of there because between the two, a short sale is less damaging to your credit report than a foreclosure.

      Start taking responsibility for your own problems. Sure you can't control everything in your life, but you can control how you react to what you can't control. Stop waiting for the government to bail you out 'cause it ain't gonna happen!

      Get off your couch, turn off the TV and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE! Quit your bellyaching. That's what America is about; making your own life better, not waiting for a worthless government agency to give you a handout.

    • 3 years ago
  • stupidtexan
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      stupidtexan  
    • decarson:

      Sounds like u are the one bellyaching. I pay my mortgage have an ira and I am not in debt. Tell the familys with small children with catastophic illness when their insurance has been used up and the schip bill president Bush vetoed could have saved their life. The bill just passed in congress that would stop medicare cuts and give the elderly back its wheel chairs, President Bush tried to veto.The people who are elderly paid into the funding for medicare with the promise of getting that money back when they got old? Well if these are the whiners you are talking about u are stone cold.

    • 3 years ago
  • KefKef
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      KefKef  
    • We do whine alot, don't we? We fight and whine over "Marry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays." We whine alot about animals being killed and not be saved. And when we save them, no one takes them and then they get killed. We are a country with the attitude to not to "deal with it."

    • 3 years ago
  • PatBoberg
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      PatBoberg  
    • Too much focus goes to people of zero consequence. Now we get to be inundated with comments on what credence do we give to Jesse jackson's comments as a view of the black people, and does McCain's policy look at the U.S. population as foolish and whiny.

      Someone should keep a tally of coverage to platforms and plans vs. the punditry and outside commentary.

    • 3 years ago
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • Right-wing excuses for just about everything:

      - Its not what it looks like.

      - Get over it, crybabies.

      - There are facts you just don't know ...and we can't tell you.

      - The press has created a skewed impression.

      - ...but its about to get better!

      - a negative comment on this means you hate America.

      - the experts don't know what they're talking about.

      - Lets set up an investigation (and stack it with right-wing ideologues)

    • 3 years ago
  • stupidtexan
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      stupidtexan  
    • If Mcain has picked this man as an advisor they must think alike distance himself? I dont think so. Mcain is a war monger republican. He cant speak for the people. Supports cuts for lower income and elderly ecspecally cuts in medicare. He wants to keep Bush tax cuts the same for the rich and larger tax breaks for big bussiness. I am sorry Reagan trickle down therory proved to fail. If u r rich this is the man to vote 4

    • 3 years ago
  • unreal1one
  • jjmaster
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      jjmaster  
    • We had better do more than whine when our deficit indicates that we our owned by other countries and not ourselves! They have sold us up the polluted river!

    • 3 years ago
  • TerryA
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      TerryA  
    • I guess if my wife was worth a gazillion dollars, I would also consider anyone and everyone who is complaining they are loosing their homes, or unable to feed their family, or who lost their jobs due to the construction industry lay offs, or even having your job outsourced to some third world country a group of whiners.

      It really doesn't matter if the comment was taken out of context, and it is the leaders that are a bunch of whiners, the fact still remains that "EVERYONE" either in office, or running for office are completely out of touch with what is actually going on with the majority of Americans.

    • 3 years ago
  • Enjoy_Cannabis
  • Symbolic
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      Symbolic  
    • Mr. McCain, I advise you to get a new advisor. Your approval ratings from the youth mirror the temperature levels of the antarctic.

    • 3 years ago
  • privateibber
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      privateibber  
    • These people have no feelings for anyone. I don't know why it comes as a surprise to anyone. Can they sleep at night? Very well. They are bitten lipped old meanies is all. If all you can invoke every six seconds is the name of Ronnie Reagan--you got nothing going on. A man who put the mentally ill out on the streets and ended worker's rights of any kind. They would have a Dickensian world with poor houses, debtor's prisons, snake pit type asylums and brutal orphanages. all Faith based of course. Private Ibber

    • 3 years ago
  • TerryA
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      TerryA  
    • privateibber:

      I agree with everything you have said. Unfortunately you are just one voice. Even with my voice joining yours, I am afraid we are too little ,too late. I remember the Regan era, and having lived through the Bush era, I will hate to see the McCain era who takes the worst of both and creates a nightmare for this country of his own.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ayahuasca2012
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      Ayahuasca2012  
    • QQ MOAR You crotchety old bastards!

      You're never getting into office... so hop on your motorized scooter, drink some Ensure and while you are at it learn to use a computer.

      But seriously, we may whine, but it's usually only about people like McSame infringing upon our rights and robbing us of our hard earned money and things like that.

    • 3 years ago
  • flyingkick
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      flyingkick  
    • I guess he considers the leaders of the civil rights movement 'whiners' as well? Nothing would change in this country if people weren't critical of the government. That you can change it, is what makes America so great.

    • 3 years ago
  • tagz
  • cerealforeal
  • Marilynn_Murray
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      Marilynn_Murray  
    • They won't be satisfied until we reach third world status. Did someone sneak into a nursing home and take that picture, or is that the actual candidate and advisor?

    • 3 years ago
  • CroatianPimp
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      CroatianPimp  
    • AMERICA IS A BUNCH OF WHINERS BUT MCCAIN WOULD JUST BE THE WORST PRESIDENT IF ELECTED IMA A OBAMA FAN BUT AMERICA COMPLAINS OVER LILTTLE THINGS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE IT WORSE THEN THEM

    • 3 years ago
  • RonenA
  • mrburns
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      mrburns  
    • The proof is in the pudding, just read the posts from most of you tiddy babies. Just go ahead and pony up you know you're still latched onto your mamma voyager

      God bless america
      God bless big oil

    • 3 years ago
  • PoliticalGeek
  • Dmitri_Molotov
  • sforte
  • damnneargenius
  • damnneargenius
  • tldiaz99
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • Another lunatic fringe far rigtht senile old man living in a glass bubble. Another good example of the reason McBush must be kept out of office. Put these senile old people in a rest home and let people who are aware of thier surroundings and circumstances and the conditions of the world deal with it. They should have an island for the top 2% of the people in America(politicians) to live on and leave America alone. They have stolen all our money now they want to steal our lives and control our moves as well. All that money makes control f-------n freaks.

    • 3 years ago
  • malathion
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      malathion  
    • we could have a booming economy un-paralleled in human history - we could , every one of us , be billionaires - and all it would take is a McCain to decide that launching a few missiles into russia was a good display of america's strength , the whiners be damned , and we'd all soon be extinct.

    • 3 years ago
  • mooseydoom
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      mooseydoom  
    • How about an Opinion rather than bickering.

      I feel that the problem with america today is the ME generation. I hate to say it, but I'm a member of that generation. We're all so damn ready to "Get Rich" that we keep selling ourselves to the world.

      I agree in a global market place, But where do you draw the line? People need to live, Without money in america you have nothing. Welcome to my reality

    • 3 years ago
  • menmykoko
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      menmykoko  
    • The gall that these old men have is just incredible. It's a spit in the face to all americans to say americans are whining when all we want is liberty which is being taken away by our own government, honesty which is absent from our leaders, jobs which are being exported, safety which our infrastructure is falling apart, reasonably priced daily living expenses which are skyrocketing, and healthcare which isn't even provided by our government. It is an example of the disconnect from the people in power and office from the people who do the work in this country. Sociopathy at it's finest hour!!!! (Glibness, lack of empathy, manipulative, grandiose sense of self, etc).

    • 3 years ago
  • VoyagerFilms
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      VoyagerFilms  
    • Ya, they'll get lot's of votes!

      Actually, what he is saying is true for he and his friends, the tiny percentage of Americans - but for the vast majority of Americans life is harder, income is down and costs are up.

      Talk about elitist pigs!

      Let's not forget the Ripusoffican's investments in Iran.

    • 3 years ago
  • christopherwalls
  • tldiaz99
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      tldiaz99  
    • The beauty of economics is that it is the study of how people make choices; all choices being psychological. Unfortunately, McCain and Gramm cannot tell the difference between psychological fabrications and psychological reactions to reality.

    • 3 years ago
  • PoliticalGeek
  • DJMatt2
  • merasyad
  • onechance
  • onechance
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • Actually the quote was taken out of context. The McCain adviser said that political leaders are the whiners, not the people hit hardest by the economy, that they whine about it but do nothing to fix it. He said that the leaders suffer from mental recession and are actually making things worse. He said he felt sorry by the people effected by the economy, because the political leaders aren't doing enough to help them.

      Way to spin the story. I don't like McCain, but at least get the facts straight.

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
  • nodonjuan
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      nodonjuan  
    • orionblastar:

      He and his Enron wife care nothing about any down turn in the economy. He has his, so screw everyone else. It was not taken out of context, he is a giant Texas slug that really thinks that way.

    • 3 years ago
  • stupidtexan
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      stupidtexan  
    • orionblastar:

      U r stupid this was not taken out of context Mcain does not feel a thing about the poor, elderly and the rapidly fading middle class I guess u r rich more tax breaks for the rich big buissness cuts in social security and the elderly using medicare. I guess u dont watch the news if u do you must not have capability to comprehend it.

    • 3 years ago
  • unreal1one
  • poche
  • stupidtexan
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      stupidtexan  
    • orionblastar:

      Mccain doesnt not feel for the average american. The only pain he feels is his wallet getting bigger from paybacks from theoil companies in his already rich wallet over strechting his polyester pants.
      .

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • menmykoko
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