Woman wakes from surgery to find panty-line tattoo
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Elizabeth Mateo, of Camden County, N.J., filed her lawsuit Tuesday saying she found "a temporary tattoo of a red rose" below her panty line the morning after her surgery for a herniated disc, her attorney, Gregg A. Shivers, told the Philadelphia Inquirer.
"She was extremely emotionally upset by it," Shivers told the paper.
Her surgeon, Steven Kirshner, does not deny he placed a tattoo on Mateo. His lawyer, Robert Agre, told the Inquirer that the doctor has left washable marks on patients before to improve their spirits as they heal.
"What's offensive about this complaint is that it suggests something he did was intended to be prurient, and nothing could be further from the truth," Agre told the paper. "It was intended just to make the patient feel better."
Mateo is seeking punitive and compensatory damages."
What do you think- is this doctor a weirdo creep or is the woman going overboard?
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aerione
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hey, worse than this do happen ... i know a friend of mine who was operated on for appendicitis by a lady doctor ... n to his surprise he found a tatoo ( a heart) on his most private part ... the tatoo was too dense same as when you make a drawing on a blown baloon and then deflate it ...
- 3 years ago
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aerione
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GeneralPatton
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haha if he really did it to cheer her up he is backwards to put it there :P
- 3 years ago
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GeneralPatton
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MeganMcKenzie
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Remove his license and convict him as a sex offender.
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MeganMcKenzie
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finkebee
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this is absolutely pathetic. Sueing a doctor for a legit medical reason is one thing, but sueing one for a washable tattoo? it just shows how sad society today is
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finkebee
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TheScribe
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Absolutely a violation. This man should lose his license.
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TheScribe
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cdltnla
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Initially I want to ask, "Was their anyone assisting him with the surgery? Were they present when he applied it?" I guess that may make you feel a bit better. But then I think, there are lots of freaks that find each other out there. To say, "Oh this is no big deal" is not right at all. You are not thinking about it.
He could've been playing with her deal before he left his mark with that tat. What a complete loser to do this. What was he thinking?!
I mean, sh-- the last thing you wanna do is leave evidence of your freakiness! - 3 years ago
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cdltnla
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EddieStarr
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Definately Creepy
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EddieStarr
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clayjj05 [removed]
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She had back surgery im sure her ass was exposed. He probably wasnt meaning to do anything wrong, and probably is shocked by all the reaction this has got.
- 3 years ago
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clayjj05 [removed]
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kbrooks
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wow that's some creepy s**t.
I would feel so violated if I found anything on my private parts after waking up from surgery!
It's surgery, not freaking waking up after a night of drinking uncontrollably and finding a tattoo on your vag! - 3 years ago
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kbrooks
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Dr_Dank_Thumb
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it only takes one hand to put on a temp tattoo... i wonder where his other one was.. and oh yea, i woulda done it to.
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Dr_Dank_Thumb
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bekah_1984
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I could completely understand this if the tattoo was placed just about anywhere else but there. If it was on her arm, or her hand, that would be ok. But below her panty line? Now that's getting a little too personal and perverse for me to accept.
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bekah_1984
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AlinaJette
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I really hope this woman doesn't have further back problems, or any health problems for that matter, because there isn't a doctor in this country that would accept her as a patient now.
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AlinaJette
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sgwhites
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Wow, I can't believe how many people are suggesting that this woman is overreacting. This isn't about the fact that it's just temporary, and she can remove it.
What's creepy here is that this doctor found it perfectly acceptable to perform a non-medical procedure for which he had NO authorization on a woman who was unconscious.
My body is my body. If I give consent for surgery, I am giving medical staff the right to do the procedure that is necessary. The rest of my body is not open season just because I am injured.
This woman has every right to feel violated--and I hope she wins, and this guy loses his license.
- 3 years ago
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sgwhites
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littlesparrow
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i would be so amused if this happened to me... it is creepy. but srsly, creepy people are funny when not taken srsly.
i'd be like, "aw doc, thanks... like the latex gloves, sterile room, fluorescent lights, and linoleum floor didn't make me feel any less vulnerable about getting surgery.. you had to do something creepy and jovial like giving me a temp tattoo of a pretty rose. you sure know how to send your patients home satisfied!"and then i'd tell all my friends how punk rock and suave my doctor is for giving me a temp tattoo on my panty line.
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littlesparrow
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clayjj05 [removed]
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You guys are nuts. He was just trying to make her feel better.
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clayjj05 [removed]
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shun21
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I might think of it as innocent if he had placed it on her arm but, to put it on her panty-line is just weird.
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shun21
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KCKate
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The fact that it was on her panty line makes the whole thing creepy.... but im sure the doctor meant well ???
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KCKate
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kewal91
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this is the kind of thing u let go... i mean u got a tatoo.. get mad at him... maybe swear at him if u need to... and be done... i mean it washes off
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THEREisHOPE
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If there is anything "new" under my panty line and I didn't put it there - I'd freak and be amazingly angry!
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Mafioso
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The surgeon said he's done it before? How is it she (the patient) knew nothing of the surgeon who was going to be performing a surgical procedure on her.
Tattoos? What if 10% of his patients have died under his care? Or what if he had issues with malpractice suits?
Even the poorest people who depend on the government for healthcare (yes our shitty government healthcare system) can choose from at least two doctors or the surgeons who are on hand.
I would need to know the complete circumstances, such as if this were an emergency procedure that required the first available surgeon to perform the procedure, then maybe she has a leg to stand on for suing.
However, if she knew who would be doing the surgical procedure, she should have known from asking about the surgeon's background that he had done this before and could have chosen to go with someone else for the operation or asked he not leave a temporary tattoo on her.
Most people don't even think about asking about a surgeon's background. They just assume they (the surgeons) will do their job properly or to their (the patient's) liking or satisfaction.
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Mafioso
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nata0204
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eewww thats just creepy
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nata0204
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Elligirl
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It seems like he didn't mean it sexually at all. Why not interview previous patients and ask what their tattoos were and if they were appreciated?
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Elligirl
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haldir
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If he really meant to make his patients feel good, why not just give them a card or a smiley face sticker? A tattoo in her nether regions smacks of sexual harassment. He should be investigated by the medical board.
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haldir
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This_Is_Not_My_Name
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It feels like the woman may be going overboard - just a tattoo, and one that comes off at that! - but with where it was, I don't think I'd want anybody playing around there...
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krag2112
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Creepy. And the reason sounds fishy to me. I bet there is more to this story.
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krag2112
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brad62
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She's just looking for money
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brad62
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Soap
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brad62:
100% truth. "Mateo is seeking punitive and compensatory damages." Sue happy Americans looking for every chance to take money from someone. This lady sucks.
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Mark701
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The woman is drama queen. All she has to do is wash the damn thing off. However, the surgeon should have known better because not all people react well to having something (even harmless) done to them without their permission.
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Mark701
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TouchArt
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This non-story made it to current tv?
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TouchArt
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TouchArt:
Is it really such a non-story? I feel like a lot of people have focused on the irrelevant details but to me there is a very feminist undertone here. I'm outraged that someone felt it was okay to perform a non-medical procedure on a woman who was unconscious--and that so many people are claiming that she's the one with the problem!
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sgwhites
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TouchArt:
I agree. This isn't a non-story. In fact what is a non-story? I've seen this criticism popping up a lot on current. Who's to say what is or isn't newsworthy? If you don't like it, or find it interesting, don't read it...much less post a comment.
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DeliaTheArtist
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TouchArt:
Thank you guys, because I don't understand any "this isn't news" comments on anyone's stories (unless it's a personal post or something like that.) Current is all about the type of news WE want to see- the only reason this story got on TV is because people were interested in it- I post like a fiend and I can never predict what might get popular. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it "isn't news"
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TouchArt:
Couldn't agree more, everyone is entitled to post whatever they want. The "how did this make it to Current news" and "non-story" comments, or "why aren't we talking about . . ." posts come off as elitist to the person posting.
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Chique
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astonishing
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I do understand the sentiment that the surgeon was just trying to cheer his patient up after a painful surgery, but I think a below the waistline tattoo was inappropriate. He should have perhaps waited until the woman had woken up. But overall if he had no malicious intent, I think it is ridiculous for the woman to sue.
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Neghie
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If he's done it before and has gotten good responses, why would he not do it again? Problem is, some people don't have a sense of humor. Not everyone in the room is gonna find you funny.
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Neghie
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JDM
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what a creep
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JDM
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jenn5
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Surgery is uncomfortable enough, not to mention that you go in there completely naked under a robe and then your knocked out and you have to trust that no one will violate you while you're unconscious. Yea it was just a temp tattoo but it's BELOW THE WAISTLINE, that would definitely make me feel violated and make me wonder what else was done while I was asleep. You can't trust anyone these days...
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magadocious
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Slap some zebra stripe tattoos on, leave the colorful fruity gum in a dish. Who wouldn't crack a smile to that?
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magadocious
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i dont think anyone is touching on the real matter here.
you trust your doctor to save your life but how far can you trust them?
while someone is unconcious you can do pretty much anything you want to them or with them and they wont know it happened. this isnt the first case where a doctor stepped over that line of trust either.
she trusted that doctor and to wake up with something like that well if i were her i would be wondering what else went on while i was knocked out. it seems innocent but that doctor should have known better. he is a professional he has a PH.D for christ sake!! he should be smarter then that
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RoBot_rOcKer:
If she wasn't after money I would almost buy this argument.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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If I were on that jury I'd ask her, "Why so serious?" and deny her any money for the not suffering she suffered.
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rwylie
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"extremely emotionally upset", by a temp tattoo?! I really emplore the judge to see sense here: this woman is too much, upset?? by a temporary tattoo?, this is too much.
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rwylie
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fuhleesha
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There's no need for a lawsuit here. A simple WTF would suffice.
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fuhleesha
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Alanna6
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I worked in surgery for a while and sometimes we would put a smiley face or a heart close to the surgery site when we had finished closing the patient. In surgery, especially orthopedics, there are at least 3 people in the room. I seriously doubt anything "funny" was going on. If the rose was below the panty line, it could have been above the back sacral area close to the lower back where most disc's need repair. No big deal.
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Alanna6
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Brockie
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Alanna6:
That's what I was thinking. If the doctor put it on right after surgery, with a full staff in attendance in the operating room. Then I don't see a problem. But if he snuck in her room in the middle of the night, than that's a different story.
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Brockie
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AlinaJette
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Come to think of it, I am now 'emotionally upset' that this lawsuit will probably raise my health insurance premiums.
If I received money every time someone else made me 'emotionally upset' I would be a millionaire.
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AlinaJette
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This is an abuse of the justice system.
Doctors are people like the rest of us, and just like the rest of us they sometimes make poor judgment calls. I am sure everyone of us has been in a situation where our good intentions have been misinterpreted or accidentally offensive.
If this woman felt as though this action was inappropriate then she has every right to confront the doctor and express that his actions made her feel uncomfortable. She has a right to an explanation and an apology. However, to drag this incident into a courtroom is excessive and ridiculous.
Our society is far too 'sue-happy'. One of the reasons medical care is so expensive in this country is because of the large amount of lawsuits against doctors.
Sounds to me as though she had a successful back surgery but is trying to receive a large amount of money because she was 'emotionally upset'.
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AlinaJette
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AlinaJette:
We are too sue-happy, but sometimes it's the only way to get attention. It sounds like the doctor brushed her complaints off, and if the hospital and others went to did the same, the justice system would be the next step.
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sgwhites
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aditijjoshi
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Weird doc... plus my husband would be rather annoyed..
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DeliaTheArtist
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I think people want and need different things from their doctors. Some people might want the type of relationship where your Doctor would take it upon himself to leave something on your body, but obviously a lot of people don't, seen by the wide range of views here. I think my finace would be annoyed about it if someone did that to me, but he is the jealous type...
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DeliaTheArtist
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piratazephyri
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Big deal. The fact that this story is on the Fox News website makes me think it's already blown out of proportion.
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DeliaTheArtist
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piratazephyri:
It's on a lot of websites, i posted another link as well.
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DeliaTheArtist
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ninja_tiger
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I can not believe all the hot air being wasted over this. My goodness what an uptight, conservative judgemental, condemning bunch of comments. She obviously needed a rose, and needed to remember her body is a rose, and send it some healing and love...i would be overjoyed to hear about any MD having the creativity and caring to put a rose on my body after a traumatic operation.... and I would see a rose as the offering of cheer and healing that it is. Sounds like this woman needs this rose more than even she realizes.
I think the medical establishment should be more creatively and harmlessly involved with their patients recovery....and I would go to a doctor like this in a heart beat....and yes I am in a loving monogamous marriage.
I commend this caring doctor for his actions in the law suit happy society we are forced to endure. Most doctors I have seen in my life are rather stoic, cold, and impersonal....and if this one expresses caring thru harmless decals....so the heck what!
People are so quick to judge others for what they see and are afraid of in themselves. As Jesus says....( and I am not a Catholic so don't go there)....Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
We have so much more worthwhile targets for our judgements, prejudice and wrath....like Bush, Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft....our spineless congress....lets get to our real problems....like the loss of our freedoms of Habeas Corpus, privacy, and too much more to mention.
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I had a plastic surgeon give me a "two-fer" once. Along with the skin graft he did to mend my compound fracture of the lower leg, he removed some moles from my neck! I didn't ask him to, but I was happy they were gone!
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Varex_Sythe
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I'm not sure I see the big deal about this...
It is a fake tattoo. It rubs off with water and a little bit of friction. This is like freaking out because you got drunk, passed out, and woke up with marker on your face. The only difference in this situation is that you are being put under by a professional rather than passing out drunk. So long as the surgeons do a good job and patch you up right, who cares?
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DeliaTheArtist
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In this article, they say it is "on her belly", so the exact location is hard to say-I guess "panty line" is relative...this article also goes into some other people's opinions and a little more info...thanks everyone for helping it get picked for TV!
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DeliaTheArtist:
Yeah the whole "relative" thing is a good point. Maybe she wears those old lady underwear that almost come up to the bottom of her bra.
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Where exactly is this controversial panty line? We're talking about a potentially wide swath given today's endless choices of shapes & sizes-from granny panties to the oh yeah, I forgot to floss this morning style. If the article is accurate stating he’s never rec’d a prior complaint with a great track record & reputation for the care of his patients at the experienced age of 51, maybe she should focus on healing, enjoy the successful surgery & forget about the ambulance chasing lawyer reaching for medical malpractice. She needs to relax-I bet her husband loves it.
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I've heard surgeons doing worse. One surgeon branded the initials of the university he attended on women's uterus' while they were getting a hysterectomy. At least a temporary tattoo washes off... Ricky84 mentioned that if it was placed on the hand or arm it may have been rubbed off by a nurse placing sensors or IVs in her. Also the "panty line" is ambiguous... my mom's panty line lies above her bellybutton...
I just think she went a little overboard. It could have been MUCH worse... she wasn't physically sexually assaulted. She wasn't permanently deformed from it.
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EverChanging:
So because he didn't rape or brand her, she should shut up and thank him for merely sexually harassing her? Nice.
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EverChanging:
I don't find what he did as sexual harassment... Everything is construed as sexual harassment. Sorry I was just thinking about how I would have reacted in the situation. Personally I have been sexually violated and to me that is not sexual harassment. It’s not when people make a comment about me, or touch my hand or my knee or put a temporary tattoo on me… now the woman may feel completely different than I do and right on… if she feels that she was violated than that is how she feels. All I was trying to say is it could have been much much worse. I much rather have someone put a little rub off tattoo on me than stick their dick in me.
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Well, if it was near where the surgery was, I suppose I wouldn't mind so much. But just randomly on my hip? Aren't there rules about not touching where you're not cutting?
At least it wasn't on her boob.
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bloodsugarmagik
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She may be overreacting. But still.. that's flippin weird.
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damnneargenius
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Maybe next time he'll just stick with a get well card or a lollipop.
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It is common practice for a doctor to mark the side of the body that a surgery is to be performed on to make sure the procedure is being performed on the proper side.
Yes, he should have explained about them temp tattoo before he placed it. No, he isn't creepy or weird.
Should I sue my doctor for drawing a star on my right hip when he did my surgery? It was below my panty line, too....
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vixen0078:
Drawing on a patient to make surgical marks is a routine part of the process, but red roses aren't. It makes you think, what else is he doing that isn't part of procedure while your asleep? I know that's a knee jerk reaction, but I can imagine the strange violation this woman felt.
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DeliaTheArtist
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A tatoo of a rose intended to make the patient feel better would be a nice gesture if it was placed in a less private place, lets say in your hands or in your arm.
But below the panty line seems more to please some kind of freak sexual fantasy, especially when the patient is unconscious under anesthetics.
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I don't care WHAT he was thinking -- doing things below the belt while the woman is passed out is NOT okay. OTOH, a lawsuit is rather overblowing the response, imo -- but it may be the only way to get his attention as to how inappropriate his choices have been.
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She WAY overreacted. Its just a temporary tattoo..."oh no! He saw my pantie line!" ummm... he just dug in to your back and screwed with your spine, a temporary tattoo isnt that bad.
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huffamoose2k:
"...he just dug in to your back and screwed with your spine,.."
Thanks for the good laugh
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I’m pretty sure that most surgical operations to repair a herniated disk require the patent to lay on their side and not on the stomach. So if this surgery was anything like my colonoscopy this woman probably would have been nude save a small blanket over her bottom and her chest.
When you think about it like that then its not so weird to assume a doctor would choose to place a tattoo on her panty line since its already exposed. He wouldn’t place a temporary tattoo on the arm or back of the hand because the chances are good that it would be removed by a nurse because of an intravenous drip, blood test and or a host of other sensors.All in all I still feel for this lady. I remember waking up after surgery to the unnerving thought that a cow was licking my testicles. When I opened my eyes I realized a nurse was giving me a sponge bath. I sat frozen in the realization that sponge baths were not a figment of television, that my bits and pieces were exposed and that this woman regarded the boys as something that she was supposed to clean.
Eventually she recognized that I was awake and stopped with a smile to ask if I wanted to finish. I told her no that was ok, and asked if she would hand me my self dosing morphine remote. Instead of suffering another agonizing moment in that situation I opted out via a painkiller coma.
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Ricky84:
Right on mate! I'd have done the very same.
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purplefox
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but it was only temporary... maybe the doctor felt he was being cool and quirky. god they sue for anything these days...
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DeliaTheArtist
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purplefox:
Yeah, he definitely thought he was being cool, but his choice of tattoo and placement is questionable!
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DeliaTheArtist
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mookster_07
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As a doctor you need to know that you can't flirt with inappropriate behavior. It is clear that the area below the belly button could cause controversy. Stick to the arm.
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I understand his motivation, but a red rose below the panty line? Definitely sexual and intrusive.
I dont know if I agree with the law suit either, perhaps if there were several patients who didn't agree?
I think it depends on where was the rose was placed below her panty line? I can think of certain places that would definitely warrant a law suit. - 3 years ago
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NaCl
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ill save my comment til they diclose the exact placement of the tattoo...it could of been on her hip.....and she could only wear grannie underwear that comes to mid abdomen....im just sayin...
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NaCl
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flyingkick
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I could understand a removable tattoo on my arm, but below the panty line is a bit intrusive.
I think she has the right to complain, but a law suit is too much.
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advertisehere
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who says her panty line isnt around her belly button.
not everyone wears low-rise jeans these days you know.. - 3 years ago
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Greg_Bunker
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Haha. Yeah that doctor is totally weird. I agree, on the hand, not below the waist.
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Greg_Bunker:
This guy's a doctor...human bodies are his job!!!!! He is probably not responsive to human body parts as the lay-public might be. He is also educated, hopefully enlightened and thought she'd feel better thinking someone thought enough to offer some beauty to ease the pain of living...(isn't one of the functions of beauty comfort?)
Why are you all so stuck on appropriate-ness, the conventional, the narrow self-righteous-ness of the thinking in this backward country? And look where it has gotten us...nowhere!!! We are no closer to understanding or tolerance or living sucessfully with each other...are we?
When will amerikans get their heads out of their rectums...? The creepiness is you all can't look past what you think is right even when what you think isn't working.
Get over yourselves!!!!!!!!
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sandy_caper
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jh64487
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i don't know, there's no doubt he's creepy but some people are creepy without meaning any harm at all, they're just really socially awkward. however, I wouldn't be opposed to putting camera's in his office (for insurance) to monitor his further interaction with his clients
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malathion
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this happened in Jersey ? she better go get a pregnancy test .
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malathion
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malathion:
hahahaha. hahaa. I almost just fell off my chair.
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malathion:
I second that notion
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Mafioso
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malathion:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
- 3 years ago
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Mafioso
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DeliaTheArtist
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Yeah, and the fact that it is a red rose seems sort of sexual as well. I could understand a daisy on your hand, but a red rose below the belt? Sound like he was hinting at something...
- 3 years ago
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DeliaTheArtist
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sgwhites
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Creepy! Even if he was just trying to cheer her up--below her panty line is just creepy!
Also, that explanation doesn't really wash, if you think about it. If the point of the temporary tattoo was to cheer her up--wouldn't you want to put it somewhere she'd see it often? Like the back of her hand, or something. She's had back surgery, I don't imagine she's going to be sitting up for a while, and she's not going to see that tattoo while she's lying flat on her back.
- 3 years ago
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sgwhites
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IAMROBOT
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I'm so conflicted! On one hand it's kind of cool, on the other... very creepy... Great story!!
- 3 years ago
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IAMROBOT
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Saladin
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Water tattoos were cool when we were kids, beyond that it's kind of =|
But even if he was just trying to make her feel better (and I might feel better if someone did something like that, kind of) why on earth was it below the waistline? If it was on the back of her hand or something it would be a different story, but it's not. It was on her crotch.
That's just invasive and wrong.
- 3 years ago
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Saladin
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diode
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Saladin:
near the incision(along the spine, surgery is performed with patient laying on stomach) i imagine. was it in front or back? since her husband found it, i presume it was in the back.
big deal, get over it. it's a fake tattoo that washes off. i hate how pathetic our country has become where we must sue over every little thing.
- 3 years ago
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diode
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sgwhites
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Saladin:
It's not about the fact that the tattoo washes off. This guy did something to her body that she hadn't given permission for, while she was unconscious.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that if something like that happened to me, I'd feel extremely violated. It's extremely inappropriate behavior, and sometimes a lawsuit is the only way to get the point across (since it sounds as if the doctor brushed off her complaints).
- 3 years ago
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sgwhites
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