Immigrant beaten to death in Pennsylvania

JJammer, you are reposting the same comment over and over. This is not in line with the community standards on Current.

If you can read I surely didn't post exactly.....

and a couple thousand dollars and years of waiting. and the act of doing it the right way to assimilate to the "American" culture

They very fact that you quoted "American" culture immediately denotes the artificial value and vagueness of such a term. It's as if you know what it means in your head and if it is not attained, then you'll just know. That type of arbitrary sentiment is dangerous.

And I have read all your posts. I still disagree with them, even if you are not as bigoted and sad as some of the people posting on this website. You use the term "illegal alien." No person with any balanced academic background thinks that the term you use is acceptable. It is loaded with ignorance, as if a human being can be an alien. Do you think that the border between Texas and Mexico has been there forever or something?

i totally agree with you i am the fiance of this man that you'se all commenting about and his family truly appreciates the support

So we should all sit ignorantly in our own puddles of prejudice without discussion just because "it stirs shit up"?? You are a weak, ignorant, and fearful human. After reading your posts I wonder if you have any rudimentary understanding of the global economy or basic geopolitical forces. Do you know of any literature that could back up any of your assertions?? You should read Thomas Friedman, or PJ O"Rourke, or maybe even a little Christopher Hitchens. You may not be as politically challenged after reading those, but who knows?

Again, your just throwing fuel on your fire. Soon enough it'll set fire to that rich and elite house your gonna buy if you don't stop.

holy - i think americas biggest problem are the corporations which outsource american jobs. this creates a divisions among our working class. Our youth are products or their environment - capitalism....the system that is dividing American people as they're losing their jobs, homes, and health.

If that weren't obviously a joke I would call you a racist prick.

oh so because maybe he was illegal rite await he doesnt excist well i'm tellin you something mother fucker i hope you get the shit kicked out of you by a buch of mexicans. and then lets we'll say you dont excist so no charges will come about

Hey, you aren't with your white friends at your homo- erotic "paying to have friends" fraternity. So keep your mouth shut.
I know all you learned is how to do stupid human tricks to give your frat brothers hard ons after doing keg stands, but i figured you would still have some brain cells left to realize your ignorance.

"If I were a supporter of the KKK I would say they should be able to you fool." What?

At least take the time to use correct grammar.

P.S You make yourself look worse by responding back with "poor me" statements like this one below.

" I am working my tail off to live up there with the rich and elite! And guess what? I am almost there. AND I grew up extremely poor and abused"
YOUR ALIVE STILL AREN'T YOU!!

And being that your a woman stop saying "fool"
Not that attractive to hear a woman talk like that.

spoonie , small towns know who are illegal.You need to go back and read my post again.I mentioned that the people that hate illegal aliens should be hating companies that hire them and the government for not protecting the borders.You can infer that I'm racist all the live long day if you want.The facts are this nation was built with immigrants not illegal immigrants.

No. The facts are that the legal and illegal forms of immigration that you speak of are a modern conception. And I am from a small town too; don't act like these kids knew for certain that he was illegal. They made a prejudiced assumption that I guess turned out to be true. Do you mourn for this man's life and the sad stain on our great country as I do?? Or do want to blame every layer of society that is slightly removed from this specific act of cold-blooded murder?? I blame the media, the government, and the geopolitical neo-liberal order as well. I blame Reagan too, why not? But I blame these doomed children first and foremost, as well as their irresponsible parents.

Judah , in my first post my statement was these youths were wrong. So before you budge into somebody else's response at least read the whole posts that the debate is about.

How about we ship you to cave in a coffin?

wow, is that how you see things...in color only!!!! We all bleed red because regardless of the outside color, we are all human beings inside. How sad that you have decided that only whites are "worth" anything. Last I knew they said in the Declaration that ALL men are created equal. What do you think they meant by that???

Don't waste your time with this guy. He obviously doesn't read and won't change.

Listen here mother fucker in my opinion u need a rude awaking. last time i checked you most like ly are not full blooded indian probably no where even close so u ur ancestors came here from else so maybe ur whole family should be sent back to their original countries in body bags

This dudes too much of a bitch to respond back and defend his statements.

Well said. Plus good link. Eminent domain will fuck us all if it has to, skin color matters not. But some people want to pretend like everything is equal now. Like reparations were paid or that "building a society" is the means to the end where we should all forget imperialism because it's just nasty. Ha. "An elephant never forgets."

Dude, chill. Everyone blames everyone for everything. It's human nature.

Do I need to chill? I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was out of control suggesting that people subjugated during the colonial period and people branded "illegal" in our modern discourse may feel a little slighted and pissed. Sorry. I guess Jim Crow and housing discrimination in America through the 1990s deserves no blame because we are all to blame. Tragedy of the blaming commons?? I do need to chill. I guess I am pretty pissed about this whole world wide Us vs Them idiom and the ramifications of such hatred. Or should I just chill out and not mourn for this man?? After all, some people on this page think he is not even human. But I need to chill I guess.

eminent domain isn't just the gov swiping your shit. They pay you fair market value and then some as compensation for the property they take. The vast majority of people don't have a problem with it. It is simply a swap of assets.

You should chill, dude. We are all angry about something, and we are all passionate about something. Being effrontory and negative will accomplish nothing in the long run. Consider that it is more important to be accurate than it is to be "right,"

What did you think "Mexican" was? Please enlighten us with your definition of ethinicity.

Ugly vocab, weak logic structure...

"ethnic - of the customs, food, etc. characteristic to a group or culture."

Do you not understand? :

"spic" by itself is JUST A SLUR. (that's how you use it)
"stupid mexican" IS an ETHNIC SLUR.

A man was beaten to death by some kids who lost control.

i believe ur comment was they said he was a stupid mexican so it was not a ethnic slur well for ur information the news said they called him a spick so it was a ethnic slur.

"Foreignors come her and rape our system."

This is a country of foreignors. This country was built by people from elsewhere. Many of our technological and medical advances are made by people with roots in other countries.

If you saw the opportunity for a better life elsewhere, you'd go try and find it. You would do the same thing.

dude the only chunk of america that was part of mexico was texas. america was here before mexico and pennsylvania was bought from native americans by william penn. the mexicans were not involved at all. im not denying the fact that thats horrible but it sure as hell wasnt his or his peoples land.

Thank you so much for your brilliant version of the racial carousel. We all ride a funny pony too while taking these proverbial shits of yours. I am not going to let a single piece of your ignorant emotional rants go unanswered. I say emotional because all you've spoken of is your supposed experiences. No references. No overall understanding. Just flashbulb type memory shit (or is it spelled sh--??). Not everything in this world happens in your little town where everyone I guess takes shits on each other.

The way to break cycles of prejudice and violence is to talk and discuss, not to sweep under the rug. Your remedy would leave us all in the American Dark Ages, devoid of anything meaningful when it comes to recognizing differences and internalizing their importance. We should all just go along pretending problems don't exist I guess, right??

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Generalizations are no fun.

We can't decipher what you wrote.
Please rewrite your remark. Thanks.

chill bay-beh! no need for violence...

It would just be refreshing to hear about the citizens of Mexico rising up to revolutionize their own land and stop hearing them say they are gonna take back California and such. California was bought fair and quare back in the day. We've all made a bad deal in our lives.

in what way was California purchased fair and square? mexicans and indians living didn't get a voice in the decision, it was their government that decided. It's like if someone came to your house, took it over, and then sold it someone else and told you to get the hell out. How is that fair?

"California was bought fair and square back in the day."

Read something.

It's a fucked up thing to do REGARDLESS of race. This is so f'ing stupid trying to assign severity of crimes based on ethnicity, it's nothing more than the court system fueling the fire of race relations in this country. There is no such thing as a hate crime, murder is murder regardless of motivation. Like someone else mentioned above, immigration status is only mentioned when it's beneficial to the cause of illegal immigration. The stories of illegal immigrant attacks on legal citizens are swept under the rug by the media. I'm curious what started the whole incident, since it's not mentioned I'm sure Mr Ramirez was somehow implicit in the ioncident coming to blows. If the kids just walked up and started beating the life out of him I'm pretty sure the article would have mentioned that and surrounded it in flashing lights with sirens.

i dont think you understood me. i said Yes its fucked up REGARDLESS of race. (i just said it different!) I dont know who started it, i dont really care, i just think that when people fight and they get to a point of beating someone to death REGARDLESS of race its f*cking sick. I feel for the families who have been through any type of attack...race isnt my issue!

wow it sounds like you think he had it coming to him??

it's misdemeanants!!!

ugh! people just don't get it!

:P

Hey retard! America is a nation of immigrants! Including yourself. Its people like you that think whites own america when the truth is we stole it from indians and hispanics( the true americans) that make this country look bad. Go back far enough in your families generation and you will know that they immigrated here. F*#K WHITE AMERICA! Im white and its the white people in america that sicken me. We act like we would do the jobs they work hard at. They have a better sense of the american dream than americans do. They dont want to be rich, famous and on tv. They want to be able to support their families and keep a roof over their head! You're wrong though, (white)americans are far more stupid than the media thinks we are. It's outsourcing to make white corporation owners rich that bring wages down, they don't help anyone in mexico except the corrupt mexican politicians and corporate owners who don't care about their people either.

Go ahead and respond back with some uneducated response. I made my point and you just showed how arrogant and racist you are. So it wont hurt me. You hurt your own cause there stupid!!

mo1y --Don't listen to the sniveling one sided people who will reply to your comment. You are absolutely right, it is the sad truth. And NO we don't condone these types of crimes but hey, we deal with a hell of alot of crap from Hispanic and Black people too and have for ages now.

Uhhh, I think the blacks have dealt with way many more years of crap than whites have. One sided? Check yourself!!

I love how even though you say american people arent as stupid as the TV shows, you mention illegal people as "aliens" - which is a term used by the radical right media (ie. Fox News)

So, how is being brainwashed? hmm?

What a nice way to disconnect yourself and everyone else from the human beings.

The only difference between an illegal and a legal is a fucking rubber stamp. get over yourself.

"we deal with a hell of alot of crap from Hispanic and Black people too and have for ages now"

wow.

Well, we've been dealing with a hell of a lot of crap from ignorant people. I say leave the hispanic and black people here. Ship out the ignorant.

mo1y--I wonder if this wasn't an online discussion and instead was a group of people sitting around, if you would've said what you said. hmmm. Same goes for you Cdltnla. Check your history, your family was not born here. We are all immigrants and at one time were deemed illegal and unwelcomed by Native Americans too. Now you want to act as if this is your soil that you would get down and work for. Bulls**t! It's illegals that work hard on this soil doing all the work that you'd turn your privileged noses up at. If they weren't here you'd find another reason to complain because you don't want to get up off your lazy asses to toil and work for that true American dream--the dream that clearly disillusioned along the way. Seems like you almost think those youths are justified in what they did--beating an innocent man to death--a man whose worked harder than they probably ever will!
It's shameful that people like you exist to talk about illegal 'aliens' as if this is your land. Even more shameful that you would probably never voice your opinion outside of this online comment box.

"but hey, we deal with a hell of alot of crap from Hispanic and Black people too and have for ages now." Are you serious Cdltnla?? I'm sorry, were your people oppressed and had their freedom stripped from them for hundreds of years??? Uhh let's see, well, hmmm...NO I don't think so. Sheesh. Talk about sending the illegals back. They need to send the ignorant onto an island where they can all find another reason to be the superior ignorant and just kill each other off senselessly.

"but hey, we deal with a hell of alot of crap from Hispanic and Black people too and have for ages now."

Checkmate. How could you claim to discuss issues rationally when that is a point worth making? Everyone takes crap form everyone. Period.

I mourn for this man and if I were religious I would pray that you foolish nativist fearmongers would receive salvation. I get the feeling though that Mo1y and cdltnla do enough praying for all of us. (how do you like that type of prejudice?).

Full of crap

He wasn't attacked because of race. He was attacked because he was illegal and they are a place looking for jobs and when someone who isn't an American (because you're not if you're not legal) comes in and takes your potential job or that of your father, of course you're going to be pissed off.

This is one of many that will happen if the government doesn't step up and (as everyone wants us to be) be more like the Europeans and have strict laws on citizenship and illegal aliens.

It is not his fault he was beaten. It's the fault of the government for ignoring the cries of the American public over border issues for YEARS....years...before Bush, before Clinton, before the other Bush before Regan...for YEARS.

yay for Homo sapiens sapiens!!!!
(expect in the context of speciesism [hate against a certain species, or all in some cases])