Census won't report gay marriage, claims defense of Marriage Act won't let them
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The Census Bureau says the federal Defense of Marriage Act bars the agency from recognizing gay marriages in the nation's 10-year count, even though the marriages are legal in Massachusetts and California.
The agency's director, Steven Murdock, said in an interview Thursday that the 1996 federal law "has that effect, in terms of being a federal agency. We are restricted by it."
The Census Bureau does not ask people about their sexual orientation, but it does ask about their relationships to the head of the household. Many gay couples are listed in census figures as unmarried, same-sex partners, though it is an imperfect tally of all gay couples.
Murdock said the bureau will strive to count same-sex couples in the 2010 census, just as it has in the past. But those people who say they are married will be reclassified as unmarried, same-sex partners.
Same-sex couples with no children will not be classified as families, according the bureau's policy. Those with children who are related to the head of the household will be classified as families.
Gay rights advocates complained that the Census Bureau is depriving them of a hard-fought legal recognition.
"To completely whitewash us out of existence is hurtful, discriminatory and shameful," said Molly McKay of Marriage Equality USA, a California-based group that advocates for same-sex marriage. "It's like the federal government is trying to say that we don't exist."
McKay said an accurate count of same-sex married couples would help policymakers determine the costs of providing benefits.
McKay, 38, said she plans to marry her partner of 12 years on Sept. 1, now that they are legally able to marry in California. She said they consider themselves "an old married couple," even if the government doesn't.
"This is a very sweet moment in our life. It really is an absolutely joyous time," McKay said. "The notion that the federal government is going to come in and erase our existence is un-American."
The Census Bureau is required by the Constitution to conduct a comprehensive count of the nation's residents every 10 years. Every question is either mandated by federal law or used to administer a federal program, Murdock said.
Same-sex marriage was not an issue in the 2000 census because it wasn't legal in any state. The Census Bureau's policy on same-sex marriages was first reported in the San Jose (Calif.) Mercury News.
The bureau relies almost entirely on people's responses to classify them by race, ethnicity, age and income. But not marital status - at least not in 2010.
"It really should be what you say you are, not what I perceive you to be," Murdock said. But, the agency director added, "We have some limitations. This particular act limits us in regards to this issue."
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This_Is_Not_My_Name
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Well, on one hand, it's all equal...which was what the whole gay marriage issue was about, wasn't it? A couple is a couple is a couple!
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This_Is_Not_My_Name
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mo1y
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Homosexuals do not want to be counted in the census.
Homosexual dominate more then interior decorating, and hairdressing. Actually, Homosexual are one of the best paid groups in America.
Having Homosexuals listed in the census would undermine the pose as a victim.
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mo1y
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edbr
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mo1y:
cite references. your claim is so vague that there's no substantive way to support it.
yes, homosexuals are victims of violence, hatred, civil rights disparities, bigotry, and ignorance. though it isn't something they like or appreciate, as you allude.
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edbr
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edbr
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mo1y:
i think you're very mislead. i am a homosexual, in today's world, working a real (sort of) job, and most people have no clue i'm gay. i have no reason to mislead anyone into thinking i'm a 'victim' or that there are fewer gay people than there really are.
all i want is to not be considered a sub-citizen. i bleed, i cry, i sometimes hate myself, i sometimes love myself, just like every other human on the planet. yet, i can't marry or even legally unite with the one i love. (in tx, civil unions, and any extension of legal rights similar to marriage, are banned.) i can't visit the person i love if he were dying in a hospital. i can't honestly, openly join the military.
why should i be treated any differently than any other 27 year old male in this country? because the bible says so? (which it clearly doesn't) because people don't agree with my sexual orientation? (many still don't agree with interracial marriages)
what makes this issue so different?
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edbr
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constantdisregard
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Just wait until the data get published and we'll see how many people respond with their religion as "Jedi". We'll all see then how serious the census is in the eyes of the people.
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constantdisregard
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GavinTheMother
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Homosexuality is a social subject. The US Federal Gov't has no right to regulate or involve themselves in any way. There is no Constitutional provision for it and therefore even heterosexual marriages aren't technically legal according to the Constitution. If the Gov't knew how to mind it's own damn business we wouldn't have to deal with this stupid mess.
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GavinTheMother
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sheamus
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This is stupid. The census is an important part of the writing of American History. The administration is in denial about something that is happening in the US, like it is about most social/cultural phenomenon. In the future it will take historians and sociologists more time to develop an accurate snapshot of our country during this decade.
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sheamus
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Neghie
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If we ignore them...they don't exist. Don't look at em...Don't- dont look at them! Are they looking at us? Good.
Oh crap. The one in the leather pants with the butt cut out caught me looking. Put him down, but write him in as other.
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Neghie
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edbr
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in this publication from the US Census Bureau, their strategic goal states, "Objective 2.3: Produce accurate, timely, and relevant statistics by developing new samples that reflect the current characteristics and geographic location of the population."
it also goes further to say, "Objective 3.5: Improve the timeliness, accuracy, and relevance of our surveys and censuses through new applications of technologies and methodologies and share them globally."
Both these objectives effectively state that the census shall reflect the "current characteristics" of our population and to "improve accuracy" of the reporting system.
i feel that if these are the goals of the census bureau, then what explicitly prohibits them from counting "purported gay marriages?" isn't it non-conducive to accuracy to exclude an actual legal group of people from the census? i'm not talking about rights here at all. i just think, if their goal is to get an accurate representation of what's going on within our country, they're shooting themselves in the foot.
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edbr
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petarro
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Well, I'm against Gay marriage, but favor some sort of Gay "Civil Union" which will give them Legal rights...
But this is stupid. If they can get Married then it all has to go into Census... It's only a census after all...
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petarro
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TyMarshal [removed]
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TyMarshal [removed]
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J_Jammer [removed]
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TyMarshal:
Work within the means of what is legal and make your point and people take notice more if you are going to go against the law and act as if you're above the law.
People notice that as well but don't respect it.
Never act as if you are better and people will see it, even if it takes them a while they will eventually have to see.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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TyMarshal:
When he is saying they can't they aren't going to just because you tell them they are wrong.
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edbr
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TyMarshal:
so what you're saying, jjammer, is that we should just ignore this entirely? that makes no sense. one of the most basic of american values is the people being represented by votes or voices. if we don't like, or don't agree with something, a peaceful protest, a healthy dialogue, or anything to stir public awareness and recognition is a cherished value that we americans have embraced as a huge part of our culture and politics. to not speak out against something, or to ignore an issue that means something to us is simply undemocratic and unamerican.
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edbr
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J_Jammer [removed]
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TyMarshal:
No one said ignore.
I said that no matter what you state their view on this will not change until around 2010. So if you want to go horse voicing your opinion and them not doing anything until they stated be my guest. You could get far more done by doing something that people will take notice than complain about something that will not change because they are not breaking any laws other than the moral ones you've created.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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J_Jammer [removed]
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Make a point and create a website and take your own census. Sure it'll be "unscientific" of sorts but it'll be something.
Stating that America is pretending you don't exist is extreme in the thought that they are being hated on as if this is Iran. It's recognized that homosexuals exist. It is. If one doesn't think so they must live so far in the country that they are around no one.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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