Senate blocks bill to help poor pay energy costs

Then quit your job ... its that simple... then not only will you be put back on the program but a whole host of other programs open up....

Welfare,
Unemployment,
Food stamps,

Then once you start sucking on the government teet you'll be happy and never have another care in the world ....

And how much would you be volunteering?

you dont have to scoop food into a bowl for the poor to care. I give jesus a 20 spot every sunday for the nuns to go do it for me.

"And how much would you be volunteering?"

I would be willing to do as they used to do and put forth a portion of my pay to everyone paid in.

"you dont have to scoop food into a bowl for the poor to care. I give jesus a 20 spot every sunday for the nuns to go do it for me."

sure, and that's fine. i'm just not about federalizing aid.

hell no keep the feds as far from my bank account as possible. Distribution of wealth is lawful bullshit that should be abolished. Why the fuck do i have to work 4 months a year so some person on social services can sit at home and sponge off me.

Because not all people on "social services", also known as wellfare and unemployment are in a position to immediately support themselves. The idea of such social services is that a person who is on them either not be on them forever, or will be physically incapable of supporting themselves. Unemployment for example can only be collected so long as a person shows evidence that they are looking for work, and only pays out for so many months before the receiving person is cut off. Wellfare that might pay out for a persons lifetime tends to be focused more on people who are incapable of supporting themselves, like someone who is a paralyzed and can not hold a job because of said injury.

I shouldn't have to pay for someone who fell of a ladder. Nor should i have to pay for someone with mental illness. I will pay for my Family if this is the case, but some random person that i have no idea about does not deserve a dollar from me.

Nor would i except such a shameful practice of gimme gimme gimme, when i dont do shit

Just to change direction a little bit, let's think about this through a different angle. Say you end up getting laid off, or are injured in a way that prevents you from working for some time. If you have to make use of either unemployment or wellfare, you will be making use of a social service that you have already paid into.

Many of the people who make use of said social services do so not because they are leeches, but because they really need to. And it is a pain in the ass to collect certain services like unemployment. I've attempted to make use of unemployment once in Oregon, over a time period of one month. In that one month period I didn't collect one fucking dime from unemployment. I went in every week with proof that I was looking for work, and every time I asked where the unemployment check that I needed to pay for food and rent was I was told that I missed a question on my paperwork. It went that way for every week, until I found myself a temp job. I wracked up a fairly large debt because they had their heads up their backsides and wouldn't pay me for a service that I had paid for out of each paycheck.

Getting back to the point though, the social service program of unemployment requires a person seeks a job while they collect unemployment. If a supplicant of unemployment does not bring in copies of filled out applications then they don't collect anything, and the supplicants can only collect unemployment for a year at most. Afterwards they cease receiving payment.

Now though I would like to say that wellfare is doing it's best, I think that it needs to be stricter about it's requirements. I say this because although I think it's needed, I know a person from high school who was very capable of performing work, but because this person had a special medical condition this person was able to collect wellfare and not have to work. I do think that people who are unable to work should collect wellfare, but people who collect wellfare because they technically can even though they don't need it should not collect wellfare.

as i suspect you have no military experience, so i dont think you know as much as you think you do. The news papers are just as anti-everything soldier as you socialist are. So don't believe everything you read out of a paper thats losing subscribers by the tens out thousands.

Anti everything soldier eh? Yeah, us socialist communist pigs are really against our soldiers, because it was us who decided to screw over out men and women sent to the middle east by doing things like not armoring Hummers... Riiiiight.

Despite all of this bullshit you spew about democrats being socialist idiots who are anti military, you don't really pay much attention to history and economics do you. The last democratic president, Mr. Clinton, spent roughly the same amount of money on the military as the republican president who came before him. The difference in both costs and resources amounted to 1 battleship, and I believe that it was Mr. Clinton who had that battleship built, not Bush Sr.

Speaking of being anti soldier, under who's presidential watch have our injured soldiers been neglected and put through subpar care? As I recall many injured soldiers who returned home after being injured in Iraq and Afghanistan were placed in hospitals that were not equipped to treat them. Some part of the hospitals that treated our injured troops looked like they should have been condemned.

@ Varex_Sythe

I know that your full of shit now.... there has not been a single battle ship built since the 40's

As a matter of fact the Military has seen the MOST cutbacks during the Clinton administration that doing any of the prior 3 presidents... Yes that even includes Jimmy "the Jackass" Carter.

As for your comments on the Hummer ... First off only self important civilians drive Hummers, Military personnel drive HMMWVs there is a distinct difference. Any way getting back to ripping into your point. These HMMWVs were sent to Iraq with armor ... Unfortunate it was not anticipated the level of protection that was needed. They were well equipped to handle the small arms fire that they were meant for but it was not expected to have to deal with IEDs on such a large scale.

As such the extra armor was needed, but as can be pointed out was not immediately available ... a fact that can be directly contributed to the Military cutbacks during the Clinton administration.

This is such an ignorant response. I'm not sure if you have been paying attention to the economic landscape lately, but the everyday worker is being beset on all sides by rising inflation with not pay compensation, a weak dollar and mass layoffs. The very assumption that 'the poor' simply wallow in their destitution is short sighted and dismissive of the very real issue facing workers today. Even financial companies are receiving assistance to keep afloat in these troubled waters, but the average US Citizen is not worthy of the same respect? This is pure and simple ignorance and denial of what is going on in our country.

I watch just as much CNN and Fox to hear all the shit that is going on. Like i said go join the military or the Post office. If you have a college degree and cant find a job start the officer training program for the military. They need accountants too. Not all the military is killing. I'm training to be a 68p x ray-tech, my cousin is a field medic, my other cousin is a meat inspector. If you don't want to kill you don t have too.

I'm glad you have some awareness from your TV viewings, but you are doing nothing more than stating the obvious as an answer to a far reaching problem. Quite simply clay, it's just not that simple. The rising unemployment rate and lack of wages cannot simply be blamed on the poor when we have a government that has less than fiscally responsible. I am glad you and your are still finding ways to maintain, but your view point is not indicative of the millions of the middle class who are being forced to tighten their belts and pinch pennies even more because of policies that support it's erosion. While I will not fully disregard the concept of personal responsibility because it will always take personal effort to get what you need. However, painting this issue with a less than thought out hue of "just get a job" completely ignores much need accountability that needs to taken by our policy makers, while simultaneously placing the blame on working people for being victims of policies they have no control over. It would do you well to do a bit of reading about the economic practices instituted in the last few years to get some much needed context for your statements.

I disagree with you on that. It's not that easy everywhere in America to just "have some pride and get up in the morning and get a job." Some people have physical and mental disabilities that prevent them from working. Some people have children to provide for which involves childcare. Childcare is expensive. Then you have to consider healthcare for the children. This all costs money. Many states don't offer much assistance and/ or it takes a long time to get the assistance. All of this is being paid for by substandard wages that can be found in the area.

Illegal immigrants seem to do it just fine

clayj my hero!!, Melberta & AreOh, when did continuing to stay home and sigh help anyone. Where is it written the government is supposed to supply anyone with everything they need? Did you see the farmers in Iowa during their flooding, they actually got out and filled their own sandbags, and did stuff to (now get ready) HELP THEMSELVES. what a concept.

Illegal immigrants seem to do just fine because they tend to live below the poverty level and send the extra money from living in such conditions to the country of their origin where the dollar still goes farther than their own currency.

I'll agree that there's not a nickles worth of difference between the two parties, (2 parties, RIGHT), when Clinton was prez, and the Rep, blocked judge apptments, i said that would come back and bite them in the butt. Same with this bill blocking move, sadly Coburn is from my State, is blocking about a dozen or more bills at this time. But the Dems claiming that it'll be different when they take control of the congress, is BS, they've been in control almost 2 years, in that time Oil has doubled, fuel has doubled, lending is a shambles, no single party can cure it all, they all need to be voted out and start over, with people who have integrity. Good luck with that.

The reason oil has doubled is because we've elected 2 oilmen into the Oval office: Bush & Cheney. Not to mention the endless war in Iraq. Lending is in shambles because Bush and McCain's aid, Phil Gramm deregulated the industry. Nice try, though. But I bet it's hard to defend Republicans without facts.

so i guess it's a huge conspiracy that 2 oilmen, (cheney wasn't an oilman, he worked for halliburton, an oil service comapny it's like saying a tractor company is responsible for increased wheat prices), waited till the dems took over congress, and then manipulated the commodity trading just to make the dems look bad. and these are the guys that masterminded 9/11, and all the libs call stupid??? Now the reply should be "if they weren't stupid it wouldn't of taken them 7 years to pull it off.

"so i guess it's a huge conspiracy that 2 oilmen, (cheney wasn't an oilman, he worked for halliburton, an oil service comapny it's like saying a tractor company is responsible for increased wheat prices), waited till the dems took over congress, and then manipulated the commodity trading just to make the dems look bad. and these are the guys that masterminded 9/11, and all the libs call stupid???"

Just listen to yourself. Does logic even apply to your arguments?

Let's get our tinfoil hats on.

I don't even know where to start with your post. It's utterly absurd.

Most low income families don't maintain savings accounts that would be of any consiquence to any bank.

Now when you start whacking the middle and upper middle class then you have a problem.

Chill out there guy.

It's a heating bill, it's not like they're cutting food stamps.

Plus this is clearly a divided issue, not a Republican one.

Not everything is worthy of disgust. Use some discretion when you post.

take some of your money you use on cruises and give it to them.

giving more and more money to the poor keeps them poor.