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Women in US military more likely raped by fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq

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"A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military. Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach said she was raped by a fellow Marine. A Marine has been charged in her death. A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher.

Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, spoke before a House panel investigating the way the military handles reports of sexual assault. She said she recently visited a Veterans Affairs hospital in the Los Angeles area, where women told her horror stories of being raped in the military."

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62 comments // Women in US military more likely raped by fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq

  • Cynic2
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      Cynic2  
    • What do you expect?? I'll say it again: when people are brainwashed to kill, rape is an afterthought. AIN'T NO SUCH ANIMAL AS A CIVILIZED WAR OR WAR PREPARATION.

    • 3 years ago
  • alisachka
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      alisachka  
    • I'm not surprised. For people that are pretty much prisoned and trained to be torturers and murderers whats a little fellow rape? Go military...the few, the proud, the rapists.

    • 3 years ago
  • aliquid_
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      aliquid_  
    • Our military do not know the full potential of a woman combat soldier. Alot of men joke about them not realizing how important women soldiers are. The abuse and stress women endure has been around more than any kind of slavery ever recorded in history and to not treat women soldiers equal by men counterparts is terrible for quite some time. And also to worry about not just the enemy but the person next to you is really tough on a woman's prespective towards a trust factor. When you are out on the battlefield, the enemy doesn't see whether it's a guy or girl, it sees a target. To have both men and women trained up to a full ability as productive combat soldiers completing missions - it's a stronger defense.

    • 3 years ago
  • camnmaksmom
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      camnmaksmom  
    • I grew up as a military brat. Living under the umbrella of what I naively, believed the military to be. A society made up of upstanding, intelligent, and above average men & women who not only lived up to higher expectations, but who also put themselves at risk for death to protect the rest of us. It wasn't until I joined the U.S. Navy at the innocent age of 19, that I realized just how naive I was. By then, it was too late. My dreams of becoming something of a "Top Gun" in the Navy were immediately stomped on when I began to realize that I was being treated quite differently for being a female. But it wasn't until I was sexually assaulted by another shipmate, that all my dreams, goals, ambitions, spirit....you name it.....were completely obliviated. I couldn't believe the "dinosaur" reactions & the complete betrayal that my superior officers portrayed. Even going back on their own words and blaming me for what happened to me. I was treated as an "outcast" & a "man-hater" after that & wasn't allowed in certain areas of the ship.
      Women need to know that "equality" is something that is preached but not practiced in the military. And there are many commands in which it definitely IS a conspiracy against us females & they will do whatever they can to "break" us. I am grateful that I got out when I did & avoided the 6-month long WestPac out to sea as I'm sure I would've been thrown overboard & it made to look like a suicide. My point in all of this is to say, I know as a female, we want to be treated equally & to have the honor of fighting for our country side by side with other soldiers....men & women alike. It's not all what it appears & what they make it out to seem like. I am now considered a 100% disabled veteran due to the PTSD that I have as a result of the scandalous behavior of my command. Get the facts, talk to women veterans & ask what it was really like for them.

    • 3 years ago
  • mmusick
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      mmusick  
    • This story is extremely sad and undoubtedly true. Another sad fact is that it is not just the women soldiers being raped by fellow soldiers but also the men. The difference is the men are a LOT less likely to ever admit it.

    • 3 years ago
  • SuperLayne
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      SuperLayne  
    • The other day I read an article about how more women are going into the airforce. I guess getting shot out of the air is better than being surrounded by your "peers."

    • 3 years ago
  • sublimeuniverse
  • regularrf
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      regularrf  
    • It must be hard to profile a rapest.but in the armed forces
      with all the evaluations and screening you go through
      you figure those perverts would be weeded out.Someone is sleeping on the job and its not no private
      This has to stop now an example has to be made if the proof is positive long jail tears are in line even life.

    • 3 years ago
  • seary6579
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      seary6579  
    • regularrf:

      Evaluations and screenings, for the most part, are pretty much not there.

      When I enlisted in the Marines (early 2001, PRIOR to 9/11), I was able to get in even with a violent felony on my criminal record (which stemmed from a drunken brawl when I was 16). All I had to do was write an "OMG I am so sorry I'll never do that again" letter and talk to the Commanding Officer of our recruitment district for 5 minutes.

      After participating in the 2003 initial invasion of Iraq, our "debriefing" consisted of checking boxes on a one page form with "Do you feel you are suffering from the following" on top. Some options were:

      -Hearing Loss
      -Difficulty Sleeping
      -Night Terrors
      -Increased Nervousness
      -"Flashbacks"

      etc... we then turned them in to our medical officer.

      After returning to the US, being back in country for close to a year, curiosity got the best of me and I asked one of the Corpsmen (naval medical personnel) what ever became of these forms. He told me that they were a formality and that they most likely were trashed.

      That's pretty much the extent of "screening" I witnessed.

    • 3 years ago
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • I spent 10 years in the Army. I lived in tents with men, lived in the woods for weeks at a time with men, I experienced full immersion into the "boys club". Not ONCE- and I repeat- not ONCE, even while in Iraq was I threatened or sexualy assaulted. I was very blessed and lucky to have been surrounded by decent people, men and women, who respected one another (at least on that level)

      I just felt like that needed to be said by a female (former) Soldier.

      Not all Soldiers (or Sailors or Marines or Airmen) are bad and I know the assaults have happened. It makes me sick. It isn't something any soldier should have to worry about- especially while serving in a war.

      So now that WE know, what are WE going to do about it???

    • 3 years ago
  • rainze
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      rainze  
    • vixen0078:

      Hi,
      Do females really get sent into combat roles?? I thought women are not allowed to go into combat roles in the military?? Is that not right? Also, are the chances to get rape in the military higher than other places or what? And what about the Navy?? What is it like in the navy and military?

    • 3 years ago
  • shibuya_district
  • s0und0FF
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      s0und0FF  
    • According to the research done by Susan Chenelle of Bitch Magazine, there were 1,344 investigations of military sexual assault cases reported in 2007, involving 1,469 subjects. 349 of those were responded to, and only 103 men were court-martialed. 78 to 85 percent of soldiers convicted of rape or sexual assault leave the military with honorable discharges.

      "Rafay Siddiqui, a former Marine who has served in Africa and Iraq, testified during the hearings that masculinity is constantly challenged in the Marine Corps, and that a Marine is not considered a man until he's harassed, taken sexual advantage of, or abused a woman."

      I like to believe that men in the military don't just violate women for the sake of their "manhood," but sometimes the evidence proves nothing else.

    • 3 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • when you take our impressionable youth tell them they are men, train them to kill other men, and congradulate them when they do, why does any of this behavior seem shocking. this is the social collateral damage of war. when one is made to think killing is ok, what other awfull behaviors seem permissable too?

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • I don't know what environment these women are in.
      But in stressful environments I noticed that people aren't quite themselves, especially when stressed for long periods of time. No excuse. Just an observation.
      There is never an excuse for rape. Sometimes all one can do is think fast, make a move and escape.

      My job in the Navy kept me on dry land. It also gave me more freedom.

      The only similar experience I had in the military (perhaps my marine dad giving me pointers on self defense saved me, I don't know.)

      I did have one man try for rape, we were in his truck, and he was hurting me, trying to put me into submission. In agressive sexual way. I just got closer to him..then I elbowed him hard in the throat, and the other half of that move is a fist in the face (fist backward), pure self defense. I know that move can really hurt the thorax, so later I felt kinda bad.

      I never saw the person again. Needles to say he didn't come after me when I got out of the car and left. I would have hoped he learned his lesson. At the ER when he would have to explain his injuries.

      And the MP's didn't come after me for beating up my would-be rapist. Like what could he possibly say?

      Other than that, Am I lucky that I didn't get raped by my Marine or Navy buddies? I never associated with anyone who would do such a thing (except that one person). But, a person's disposition can have an impact on a situation.

    • 3 years ago
  • nobody04
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      nobody04  
    • From what I remember, women were regarded as merely morale and welfare.
      And divorce, cheating, getting wasted, violence, murder, rape, suicide, and such, are so regular that one doesn't even shrug. Guys blow shit up and practice killing, inbetween time they are being worked rather heavily. Stress can seemingly blur your imaginary lines of morality, something inadvertently useful when being put in a situation to kill. Not saying it's right, just is...
      I would suggest Air Force, or Navy, as far as a female being less likely abused/whateverthecase. But Marine and Army branches got some serious issues.
      Of course, there are many exceptions to my opinion.

    • 3 years ago
  • christineinman
  • sonnydenbow
  • Eri_Soulja
  • ajulian
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      ajulian  
    • One has to wonder where the repect for humanity went? Ironically, females in this culture are treated like those in other cultures that we, as Americans, find horrifying and despicable.

    • 3 years ago
  • cadsuch
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      cadsuch  
    • The bad guys own the news media. Till we get a news media back.......we have no power to defend ourselves.

      Reagan took our power away from us......by executive order. (by outlawing unions) Tell me a part of our culture that gives working people any power. We have no power. Until we stop fighting amongst ourselves, we have to keep enduring abuses by government and the military, and the corporations. We must go to the polls and vote our own best self interests. And we must stop allowing the bad guys to divide us by using phony, wedge issues that are, for the most part, non-issues.

    • 3 years ago
  • jh64487
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  • clayjj05
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      clayjj05 [removed]  
    • Im not going to say rape is not a problem in the military. But to say killed by enemy fire in iraq? Woman rarely eave the wire in iraq. They can not hold combat positions so they rarely are put in the position where they can get hit. Most are basically secretaries or dental hygienist and such. They are not even issued guns for the most part.

    • 3 years ago
  • clayjj05
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • clayjj05:

      I'm not sure if you have ever been to Iraq or any other warzone. I pray you haven't. It is a terrible thing to go through.

      Once a soldier is told it's time to go, they are issued their weapon. An M-16. Yes, the girls get 'em too.

      You pack your bags, tote your gun, fly through the various countries and the MINUTE you are "boots on the ground" in Iraq, you are given magazines with REAL ammunition packed into it. And yes, the girls get the live rounds, too.

      In todays "war", there are no clearly drawn battle lines. Woman do go into the front line because the entire country is considered the "front line". What do you think they do, stow us away in protective boxes until it is time to clean someones teeth? And what about indirect rocket fire? Can a female not be hurt by that type of enemy fire because she is "behind the wire"? It doesn't make sense!

      Sure, women get desk jobs. But so do men.

      Here is what female Soldiers do right along with their male counterparts:

      We were sent on patrols. We were sent to guard gates and scan people and automobiles for explosives. We work as medics. Who do you think is part of the team that picks the wounded up during a hot blackhawk landing while the other troops are still under fire? It isn't only men.

      We are pilots of Apache fighter choppers and combat doesn't get much more combat-ish than when you bring in the Apache.

      We are convoy truck drivers, and communications specialists and....I could go on, but I'm over doing it now.....

      Lines blur in a place like Iraq. I just wanted you to understand that. I'm not trying to flame you. I promise.

    • 3 years ago
  • seary6579
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      seary6579  
    • clayjj05:

      Trust me... every member of the US military is issued a weapon. I cannot speak for the other armed services branches, but in know that in the Marines, there are very few Military Occupation Specialties (MOS) that are off limits to women.

      -Infantry
      -Artillery
      -Armor (Tanks)
      -Light Armored Recon (LAR- big six-wheeled vehicles with guns, falls under infantry)
      -Amphibious Tracked Vehicles ( AMTRACKs, falls under infantry)
      -Reconnaissance (Special forces, falls under infantry)
      -Combat Pilots (only forbidden in forward combat operations, but exceptions exist)

      Now women can serve in countless other jobs, including engineers, communications, ordinance, ordinance disposal, etc... all which have potential to attach to the above mentioned combat units, essentially putting women right in the mix.

      Also, units (at least in the Marine Corps, I am sure of) are always expected to provide there own security... so that means that engineer company that has women in it, they do their own security patrols, on the beat, rifle in hand.

    • 3 years ago
  • clayjj05
  • kbclef
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      kbclef  
    • Im so tired of people lumping together the few military personel who dont have a conscience with the rest of the men a women that make up our armed forces. Our military is made of people. If a teacher molest a student, we don't immediately say that we no longer support teachers do we? These men need to be held accountable for what they have done. They should be dishonorably discharged so they no longer will be able to tarnish the rest of the military personel. They need all the support they can get right now and its a shame that those few retards are fucking it up.

      If we start making seperate branches for females or gays and lesbians, then we are taking a huge step back with regards to human rights. That would just open the door to further segregation.

    • 3 years ago
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • "since we all came from a woman
      Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
      I wonder why we take from our women
      Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
      I think it's time to kill for our women
      Time to heal our women, be real to our women" -2PAC

    • 3 years ago
  • Kabimbi
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      Kabimbi  
    • rape is a terror tool used by the US military. women in the private sectors of iraq and also women in the military not to mention iraqi women are all in the line of fire for these " horror stories "

    • 3 years ago
  • seary6579
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      seary6579  
    • Kabimbi:

      I know right, cause my first two weeks of Boot Camp at Parris Island were officially called "Rape: doing it right".

      You ever stop to think that the Military is a microcosm of American society as a whole?

      GEEWILIKERS, I wonder how many sexual assaults occur at US college campuses yearly....

    • 3 years ago
  • tanyetta
  • Blake_Ryan_Lewis
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      Blake_Ryan_Lewis  
    • its is bullshit like this that makes it hard for rational citizens to want to "support" the troops. Not to say that there aren't good people in the military, but when you hear and meet enough dirtbags it becomes really hard to separate the image from the people. They want to be respected at such a high standard then I think that they should be punished at the highest standards. I think the whole world is going fucking crazy.

    • 3 years ago
  • funksoulgurlll
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      funksoulgurlll  
    • men who join the military are men who love power. its the same for men in law enforcement. this isnt new. many women have been raped/killed/ beaten by their husbands who have control issues. they have a gun so they think they can do whatever they want.

    • 3 years ago
  • seary6579
  • jmichael2497
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      jmichael2497  
    • funksoulgurlll:

      So if the military attracts aggressive power hungry men who are more likely to rape their fellow female soldiers, maybe thats why they don't want gay soldiers in the military, as they're afraid to get a taste of their own medicine... or at least of having men around who will not just stand by and let them get away with rape.

    • 3 years ago
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • funksoulgurlll:

      It is my humble opinion that you are absolutely and utterly WRONG . Anyone who has served any time in the Military knows that your personal ego goes out with the trash in your first few days of training. Very few people who are in the military have an opportunity to be in a "powerful" position. So being a person that "loves power" isn't going to get you very far at all.

    • 3 years ago
  • Sublime_Emperor
  • rainze
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      rainze  
    • So if a female wants to join the military such as the Navy, would you all advise her not to join or it's okay to join? Is the rape statistics higher in certain military branches than another? Is it really true that the military has higher rape statistics than outside the military?

    • 3 years ago
  • eldamon
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      eldamon  
    • Maybe this is the true objection to having gays in the military. There afraid of giving these idiots a whole other set of targets to assault and harass. The sad fact is this isn't a new phenomenon. This madness has been going on for decades.

    • 3 years ago
  • ag0093
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      ag0093  
    • Absolutely appalling. The military accepts anyone these days. Even people with violent criminal records. But if women who sign up for the military actually expect to be treated equally and given adequate protection, then they're just naive. Maybe the solution is to create completely separate branches of the military for women, gays and straight misogynist gay homophobes.

    • 3 years ago
  • RyanBWylie
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      RyanBWylie  
    • How can we pretend to have the ability to protect Iraqis when we cannot and will not even protect our own soldiers from each other.

      This type of behavior may not be avoidable in a violence charged 'boys club' but it can certainly be lessened by accountability through criminal prosecution -instead of cover-ups.

    • 3 years ago
  • extblues
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      extblues  
    • Last time I checked, all of the armed forces have a "zero tolerance" policy when it comes to sexual abuse and harassment. Unfortunately the general public often learns about these regulations only after a massive sex scandal breaks (..like the one at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in '96, among others), or someone points out that the incident rate is higher than that of the civilian population.

      The truth is that it's been a problem ever since women were allowed to serve in the military, and tragically, I don't see it changing in any significant way in the foreseeable future. The pervasive "boys club" mentality that has always been a part of military life, the incredible stresses that come with too long deployments, and the general lack of personnel to effectively enforce policy are all contributing factors I'm sure.

    • 3 years ago
  • Enjoy_Cannabis
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  • seary6579
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      seary6579  
    • Enjoy_Cannabis:

      I assure you it's a myth, seeing as saltpeter does absolutely NOTHING to the male libido.

      "Potassium nitrate was once thought to induce impotence, and is still falsely rumored to be in institutional food (such as military fare) as an anaphrodisiac; these uses would be ineffective, since potassium nitrate has no such properties."

      http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_221.html

      Maybe it has something to do with more women serving in the armed forces, in closer proximity to males, than ever before?

    • 3 years ago
  • Pattyhax
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      Pattyhax  
    • It doesn't seem like the armed services are doing enough to train soldiers to restrain themselves from committing these assaults. And I wouldn't be surprised if in the event that conflicts that do arise, the reports are falling through the cracks up the chain of command so word never reaches the public and the military can keep their dignified image.

    • 3 years ago
  • rainze
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      rainze  
    • Pattyhax:

      If women are more likely to get raped in the military than in any other place, then I think the military should really do something about it such as training the soldiers better and make things stricter in the military. I just don't understand why the military can't live up to their image or what they should be correctly portrayed as. Why does the military not do anything about it?? Do they think that the rape incidences are acceptable behaviors?? If other places don't think that these are acceptable behaviors, then the military should even more so not think that way but it seems like it's the opposite around. Why is that?

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • Pattyhax:

      It may be how the men in the military view the women. I've had my fair share of watching retarded testerone men (in a group) doing stupid stuff and cheering each other on.

    • 3 years ago
  • rainze
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      rainze  
    • So, why are many women being raped in the military? Is the rate higher than like in the society?? If so, why is that?

    • 3 years ago
  • shroomfairy
  • ihateyou
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      ihateyou  
    • I wish people would stop joining the military, but unfortunatley the way the economy is going, many people will have no choice. I think that is what the gov. wants.

    • 3 years ago
  • Prijedor
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  • chris50
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      chris50  
    • Check out the story of a female soldier who was raped, beaten, bitten, flameable substances poured on her genital area and body and lit on fire. The military ruled it a suicide. Check it out everyone.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • chris50:

      Ahh so the boys are sticking together on this? If women were more integrated into the army, with more women in higher positions, we'd see these pigs procecuted.

      Those motherfucking pigs should be procecuted and fucking sent out as cannon fodder.

    • 3 years ago
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