Egyptian activists strive to halt female circumcision

Why rely on flipping a coin? Just make a sane decision. I grew up in Europe, but live in the States. I've had male lovers both uncircumcised and circumcised. My uncircumcised lovers had way more sensitivity and received a lot more pleasure because of it. My current partner is uncircumcised and it feels much better for both of us.

and that man seems genuinely entertained. makes me sick.

and the look on that MAN'S face also says it all. he seems to be really enjoying mutilating that poor girl.

Maybe I missed it, but I do not see where anyone called the people who practice this shameless...

I agree, to each their own, but some things are just too extreme for me to understand.

Not to be a dick by calling you out on your statement
"Uh, no it didn't.

It was started in the U.S. for religious reasons, to prevent boys from masturbating because people thought that was offensive to Jesus. Cleanliness was part of it, but the main reasons were sexual."

Sorry Saladin, but it was actually started by the Hebrews back in the Old Testament times. Circumcision...God....Covenant.

Ring a Bell?

I said started IN THE U.S.

Guess you forgot to read that part.

And by the way, the Egyptians did it first and the Jews copied it.

The more you know...

saladin, did you really just contradict yourself?

geez... are you a victim of a bad circumcision or something? you seem awfully sensitive about the subject.

No, I didn't. But I guess that's what you'd say when you have nothing to argue.

I'm just tired of hypocrites like you who pretend like you champion human rights but really are nothing more than a sheep who follows a crowd.

Yes female mutilation is right and horrible, too bad male mutilation happens right here and you think it's fine and dandy.

You sound like a fucking idiot to me.

I'm sorry I'm passionate about a subject that affects me.

Maybe you'd feel the same way if you had your clitoris ripped off of you and someone told you it was just fine and normal.

ignorant douche. are you really this bored?

You know nothing about the procedure and you call me an ignorant douche?

Sounds more like you have nothing to argue and you know you're wrong, but you're too fucking stubborn to admit it.

That's predisposition for ya.

Since apparently no one on the internet can convince someone of anything, let me ask you a series of logical questions so that you can reach the conclusion on your own.

Why do we circumcise little boys? What medical purpose does it serve? Why was it started in the first place? Is there any reason to continue it? Why is it that reputable government medical organizations in countries that practice circumcision recommend parents not to do it? Why is it considered mutilation to remove the clitoris but considered normal to remove a part of the penis?

Please don't reply unless you actually have something to say.

someone sounds angry... hummm. i had responded about how circumcision is not the same as cutting off a womans clitoris because if you know how the human body is made they are not the same. yes, by all means a woman who has had this done to her could technically still have an orgasm- but that would be reallllllyyy not the same as if she had one. this is not an argument FOR circumcision for men, it is one against mutilating women. in addition, i have read so many accounts of women having this done in the most horrible situations and getting very sick from it. in addition they don't always just stop at the clitoris, some completely cut away the area. it is really awful and painful and can cause infection and worse.

i am suprised at the anger that seems to come through in your responses- it makes me wonder what you are mad at

"yes, by all means a woman who has had this done to her could technically still have an orgasm- but that would be reallllllyyy not the same as if she had one."

Then you agree with my argument, it's the same thing with removing the foreskin.

Obviously it's not physically the same. Duh, I understand that. What's your point? Have you ever SEEN a circumcision? The child is in immense pain. What difference does it make that the parts are different? That's fucking stupid. It serves the exact same purpose and hurts just as much for boys.

And since you're not arguing in favor of it, what ARE you arguing? That you don't agree with it but it's not that big of a deal? That it is a big deal but why am I being so serious about it?

And it's not as if little boys in countries where this practiced don't get infections or otherwise fucked up from bad medical practice. Hell, there is a 0.5% failure rate HERE in the U.S. where a child is permanently disabled because the procedure goes wrong.

"i am suprised at the anger that seems to come through in your responses- it makes me wonder what you are mad at"

If you had your clitoris removed and someone said this to you, how would you feel? Oh no, I shouldn't be angry about being sexually mutilated for life, I should just be calm and happy right?

How can you be against the removal of the clitoris and for circumcision? How can you honestly feel that these people are ignorant and backwards yet support the same procedure for men in our country?

Did you ever consider that maybe they feel the same way about female clitoris removal that we do about male circumcision?

If you don't support mutilation, how can you support circumcision?

If you don't support circumcision, why in the -fuck- do you not give it the same weight as the removal of the clitoris?

Hm, no. Male circumcision began as a hygenic tool to keep the sand out of the urethra. Over time it became socially acceptable. I can see the argument on this one coming... How come female circumcision is so horrifying? Because it is extremely painful, invasive, and serves no purpose except to control a woman's sexuality... or to control period. That is wrong. Parents have a choice on wether or not to circumcize their baby boys... Would you ever consider to do the same to your baby girl?

Sorry, parents do not always have the option to choose whether or not to circumcise their sons. Doctors will even perform circumcision without asking the parents. They do the same thing with children who are both with both female or male organs. They decide based on which is more prevalent and take actions on choosing either gender.

Circumcision is bad for women AND men. It does nothing.

I don't know what circumcised male you've talked to...but I highly doubt it curves sexual feelings.

Ummmm... really? Did you think about this before you said it? I'm pretty sure my circumsized boyfriend is really happy sexually- and i'm equally as sure that i would not be if someone cut me up. Honestly, this lack of info on the human body is astounding.

Anglcazn- I don't know if you have kids or not or what country you live in, but I had to pay $300 and schedule an appointment with a different doctor to have my son circumcised. His Father wanted it done, I didn't have a preference. I know there have been cases in some states where doctors have proceeded to do the circumcision and then just add it to the medical bill, but that is not okay and is not a common practice. That doctor should be sued for malpractice. You should avoid making general assumptions based on case by case scenarios. :)

Many people without their clitoris are perfectly capable of orgasm, what's your point?

Oh right, you don't have one. As evidenced by your saying "this lack of info on the human body." Last time I checked, the foreskin was a natural part of the human body that is cut off for no medical reason. Ignorance is not an argument.

The foreskin has over 50,000 nerve endings in it and circumcision is an utterly pointless procedure. It was started in the U.S. for the purpose of preventing male masturbation.

Can you actually argue in favor of circumcision? Do you actually even know anything about it? Or are you just arguing for the stake of status quo?

You don't know how it feels. You can only speculate on very small amount of evidence. You're guess as to how it feels without is nowhere near God knowledge and therefore just as worthless.

And would you make that same argument for the removal of the clitoris JJ? I think not.

In fact, that argument is useless in any situation. Because I don't know everything I know nothing? Come back when you actually have something to say.

Give me a REASON why we should continue to do circumcision. Do you have one?

No, you don't. You just can't accept the fact that your culture is as stupid ass theirs.

No, I don't know exactly how it would feel if I actually had one. I do know that I can have sex for hours and not orgasm though. Regardless of that, why in the fuck SHOULD it be cut off? Especially after it's been proven to reduce sexual pleasure AND was STARTED for that reason?

Stop wasting my time with this stupid bullshit.

The only way this would be the same is if you were to chop off the entire head of the penis.

Not. the. same. thing.

Stop defending sickness.

wow, scary. do the Egyptians who perform this ritual on their children see a purpose to it? is it anything more than an out of date practice?

the cultures that practice female circumcision do it because they think it controls their women's undesired sexual advances on men. but it is okay for men to rape their women whenever they want. research this topic and you will learn that many women in these cultures have been raped by their own husbands on many occasions.

it appears that they do not value their women at all, and see them as nothing more than a servant for a man.