Unpredictable partners show warning signs of domestic abuse?
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The charity said although most women recognised physical abuse, other subtler forms of control, such as telling women what they can wear, aren't recognised as abusive behaviour but they can escalate into violence.
The organisation also called on the government to do more preventative work by targeting young people in schools.
According to the Home Office two women in England and Wales are killed by their partner or ex-partner every week and the most recent British Crime Survey reported around 12.9m incidents of domestic abuse against women.
But a spokeswoman for Refuge said the campaign is not only aimed at those in abusive relationships but also women who may need to make informed decisions about future partners. The charity said a slap or a shove could escalate into brutal beating and murder and recognising early signs would save lives.
Women also need to be better educated about domestic violence issues: 87% said they had received no information about domestic violence at school and wished they had done so.
What do you think crosses the line? Possessiveness? Jealousy? Relentless criticising? Control-freakery masquerading as concern? Making threats? Emotionally blackmailing you into sex? A push or a grab? Where do you draw the line?
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regjoeschmo
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If DV isnt gender biased then why are the laws??? Prosecute proveable false allegations and only then can we adequately protect the true victims of DV
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regjoeschmo
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eldamon
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This works both ways, there are unstable, manipulative needy women that stalk and terrorize their partners just as pervasively. The story should be told from an equal and balanced footing and realize the issue is with insecure people of either gender.
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eldamon
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damnneargenius
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Beware of people who sleep around with both sexes, they are quite likely very screwed up, confused, or using an unhealthy amount of drugs.
Well, that's just what I noticed while observing people back when I had a nightclub.
Behavior like that raises red flags left and right that almost always lead back to very bad childhood experiences and very unstable futures relationship-wise.
Damn, I keep thinking the "news" that gets posted on this site comes from relatively "normal" sources, but the deeper you look the more you realize it is often people on the fringe pushing their personal agendas.
In the context of a "normal" relationship this article has relevance. In the context of being posted by a person with a promiscuous bi-sexual lifestyle, it is even hard to understand how it's relevant.
People who appear normal one minute can quickly turn out to be totally screwed up in the head.
But hey, as long as you're being completely open and honest with people, more power to you.
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damnneargenius
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flabiola
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i am scared of being blind one day and not realizing i'm in this position... though i am pretty sure i disqualify anyone at any of these signs.
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flabiola
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keeshii768
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i wonder what the statistics are for men who show these signs of domestic abuse who had fathers who were abusive to their mothers
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AntiFacistCanuck
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teach your children well
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ambulantic
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Next time on "NO SHIT".
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ambulantic
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Anyone aware of the symptoms of manic depression will find the example in this article of a man who is charming one minute, and agressive the next rather curious. It's curious because it's a dead ringer for someone who might just suffer from a mental illness. Should this be a reason to heap another stigma upon the mental health community to make them social outcasts, because of generalized findings without foundation? If I hadn't had a bit of coffee this morning, I might think someone was trying to make a case for justifying the Iraq war.
We should be very careful in looking for another scapegoat, potentially within the mental health community, to blame all of society's ills for. I thought most of us had grown tired of being slaves to fear which had no basis while enduring this administration? Well then, don't fall for the same smoke and mirrors again. If you haven't noticed a friend, or someone within your own family struggle with mental illness, you don't know how hard life can be until you've met one of these people. I'm not trying to minimize the problem of women and violence, but I am trying to advocate caution in inadvertently victimizing an entire community of people who do not need any more problems than they already have by being ostracized either. And let's not forget, violence is not a problem entirely exclusive to men. And women are not without their own personal dysfunctions. But judging by the legal system, it's difficult to tell at times.
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Lerxst
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Vierotchka
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Lerxst:
Manic depression and abusive behaviour in relationships are not mutually exclusive - they are frequently found together. People with Bipolar Disorder have even been known to murder their partners.
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Vierotchka
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Lerxst:
and otherwise completely sane people have been known to murder their partners too, so wtf
Lerxst has an entirely valid point. Bi-polar disorders don't stereotypically predispose those to violence although they may often incite it for their abberant behavior and "unpredictable" attitudes. heh...as a matter of fact, Lerxst, are you thinking what I'm thinking? =P hehehe
...and just in case you're too lazy to read it:
Question: What is the relationship between bipolar disorder and violence?
Dr. Igor Galynker answers the question: 'Bipolar Disorder And Violence?'Answer: There is a relationship between bipolar disorder and violence. As there is a relationship between severe mental illness and violence in general. *****The majority of people with bipolar disorder are not violent.*****[emphasis mine] And those people who are, are typically in the midst of either a manic or depressive episode and drinking or using drugs. In fact, the majority of violent acts are committed when people are acutely ill and when they are drinking in the context of substance abuse.
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Lerxst:
"Violent episodes by individuals with untreated schizophrenia and bipolar disorder have risen dramatically, now accounting for 1,000 homicides annually (out of a total of 16,000 murders) in the United States."
http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/generalresources/Fact4.htm
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Vierotchka
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Beware any partner who doesn't treat you the way you feel you deserve, nomatter what it is. For example, I don't appreciate irrationality coupled with constant shouting/screaming. Especially not when the signal is being told "I can feel my mood changing" (i.e. you'd better stop talking or I'm going to start irrationally shouting and screaming).
Anyway, what I mean is: friends don't treat friends like crap. End of.
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Vierotchka
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Beware of men who weep (with tears) after sex. This is a sure sign of a man who is a tyrant, as I discovered too late.
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echoz
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LindseyIgnoramu's own veiled misandry "masquerading as concern" is pathetically inciteful and clearly divisive. "violence, possessiveness, jealousy, relentless criticizing, (et. al that bullshit) where do you draw the line?" how phukn rhetorical can you get! That's a question for anyone who doesn't have common sense.
Wisdom would say in any *viable* relationship, there is always more than ONE side to an issue, and if SOME were more honest than their prejudice they might just tell you that. but there's always this phuktop misandric tip to Lindsey's posts BEGGING for balance that's never forthcoming from someone who probably has or is developing serious lesbian tendencies, and needs some reason to justify them apparently (again, talk about "masquerading").
One should remember that silence and denial is in equal fact a more frequent form of feminine demoralization and emasculation of effective masculinity that goes ill-mentioned, as many more men are privy to in various and more extreme shades in this modern day of "feminine equality" and alleged "sameness." I'd rather suggest that none of us who consider ourselves respectully well-adjusted should fail to heed the great historian Jacob Burckhardt, who said, "beware the terrible simplifiers" (like Lindsey).
Remember too, the verse about how it is better to live on a corner of a rooftop than in a house with a contentious woman...
And then with that in mind, try to imagine if Lindsey had the creativity or the imagination to post on what it takes to make a good relationship, fair, enjoyable, and genuinely equitable. (Still it might just be too much for her self-defeating attitude...nothing worse than a professional victim...I'm tellin' ya)
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echoz:
There's more than just a hint of misogyny in your post...
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echoz:
oh? coming from someone who feels it's relevant and necessary to warn women about men who "weep after sex"? =D my gawd! wtf is that??? pfff...whatever. I really don't care to hear your explanation. mho? You didn't find out too late, you're just late, period. Like I said, common sense, people... just keep that steady supply of batteries and that silver vibrator comfortably within arm's reach, eh? comfort yourself the way YOU know how. =D lol (sorry...couldn't resist, especially when even you know it's true)
"don't go away mad
just go away" --Motley Crue - 3 years ago
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echoz:
That's what is written in a large medical dictionary - a man weeping after sex in the early stages of a relationship is indeed a telling sign that he is a tyrant, whether you like it or not. Furthermore, your response to my remark tends to indicate that you yourself are an abuser.
Oh, and I don't have or need a vibrator, my wonderful husband keeps me fully satisfied and happy.
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echoz:
what was it that got you? the duracells? =D or that I had that silver dildo down? =D hehe ah tsk...nevermind and screw your negativity. be kind enough to realize when you're just being an irritating rump...and, that large medical dictionary makes you an expert? =) ...AH-HUH! ;) you keep on reading...I'm sure you'll find a lot more disorders to twist on your sick whim and aspersion.
and didn't I say something about professional victims? yeah...the worst! One can't say shit, much less the truth....cuz, remember, it's the truth that often hurts, doesn't it. and some sickos would love to make that a 'violent' crime...*sigh* sick, i tell you. sick.
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echoz:
erm, i think the idea is to respond to a news story, not to an individual poster. why so angry, echoz?
hehe, because i post news stories that relate to women and i'm interested in all human beings being treated equally i get accused of developing lesbian tendencies! how shocking and awful that would be. as it happens i sleep with and love both men and women, so i guess you're right about me getting all gay. gross, eh?
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huntre
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Any of the listed can happen when someone takes another for granted.
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MEN??? WHAT ABOUT WOMEN? THE ARE FEMAE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ABUSERS ALSO.
ALSO, LET ME TELL YA THERE ARE SOME NASTY WOMEN OUT THERE THAT USE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE LAWS AS A WEPOND TO FRAME AND HURT MEN !!
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ciregg222:
Yeah, we know. Women can take men for granted too. Women can hide the keys to a man's car so he can't leave, take the children and threaten him with them, insult him, etc. But women taking men for granted doesn't make the news nearly as much, on account of men batter women far more often.
Since you feel so strongly, can you provide some actual information on times men have been domestically abused by women?
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ciregg222:
How about men being accused of domestically abusing women when they haven't? There are psycho women who use the power of the law to get guys in trouble simply because they are angry. Absolutely terrifying.
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ciregg222:
One of my brother's coworkers tried to pull that shit,and he wasn't even interested in her. They almost put him in jail for absolutely nothing. I still don't even know why she did that.
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ciregg222:
plenty of info here on the realities of DV and false allegations........
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I think it's easy for people to really know abuse now days. They know the signs (the obvious ones not the ones listed that are subtle) and they can see it coming and if they have the right mindset with the right group of good friends they can avoid creeps like that.
However, there is a form of abuse that is bad but not noticeable. It's the controlling abuse. Where the man tells the woman (in a non threatening or abusive way that is apparent) how she isn't smart enough or strong enough to sustain life without him and how he is far more important than her family or friends and he brainwashes her so much that she shuts people out of her life. On top of that he controls her with affection or lack their of. And it happens to women that are so loyal that they wait for his affection instead of going out and getting it from somewhere else....even if they do receive offers through flirting from other men.
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I think some married men or women who become abusive towards their spouses because they want some of sense of control so use someone who they know that is less superior to them
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princess_nay_nay:
Because they were controlled or are being controlled somewhere in their life.
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princess_nay_nay:
True True. So grind your teeth and let them pic the movies instead of the fights. That would be a small step at least.
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i saw a guy punching a woman outside a night club a cpl years back, i kicked the crap outa him, he was twice my size and age too :D ended up in a police station then court and i was almost jailed cause his partner didnt press charges and they accused me of starting the whole thing, what a mofucker!
and ironically at the time of the fight me and my partner we having also a disagreement but difference i sat her down on a bench and talked it through.
guys who hit girls are weak and if you find yourself in the situation then hit them with something hard be it a fist or a frying pan let them know that they are the bitch :D - 3 years ago
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Sounds simplistic but..
I think many, but not all, of these problems can be traced to pharmaceutical drugs.
look at some of these side effects and think of them in combination.
Here's a patient complaint from PAXIL:
electric "jolts" feeling in head, weight loss, anger I would not recommend that anyone EVER take this medication! It landed me in the hospital for 3 weeks with a diagnosis of bipolar mania. It made me realize what a mess our medical system is and how poorly people who need help are treated. No trust in our system at this point.
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CarolynGillis:
Well, look at how agressive the drug industry markets over there.. (in the US)
It only takes 5 minutes of watching commercials in north american TV and you are bombarded with symptoms and why you should ask your doctor if the drug du jour is right for you.
I've never taken prescription in my life and I intend to keep it that way for as long as I really don't need any. If you ask me, ADD, ADHD, Acid Reflux, Sleeping medication etc is unnecessary.
To be honest, I think the companies are trying to make hypochindriacs of everybody so they keep buying and buying. Wouldn't be surprised if the drugs themselves are shady and in fact do contribute on increase in (uncontrollable) anger.
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because of the abusive, physical, mental & sexual, relationship that i was exposed to from the age of 5 till i left at 16, between my mom and step'father' - i have not been able to completely engage in a rewarding relationship. i was never exposed to the concept therefore did not learn the behavior. i never learned how to completely trust, anyone. My mom did not defend me and he was a total control freak, abusive and cruel.
i have had several relationships, some long term, with some wonderful fellows but i was always sure in the back of my mind that they were temporary and consequently, they always were. so now, in my 50's, i am alone and claiming it. i have moments where i think i should have had kids and would now be playing with my grandkids, etc etc. but in a minute i have forgotten all about that and relish my privacy once again. when i feel the urge to quench my maternal instincts, i have nieces & nephews & cousins and bunches of extended family members who have taken on the job of ensuring the survival of the human race by procreating and i go visiting to interact and 'get that fix'. it is good, and i am not a lonely old 'maiden aunt' type. just a crazy old hippie chick that they all think is the absolute coolest!
spousal abuse is a monster issue that is not, even in this day of instant exchange of information, solvable. many factors are involved in answering the 'why' the greatest of which, i believe, is conditioning. what we learn at the youngest ages, male or female, is what stays with us for life and if we are conditioned to obey as women or dominate as men, then abuse is inevitable.
human interaction is necessary for someone to be rescued from an abusive situation whether it be the abused or the abuser.
if you know someone, reach out and help them to understand that it does not have to be that way.
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shine0854:
Abuse rarely ever just affects the one the abuse is aimed towards. The byproduct of your parents inability to share what love really was altered how you could have been and what you could have had.
I respect how you've come to the conclusion of where you are and appreciate the line of thinking that comforts you even when you have thoughts of what if.
Some people take rotten situations and flip them into something livable and others use them to fuel their determination to destroy. It is an awesome and inspiring blessing that you are the former.
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My sis's beau exhibits a few of these signs. I can't stand the guy. He's very possessive and jealous, yet he cheats on her. Also I think he's a "cutter", and a puncher of refrigerators And he calls her incessantly for lame, shit reasons, drives my parents nuts, especially my dad. I only hope she realizes his lameness and leaves him.
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natenate:
Don't be surprised how blind love is. My best friend dated a guy for six months and everyone (even her family) started to question what he was all about. I was the only one that said something to her.
She ended up marrying him and he flirted with every single girl...even in front of her and he was possessive as well.
She's not allowed to talk to me....forbidden and that has to do with our history together and less about me saying what I did. She said that every time they talked about me they'd argue and that was the only time they ever argued. And I wanted to say that was the only time you actually had a different opinion.
There are some things you just can't replace.
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I draw the line at anything that seems like I'm being treated as a possession instead of as a human partner. Which includes all of the above.
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I don't think it's as easy as saying people who show these early signs will necessarily be violent. None the less, these early signs are abusive in themselves. I think what is important here is for the women to recognise this early on and start either working with their partner to address the issues (therapy, counseling, etc) or get out of the relationship before the effects are detrimental.
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I was married to a very abusive man for way to long. he was abusive in everyway you can imagine. Till one time i woke up in the middle of the night while i was sleeping getting the crap beat out of me , just because he was drunk and high on drugs , that was enough for me to say screw this I'm gone.. left got a divorce and went and made my life better in soooooooo many ways. now i am not afraid to lay my head down to sleep at night.. the sad part of it all was i did love the idiot
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Bren589:
Alcohol abuse is the major factor. I'm glad you got away from that %dkjdi23x and found yourself. It may have escalated into something horrible. I hope the idiot is sleeping in his vomit
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Bren589:
Thanks world peace . I am a much better person today then i could have ever been if i would have stayed..I was almost killed by this man and the law did nothing to help..
But I have put it all behind me and making a better way in life. and i am happy now - 3 years ago
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Bren589:
That's not sad to have loved him or still love him. Glad you got away and are feeling better about life.
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Bren589:
Perhaps you loved the man you wanted him to be, not the man he was.
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Bren589:
Vierotchka hit the nail on the head. I will also add that it is not real love unless it is given in return.
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These forms of abusiveness are everywhere. Being isolated from family and friends, or made to be financially dependent, are especially severe and damaging. The control-freak and sexual blackmail, constant insults, etc., I feel are more common and less difficult to dodge.
Does anybody else think that girls growing up without good father figures is a cause for falling into domestic abuse? I do. Maybe I'm being too personal, but I think I'm onto something.
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s0und0FF:
I think that you're absolutely onto something. If not a father some form of a male mentor. Someone that treats the mother as a person. Men have to set an example, a mini society if you will. The woman has to be an equal partner. One of the harshest critisisms I could give to my daughters was "We don't act like that". They knew that they were being told that the family excepted better behavior on their part. It also works pretty good with grandsons. The more confidence a person has in their place in the world, the less likely that they will view themselves a victim.
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s0und0FF:
I disagree.
I've seen my father only a couple of times in my life, and I have no need to enter an abusive relationship because I feel the need for daddy. In fact, I'm in a very happy reltionship with someone who couldn't be more different than the guy.
What might be of a factor is the fact that my mother is a very, very strong and independant woman, and so is my grandmother. If the women of your family set an example and don't allow themselves to be pushed around, that's enough to plant the seed in a girl's conscience.
What would you rather have, a father figure who is abusive or a kickass mom who doesn't take crap?
I'll take the latter any day.
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s0und0FF:
I'd rather have a kickass mom, too. No doubt. :) But having an abusive father is very different from having no father at all.
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partner abuse is terrifying and relentless. It is so subtle that it is hard to pick up it is him and not you.....
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One of the warning that I didn't notice was trying to isolate you from your family and friends. The first thing a predator does is try to cut the prey from the herd. Never go out alone or with people you aren't well aquainted with. Look out for each other. If you party, have a reliable friend looking out for you.
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bluestranger:
Yap. That's a very BIG sign that is subtle. I've seen it happen to a friend and she thinks it's nothing...but even if there is no physical or mental abuse that is in your face it's still a form of controlling and that is abusive even if not legally.
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"Possessiveness? Jealousy? Relentless criticising? Control-freakery masquerading as concern? Making threats? Emotionally blackmailing you into sex? A push or a grab?"
I've seen all of those, either personally or in friends relationships, most of the good enough relationships too.
The relentless criticising i saw was probably the worst, it looked like it would really break you down.
i suppose each relationship is unique though.
I think people should keep a mental check box of "stay with this person till something better comes along" and a lot of the above really should edge a person into that box.
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malathion
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Lindigo , the only way to be sure you aren't being abused is by never having sex with the same person twice .
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malathion:
Too funny!
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malathion:
OK, now THAT was hilarious.
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