Community | August 07, 2008 | 61 comments

Cars will run on water

source: http://maxlindberg.greenoptions.com/2007/05/21/the-perfect-hydrogen-vacation/

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"...Hunt spent a year and a half working in his garage before taking his new fuel concept project to college officials who liked what they saw, and funded a lab with all the materials needed to continue the work. Hunt formed the CSC Inventors Club, and was joined by several like-minded students who developed working bench models of his system.

What’s the secret? It's hydrogen gas, extracted from those six gallons of water by plasmatic induction, and fed to the motor as a gas to power the engine. When hydrogen burns, it gives off water, which is fed back to that six gallons; the only thing coming out the tailpipe is hot air. It's all perfectly safe: you'll never re-create the Hindenburg disaster in the car. I know, water in the gas tank, it's been done before but stay with me here…

Can this work? Yes. Jim says they have internal combustion engines running on hydrogen gas produced by the energy conversion system in the lab. In June, the students will retrofit a 1991 Chevy Cheyenne 4×4 pickup to begin road testing the system. First they'll tour the Carl Sandburg campus until they receive permission to operate a non-conventional fuel-powered vehicle on city and state thoroughfares.

Is anyone really interested? Hunt says the program manager of GM’s (that’s General Motors) Fuel Cell Technology Development Division contacted him, requesting more information. In a story from Galesburg’s Register-Mail newspaper, Hunt told reporter John R. Pullium that three Fortune 500 companies have contacted him, along with several investors and possible sponsors. In his latest communication to me, Jim said he’s received inquiries from individuals concerning expanded uses for the system, such as fuel to generate electric power for small communities. "We have started to take on private investors" he said "to help raise money for research and development of our final prototype".

How much would it cost to retrofit your vehicle? Hunt figures about $2000. Will it fit in your car? Sure, he says: just replace your fuel tank with his recovery system, add water and drive away. The only thing you’ll change are some non-lethal carbon rods, about once a year. They’ll cost somewhere in the range of what you’d pay for gasoline in one month of driving.

Will it work? Will he get his patent, and will his dream survive the anticipated onslaught from big oil corporations and other interests who’d rather not see this type of energy generation system take hold? In another Register-Mail article, Hunt is quoted as saying, “I’d like to see the world benefit” and added, “I am fearful of the bad guys in the background.” Today, he feels his future is looking up, happy that he’s apparently managed to break the hydrogen safety barrier. "

here is another link with a radio interview.
http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/04/14/safe-hydrogen-fuel-system-using-water-prov...
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61 comments // Cars will run on water

  • Achgelis222
  • wisher40
  • nata0204
  • vladbox
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      vladbox  

    • The truth is that anything that will produce combustion in the chamber with comparable octane power is good to go. The problem here is that we keep trying to reinvent hot water. The combustion engine MUST go, cylinders must go, explosion must go. There has to be a technology that can move a vehicle without producing an explosion.

    • 3 years ago
  • CaptB
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      CaptB  

    • This is the future.

      The difference between oil and water is, once the oil is used up it creates carbon emissions. Whereas, water is everywhere. H20 is abundant. There will be no water shortage like someone proposed up above. Desalinization plants may cost us in the future. I also see water being the new gasoline and water companies charging more for water.

      I wonder if the gov't will restrict people from collecting rain water like a California Bank did in South America. It was actually illegal for people to catch rain water.

    • 3 years ago
  • darkhorsejim
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  

    • What I am hoping for it is a combination of Water, Solar, Air, Electric engine. Whatever is available that is the way to go. That way we will avoid a future speculative market on transportation energy. End of war, end of the bad people driving this Country and the World dangerous crazy.

    • 3 years ago
  • SDLN
  • lukeskywalker
  • documenTerry
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      documenTerry  

    • I wish someone would dig up some dirt on all the great alternative energy ideas that were snatched away from society by the oil conglomerates and others over the past 30 years and hidden away or destroyed. How many lives were taken in the interest of protecting corporate industries' future markets and monopolies. This would be the scoop of the decade!

    • 3 years ago
  • uroborus8
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      uroborus8  
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    • Running cars on water is a terrible idea. Humans, plants, and animals need water to survive. There are already water shortages. The last thing we need to do is further deplete this vital resource for automobiles.

      [pictured: Lake Meade in Nevada. Provides water to most of the Southwest. Water levels are down 125 feet in the last 5 years.]

    • 3 years ago
  • stopnoise
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      stopnoise  
    • uroborus8:

      The idea would be desalinate the water from the ocean where there is in abundance and build channels to bring it to the most devastated areas. Also these areas would learn a lot if they plant more trees. Believe or not but trees are the major sources of building rain clouds.

    • 3 years ago
  • Abamanation
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      Abamanation  

    • There is nothing new here .... This concept has been around for over 40 years.

      The main issue here is that you CANNOT extract hydrogen fast enough to run a car. If he has figured it out then GREAT.... but most likely not.

      While you currently cant run your car on water you can fairly easily use this concept to make a gas / Hydrogen hybrid.

      Hell as a matter of fact I am already using this concept in both my cars. One is a '95 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 ltr. I currently get 24 to 26 mpg on the highway average 23mpg city/highway. Big deal you say? Well it sure is when you consider that unmodified it gets 15mpg city and 18 highway ... If you do the math on a 22gal tank that gives me ~396 miles unmodded and 572miles running in hybrid mode.

      I also have a 96 Nissan 200sx 1.8 ltr that I just installed a system in. Currently Im getting 42mpg ... not a big increase from the standard 36mpg that I was getting before but then again... I'm still tuning the system and engine... I'm expecting to get that number up around 50mpg.

      If I can get that then all I have to say is "fuck all of you righteous Prius drivers. I get the same performance for 1/10th the price.

      I can almost see it now ... Like an MC commercial.

      96 Nissan .... $600
      A little bit of "know how" and a hydrogen extraction system .... $1300

      Getting the same or BETTER gas mileage as your average Prius driver ...... Priceless!

    • 3 years ago
  • VSiskos
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      VSiskos  

    • I'm sorry to say this, but why do you need one specific investor? That's where things are going wrong with all of these ideas. He's telling us that the idea works and will be tested soon, and he seems positive that the tests will be successful.

      If they're successful, then put all the plans on the web for everyone to see. Letting one company control the idea is what gets us in all these damn messes to begin with. If he allows anyone to use the idea, then that'll create REAL competition. All the auto companies in the world would be trying to be first out the door with water fueled cars!! And they'd be trying to top each other which would then create more efficient and better featured vehicles.

      I'm so tired of these scientists who have all figured this out, yet they're waiting on the highest bidder. If you want to help the planet, let everyone use the technology. Only then will we have a true competitive environment that'll allow for real change in this arena.

    • 3 years ago
  • taintedview
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      taintedview  
    • VSiskos:

      he could just build a factory, or convert an old one, and sell water systems to the car manufacturers, and to the public so they can convert the cars already out there. something like that.

    • 3 years ago
  • Robroy1
  • HiImGuss
  • elegua
  • ultravphunter
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      ultravphunter  

    • I like the idea of cleaner emissions, but I don't like the idea of using something vital for fuel. I don't like the idea of ethanol made from corn, because you are taking food that other people need to drive around. This kind of seems like it could be the same deal.

    • 3 years ago
  • neocongo
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      neocongo  

    • I can find no credible sources that validate this articles claim. Those available are old and sparse.

      This article is claiming something quite fantastic and able to do the seeming impossible.

      A fundamental scientific law, The Law of Energy Conservation states that the energy being used to create the hydrogen and oxygen can only equal the energy one gets from burning the hydrogen and oxygen.

      If one were to have created an engine like this, that could get extra power from the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen, then essentially, one has created a perpetual motion machine.

      Assume this is a hoax until some credible sources can explain the workings of the wonderful creation.

    • 3 years ago
  • taintedview
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      taintedview  

    • if this works, as it appears to, this type system could be used as an energy plant also. in place of coal or natural gas and power desalinization plants. also, this can run off of tap water, and they have a firetruck running around on this system.

    • 3 years ago
  • Mark701
  • lmahan
  • Mark701
  • taintedview
  • J_Jammer
  • Dr_Dank_Thumb
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      Dr_Dank_Thumb  

    • its called an ocean people! are you serious? next idea please? talk about some stupid narrow minded BS. it says water, not only fresh water but water. sea water does work just as good as fresh water. wtf, its not like now bottled water will go into higher demand because it doesnt have to be drinkable water!! and read the damn story before you blubbler out your comments its a closed system! only hot air comes out the pipe!

    • 3 years ago
  • onechance
  • reidanderes
  • gentjim
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      gentjim  

    • a response to the water concern ,the world still has the same amount of water,we just haven't maintained organic soil health, which helps retain fresh water for aquifers, localize water resource management and rehabilitation projects,community educational programs, hire from the community that benefits from it.make it part of the culture,
      make it that important, water....every last drop...
      all is water and earth,
      join minds now,
      return to earth,
      now ,
      it needs you.

    • 3 years ago
  • Cuddlebones
  • regularrf
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      regularrf  

    • This sounds like it will work ,will it ever see daylight
      not if greed takes over.The children twenty years
      from now should be reading this in history books
      as of right now nothing good has happened in a long long time,at least 8 years.

    • 3 years ago
  • JanforGore
  • reidanderes
  • rightbrain
  • onechance
  • Mark701
  • stopnoise
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  

    • Is anyone actually reading this story? The water used in the chemical process is fed back into the original six gallons of fuel water. It's a closed reactor system folks.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
  • T_Rose
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      T_Rose  
    • rightbrain:

      yes, the system uses those carbon rods somehow to power a system that electrocutes the water, producing oxygen and hydrogen. Then you combine them and they explode, creating water again. The only thing you'd need to replace is the carbon rods.

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • rightbrain:

      "What’s the secret? It's hydrogen gas, extracted from those six gallons of water by plasmatic induction, and fed to the motor as a gas to power the engine. When hydrogen burns, it gives off water, which is fed back to that six gallons; the only thing coming out the tailpipe is hot air."
      Chemistry is wonderful isn't it?

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
  • shonoffilm
  • onechance
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  

    • Edit : Having been explained that this system does not throw away excess water, I support it completely. The idea is ingenious as long as those carbon rods aren't expensive and don't need to be replaced often.

    • 3 years ago
  • vintage_nouveau13
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • Saladin:

      Negative Nancys are everywhere.....

      ....Next idea?

      Every idea there will be someone who whines. Water makes up 75% of this planet. Water shortages happen because the governments are slow at making sure there is clean water. Make them make sure there is....the oil companies would benefit from this by creating fast and efficient desalinization technology.

      Of course that is bad idea for many reasons....but they have the money to make it happen, why not put it to good use?

    • 3 years ago
  • Mark701
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      Not this shit again.

      No Jammer, you just don't pay attention to how shit works.

      74% of that 75% is seawater, unusable water.

      And that 1% that we do have is hardly enough to sustain our large population.

      Why would we start using BILLIONS of gallons of water to fill up our cars when the resource is so precious?

      I've had enough of this whining bullshit.

      THINKING is not whining. Asking where in the hell the water is going to come from to fuel these things is not an unreasonable question.

      And just to refute this whining shit more, I'm all for carbon fiber electric cars. If we switch to totally renewable energy sources, we won't ever have to worry about fuel again.

    • 3 years ago
  • J_Jammer
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      J_Jammer [removed]  
    • Saladin:

      Yes. Do your idea because it's your idea...or what you deem to be right. Where do you compromise?

      Water is everywhere. The issue of it not being where it's needed is the fault of the people that govern not that there's not enough. Make enough plants that deal with the salt water the issue is solved.

      Stop acting like the using water is the Devil's handy work. You spout more things about OMG this is so wrong and don't give any thing to fill the holes you shred with your negative remarks.

      What he has done is fantastic and instead of admit that you have to go off on the OMG we are so going to run out of water, when that's not even possible if things are handled right.

      Water cycle works. Humans can't destroy that.

    • 3 years ago
  • eldamon
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      eldamon  

    • Alternative forms of energy for cars and alike have been around for decades. It isn't a matter of FINDING new forms of energy so much as implementing them despite the dogmatic grasp of the oil industry.

    • 3 years ago
  • HiImGuss
  • Eri_Soulja
  • rightbrain
  • 2010HOPE
    • 0
      2010HOPE  

    • I pray you succeed with that...because that will make the Money game very hard for the people on top, and level the playing field....AMEN to that..

    • 3 years ago
  • gentjim
  • MeganMcKenzie
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      MeganMcKenzie  

    • As I am reading this I am thinking it was good he made this public before GM or anyone else claims it s "theirs."
      Also wondering if it requires much water as that is going to be a scare resource as well. Now if only it could run on filtered grey water we would have the perfect system.

      I love seeing folks use their talent and creativity instead of giving in to doomsday thinking.

    • 3 years ago
  • good_stuff
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      good_stuff  

    • Can I retrofit my body to run off of water alone? I'm getting really tired of eating/paying for food. Maybe I'll contact him about the potential use of this technology for this purpose.

    • 3 years ago
  • squilla1123
    • 0
      squilla1123  

    • This is a great step if the technology can be made "consumer friendly", but something tells me that big oil and the antiquated US auto industry will never let it happen.They have alot to lose (oil especially) and their tendrils are permanently entwined in the fabric of the powers that be.They'll probably use industrial espionage to steal the idea and shelve it until the oil really runs out, and go on making ridiculous profits.

    • 3 years ago
  • MissAmanda
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