Obama says 'yes' to gay adoption

"unconditional love in an unconventional way." I like that!

The American Psychological Association, in a recent report reviewing the research, observed that "not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents," and concluded that "home environments provided by gay and lesbian parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children’s psychosocial growth." [8] That is why the Child Welfare League of America, the nation’s oldest children’s advocacy organization, and the North American Council on Adoptable Children say that gays and lesbians seeking to adopt should be evaluated just like other adoptive applicants.

Also from experience (being in a foster home for the 16 out of 19 of my life) I know your argument is moot. Every house I was at had a different perspective on things, not wrong or right. You're going to get it no matter where you are. But to discriminate against gay people, telling them they cannot have a child because they will turn the child gay is just idiotic. Not only does this alienate the couple from society, a child also misses out on parents.

"It's unusual to me, that "straight" people search out and appear in every gay themed article on current that pops up. Is this strange to anyone else?"

It's been happening so often, that it has indeed become the usual...sadly. Sometimes they'll even accuse you of "shoving it in your face" for simply making a valid argument against theirs.
I guess anyone enjoys a soapbox, particularly when they believe they have "God" behind them.

"Now we have people speaking to "cultures", which they obviously know little about, or the history thereof."

They only know about the last 60-70 years of their particular slice of culture from their particular country (which is obviously "The Way")...they have cultural blinders on, for the most part.

F#ck 'em. They may be blissful, but they're ultimately missing out on a wonderful little thing called awareness.
If their foolishness weren't affecting good people in the legal realm, I'd say let them wallow in their own filth. I wish I were arrogant enough to be omnipotent...I'd have a hell of a time at Wall Street.

Don't push you're values on other people, it is not very christian.

You continue to have no point in your comments. I spoke about Nature. If you don't have Family values, I'm sorry for you, every culture has them.

By the way, you were these Dreadlocks, I assume is plain fashion and has nothing to do with the Rastafarian Movement? I also assume you know these "dreads" are like the "beard" from Muslims, which represent a lot from their Religion?

Are you also aware that both Religions -fight- Homosexuality?

We Christians don't. We just don't want anyone breaking the Family Values, gay or non gay.

I call bullshit. And no I'm not rastifarian. The only point you need to here from me is that homosexuality is not wrong. And I did not say I did not have family values, you twisted my words. I merely said I do not have you hypocritical christian views.

Edit: congratulations on using Nature in your argument.

You are not addressing the problem of children in orphanages and foster homes. The people who "naturally" created them are long gone, so why can't gays raise them?

Homosexuality occurs in nature. Some scientists believe that they are an important non-breeding population that helps control over-population and, in the case of humans, adopt orphan children.

Please articulate your argument in a way that people can understand the most basic point you are trying to make.

Yeah seriously, wtf are you trying to say? There is no logic in your speech, so I simply cannot follow it.

The world would be a better place if people as ignorant and unwilling to assess the situation for what it is instead of convoluting the situation with your false idea of what is right and wrong.

You are not answering anything here. Please take a hike before stupidly addressing a real problem, which actually consists of real life and kids and their Psychological Development.

Why are you assuming gay parents will lie to their children? Why would two lesbian mothers be jealous if their son found a girlfriend? If a boy grows up in a an all male household, he still knows females exist and wouldn't be obsessed with only sharing the company of other boys. He'd be surrounded by girls in school and any time he ventures out of his home. He will see heterosexual relationships in movies and on television. He will not be kept in a box in which only males exist. You are just making all kinds of shit up.

I wish I had this one's ^^ eloquence.

lol. You really have no common sense

The ignorance here is YOU, as usual. Your logic, if you can even call it that, is deeply flawed.

"Even if you want to question it, it is Nature and that is the way it is, for a reason." - Well, nature obviously includes homosexuality, whether you like it or not, both in humans and a diverse mix of other animals as well.

Gay people are just as likely to teach their children good moral values, maybe even more likely because of all the discrimination they have faced in their lives.

Stop using "nature" as your excuse for everything, the nature argument never works because humans do "unnatural" things all the time, and nature itself is much more diverse and strange than you give it credit for.

you need to take Child Development and Developmental Psychology class because they will tell you otherwise.

anglcazn: My wife actually does this for a Living. You assume too much.

Do not come up with an statistic as stupid as this one. It's a boy or a girl, they don't fall into statistics until they have reached maturity.

What statistic are you talking about? it was a study.

petarro, It said more than "25 years of study" so I'm pretty sure that's enough time for someone to mature.

Do they ever have a choice? If the answer is no, all is even. If the answer is yes, still even.

"I'm on favor of everything in this world almost, unless it harms and includes other that have nothing to do with it."

Explain to me how it would be harmful.

1. Clearly the child will not "match" the Family that is adopting them. This is a high point when considering a "couple" when adopting.

2. The Child will obviously have questions and development issues as she/he besides needing to deal with new "home" also needs to deal with the Homosexuality and "different" way of living of the parents.

It is all about the Example and development of the Children.

First of all, you're argument is pretty much based around homosexuality being a crime (and yes I meant crime and not sin because morality is being legislated), Second, They are not going to be raised thinking homosexuality is the only way, just an option. Third, they are likely to be too young at the time of adoption to know what homosexuality is and throughout their life they are not going to be raised in a box, they will ultimately make their own decisions.

Why the hell do you capitalize random words? It's like you're trying to give extra significance to something in a way that makes absolutely no sense.

Sorry, gay parents do not make gay children. Because if that was the cause, straight parents will only create straight kids, right? Get your facts straight and stop using your ignorant and prejudicial mind.

anglcazn: If a percentage of Straight parents "get" Gay sons, imagine the amount of Gay Sons that Gay people will have!?

There is not evidence of gay parents raising gay children at a higher rate than straight parents.

Gay people do have kids of their own.

Lesbians may seek artificial insemination, or even conseave traditionally.

Gay men can go through a surrogate.

For many couples, adoption is what they prefer to do. Rather than create a new life, they would prefer to raise a life that already exists and needs a home and loving family.

Birds and bees lesson 101 concluded.

Way to get the joke, dude. Good job.

Why not let all the same sex partners males go to one island of their own and the females to another and give them one simple command...

Procreate!!!

Elifino-
That sounds a lot like segregation.

Are you slow in the head?
Merely omnipotent?
Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously when your perception of gay people and gay parents is so obviously bigoted/ ignorant/ prejudiced/ simple-minded?

Seriously - at least make an attempt to be informed about a subject before upchucking a steaming pile of feces.

(Now I've wasted two precious minutes giving your idiocy the dignity of a response, which I already regret.)

I live in a predominately gay area and I have a ton of gay friends and they know my sentiments on this subject. I am very upfront on how I feel.

I knew this lesbian family with a little girl and the girl was utterly miserable but loved me.

How can I not feel this way? I am a mother of a boy and a girl. And I also think a boy needs a father growing up. I think it is essential.
Maybe life isn't perfect for everyone and it certainly hasn't been for me either, my life's been very hard-- but I have strived for this picture perfect family I have and my children are incredibly happy. So I believe wholeheartedly in it.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
You either are homosexual and able to bear children or your gay which means you can't have children. That's your choice.

*I wrote this before you edited your response*

People living in an area like that are obviously not ready/ intending to adopt children - I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to, as they don't just toss toddlers off the back of a truck for anyone to scoop up.
There are screening procedures to determine whether or not the adopting parent is fit to raise a child, and the household healthy.

Also, I'm pretty sure that areas like that do not harbor the country's entire gay population (110% sure to be exact).

Why do you assume that every gay person wants to shop in those stores, or live that lifestyle, or even be promiscuous?
I f*cking HATE the term "gay culture," particularly when it is applied to what you just mentioned - my cultural background is middle class Irish-American, not disco sparkles.
Assuming so-called "gay culture" is something all gay people embrace or even remotely subscribe to is simple-minded and prejudiced.
You are generalizing way too much.

You can't judge this based on your experience with one family - and I won't even get into the fact that IT'S NOT A DAMNED CHOICE.
Everyone has it hard enough without certain groups dictating the lives of others based on their malformed opinions.

Ridiculous stereotypes much?

A lot of those kids would be in group homes if they weren't adopted by their gay parents. I think gay parents can do better than group homes or the foster care system.

In my experience, parents don't generally approach the subject of sexuality to their children at all.

Why so bitter?

cmon now you know that if those muslim ladies were near obama..Fox and all those other parasites would jump on it and try to connect him to being muslim and blow it way out of proportion..so dont go there!

Many parents are great.

May be not yours. So do not generalise

In so called gay parenting one of the parent is eliminated at the beginning.

How atrocious , selfish and heartless

Poor child

Solei10- Your argument is shitty. Plenty of people grow up with only one parent and turn out fine. Your idea that a child will not turn out OK because they have two parents of the same sex is ludicrous. It is far more important that they grow up with stable caring people supporting them throughout their life than it is for those two people to have different sex organs. I think not allowing homosexual people to adopt children who need loving parents is not only atrocious, selfish and heartless- it's bigoted idiocy.

Great icon chickenhawk.

I think most parents of serial killers, rapists, terrorists and vapid celebrities were abusive. If you delve into their pasts. So just because they are straight doesn't make them good. I don't think people are saying that because you are straight you will make a great parent.

Solei10-Again your argument is shitty. What do you mean one of the parents are eliminated? Do you believe that a gay couple that wants to raise a child has to con someone into helping them out and then split? I don't actual believe you believe that but I still can't honestly come up with what you meant by that. My sister (who is gay) is planning on raising a child with her partner, but having her friend (also gay) impregnate her. That is one way to do it. Adopting is another and last but not least a sperm bank. I'm also not sure what point you were trying to get off about the generalization the original poster made. He was simply stating that heterosexual parents have the same ability to fuck up their children, why not let homosexuals raise a child? Where was the generalization?

People who have grown with one parent because one died or left did not grow up fine. They had extra challenges and struglles.

Go to a prison and see the devastation of single parenting. Most men inmates will tell you they did not have a father in their life.

I do not agree with the rest of you post. What makes a man and a woman is not just a different sexual organ

to Soleil10

I agree with you that most men in prison may or did not have a father figure growing up as you say. But you also have to take into consideration the environment they grew up with. You cannot just state and rely on the fact that because they didn't have a father figure in their life.. it made them who they are.

Maybe, what made them who they are today (placed them in prison) is because of the friends they grew up with (could be criminals), his mother could have been a drug addict (fighting the drug environment his entire life), or his neighborhood could have been the one where you are surrounded by gangsters and not only that but you are also facing poverty. These are just examples of why these men, who are in prison that had no father figure growing up, landed in prison. You cannot just say that because they didn't have a father figure it made them who they are solely. There are other factors.

Nobody grows up to be gay. It's biological. Sorry, straight parents don't always raise straight kids. Though there are research that suggest a male and female role model, it is not needed.

"Are they going to assume the child is straight, what morals and values will they teach it?"
Now, what i want to ask what the hell are you implying? Are you implying that they may influence the judgement of children to decide what is moral and what is not. Are you suggesting the gays do not have values? Now isn't that prejudice?

Children who grow up with gay fathers or lesbian mothers grow up healthy and happy. And that is what matters.

I'm totally against it.
But I liked your post.
I'm for the most part a conservative person that alot of people including yourself, will not like the opinion of in general.
But... I just had to respond to your post here, especially after reading the first response you got.
I think you are presenting alot of good questions and I want to say to the first respondent...
I don't think he's implying anything. He's honestly asking a question and even makes clear he will not judge because he personally isn't sure of the implications.

If that's the case, then I apologize and will slightly back off =)

What does it matter if the child turns out to be gay? You are treating homosexuality like its evil which is the root of all the discrimination gay people have to deal with. They are people, and therefore others shouldn't tell them they are fit or unfit to raise a child unless.

"I know single mothers don't exactly represent the ideal scenario either, but is this as fair to a kid as potentially having a "normal" family?"

A: Better than having no family at all.

"what sex education are the gay parents going to give their children?"

A: Not even sure what you mean by "sex education." If you mean what I generally think of as "sex education," then that's just facts and they teach you that in school.

"And by "normal", I mean having a mother and father in the male and female roles that are required to reproduce in nature."

A: You know that having a married mother and father isn't exactly the norm anymore, right? And it hasn't always been the norm in other cultures, either. Male and female roles are not the same in all cultures. All a child needs is a caring, loving home, regardless of who provides it.

Are they going to assume the child is straight, what morals and values will they teach it?

A: Guess what, not everyone has the same values. Not even all gays. I'm assuming however that the children will come away with a certain degree of open-mindedness, which is always a good thing. Also sexual orientation of the child shouldn't affect how they treat him/her, so I don't see why they would need to consider whether or not the child is straight when teaching him or her morals and values.

How do you tell your son how to view women if you view them as a gay man?

A: As equals. Period. Beyond that you shouldn't be telling your son to view women in a certain way, except maybe not to be afraid of them (if he's used to living with all males, women will seem pretty foreign to him).

lol just like you thought kerry would save the world

This isn't about other people's feelings. It is about fairness, equality, and justice.

Just, no.

All the Americans I know like gays.

Really? Most of the Americans I know think they're sinners who are less than everyone else. For everyone who supports the community there's a dozen who vehemently don't.

Yay also!