Is McCain lifting passages from Solzhenitsyn?
source: http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/is-mccain-now-copying-solzheni.html
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Now it seems McCain may have lifted another story last night at megachurch pastor Rick Warren's Faith Forum. According to a very persuasive Daily Kos diary, the anecdote McCain told about a North Vietnamese prison guard making a cross in the dirt as a sign of solidarity -- or as he said, "just two Christians worshiping together" -- is very similar to a story about Alexander Solzhenitsyn and his times in the Soviet Gulags.
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Conniepae
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When is a lie a lie? If John McCain borrowed his answer from history, he was lying to us? He told the story as a first person, he wasn't talking about someone else.
If it was a true statement, it should show up in past campaign conversations? He would have referenced it in the past. Something so profound wouldn't have taken until 2008 to remember. Can anyone find where he referenced the Cross in the sand before Campaign '08?
When is a lie a lie? Move along, just a little lie, nothing to see here. Its okay, everyone does it? How are we ever going to get honesty back in America? Expose and shame the people who choose to lie on camera! There is only one answer to the question. Did John McCain tell the truth? Did it happen to him, or did he use it because he could? Shame should accompany an exposed fabrication of fact (lie). What are we teaching the children? Its okay to lie, if no one says shame on you, it is acceptable?
If John McCain has told the story before and it is fact, I humbly apologize for my mistrust. Trust, but verify is a rule to live by. How can his future stories be trusted, if it is proven he distorted the facts about the cross in the sand and no shame followed, why would he stop with that lie?
- 3 years ago
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Conniepae
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Conniepae
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Conniepae:
Brendan_M, thanks for the link.
- 3 years ago
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Conniepae
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Dmitri_Molotov
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...And everyone knows this article wouldn't have come up if Solzhenitsyn hadn't kicked the bucket a little while ago.
- 3 years ago
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Dmitri_Molotov
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JohnA
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Ha ha! And Obama has NEVER plagerized a speech or made up a story. He still telling that yarn about his father herding goats? Oh well, it's "just words". Too funny.
- 3 years ago
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JohnA
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Vierotchka
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Solzhenitsyn's story about the cross being drawn on the ground figures in his book "The Gulag Archipelago" which was released in the US in 1973.
- 3 years ago
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Vierotchka
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cocheezy
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Hell, look at Hillary Clinton and her little fib about her trip to Bosnia. Who was it that said you should never let a good story get in the way of the truth? These candidates must of taken that saying to the soul.
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cocheezy
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cocheezy
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cocheezy:
Check it out.
- 3 years ago
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cocheezy
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Vierotchka
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cocheezy:
She was quickly taken to task about this, it was all over the media - she later claimed that she "misspoke" about it. Yeah, right!
- 3 years ago
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka
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Yes, but has Obama used what he borrowed from other sources to make it look like a personal experience?
- 3 years ago
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Vierotchka
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asherp
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Vierotchka:
All of Obama's speeches are paraphrases of other famous speeches.
This is a total non-issue to me.
Eventually there are only so many things to say that haven't been said.
"Purple Monkey dish washing nipple machine."
There! Anybody who says that sentence in the future is stealing from me!
- 3 years ago
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asherp
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huntre
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Vierotchka:
Point well taken, "V".
- 3 years ago
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huntre
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asherp
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Vierotchka:
I'm not voting for either of them, I don't trust either of them for bigger reasons-- like the fact that they both want to maintain permenant military bases in Iraq, or that they both want to take my tax dollars and put them directly in the pockets of private insurance companies...
This petty stuff doesn't really matter in light of that.
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asherp
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Pericles_Lewnes
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Vierotchka:
"Purple Monkey dish washing nipple machine."
Very Dada.
- 3 years ago
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Pericles_Lewnes
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huntre
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I watched the whole Warren "non-debate" again to get a fresh perspective.
Senator Obama answered Rev. Rick directly, eye to eye, considering each word carefully. He seemed unrehearsed.
Senator McCain was so well prepared by his staff that he came across, to me, as a man pandering to the audience. He's polished up his anecdotes at town hall meetings to the point where they ring hollow.
As to whether he "borrowed" from other sources, Senator Obama's been accused of that as well.
It's all in the game. - 3 years ago
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huntre
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cocheezy
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huntre:
Yeah, but you need to realize that Obama's accusations of plagarism were forgotten quickly. Mostly because the speeches critics said he lifted were actually speeches that he and his partner( whose name escapes me at this moment) wrote together . . .and both wanted to use the same passages in different speeches in order to get their message across.
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cocheezy
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cocheezy
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The man is in his 70's, maybe he's showing his age if you catch my drift.
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cocheezy
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bluestranger
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I also saw this scene in an old movie. Anthony Quinn is a roman slave working in a sulpher mine. Ever wonder if J.M. has a J.C. complex?
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bluestranger
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Vierotchka
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This seems more than very likely. McCain has about as much imagination as the head on a pin and has nothing to offer.
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Vierotchka
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pokesmot
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Vierotchka:
U r so right
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pokesmot
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Pericles_Lewnes
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Vierotchka:
Even the head of a pin can function as a dancefloor for angels...
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Pericles_Lewnes
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Vierotchka
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Vierotchka:
Aye, but how many?
- 3 years ago
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Vierotchka
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saveplanetearth
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Vierotchka:
McCain, is just like Bush, greedy and power hungry, he doesnt care about the US citizens, he is just reciting wikipedia, and other sources to win your vote, so he can then screw you over, just as much as the bush campaign has
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saveplanetearth
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kewal91
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Vierotchka:
thats what most people on current do anyway... Use google and wiki....
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kewal91
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kewal91
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Vierotchka:
true......
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kewal91
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