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sanjit
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I used to volunteer at the Shoe. Great times. You'd be suprized how often whole families just waltz in and browse. "A new consciousness is developing."
Anarchism is Socialist. It's not about chaos. It's not about disorder. Anarchism is order. Anarchism is the apex of political organization.
Let's setup a scenario:
No individual is subject to any laws, for their are no states.
All are free to take from the land the resources needed and desired, for I propose Communism.
Now, we know that groups are usually more productive than individuals. We also know that the group usually contributes more to the individual than the individual contributes to the group. Therefore, we should note the appeal of cooperation. This cooperation can be done out of pure altruism or reciprocal altruism. Even the most selfish must realize that cooperation with others will yield them the most reward.
Since we've gotten the basics of the economics down, let's discuss the political organizing. Freedom and equality are key. It requires direct democracy, specifically consensus democracy. Each individual potentially effected by an issue has an equal vote on that issue. A proposal is put forth. The proposal is discussed. The proposal is voted on. A vote can either approve a proposal with full support, approve it with limited support or indifference, or block it. If a proposal is blocked, it is further discussed before being dismissed completely or voted on again. That process can carry on indefinitely. However, in the event that consensus cannot be reached, a vast majority shall decide.
There are many other scenarios that I could discuss here, but I'd rather wait until questioned. Any questions?
- 3 years ago
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sanjit
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McBride
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I'm not sure how I feel about this...
I like the idea of a group trying to bring about change in light of a failing over all system but I think it's strange that a group would call themselves Anarchists while trying to organize a movement. I always thought of anarchy as an individual-thing.
Regardless; I like the idea and I'm excited that this group is growing with interest and supporters. Keep it up!
Maybe this will lead to other groups like the Green Party into the mainstream with a louder voice. - 3 years ago
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McBride
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claybird121
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McBride:
Most anarchists are socialists, and desire to organize society on a collectivized and consensual basis
- 1 year ago
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claybird121
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Sam_Maynard
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bombs are never a means to an end
- 3 years ago
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Sam_Maynard
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ILiveonaClock
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Sam_Maynard:
Bombs are the means all the time.
How do you think people demolish buildings? Or excavate land? Make quarries?
I don't advocate using them on people unless the circumstance is EXTREMELY dire and your life is being threatened. Bombs don't have to kill people to make a difference. - 3 years ago
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ILiveonaClock
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LAHolly [removed]
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LAHolly [removed]
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ILiveonaClock
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LAHolly:
Not even close! Unless you're using 'anarchy' as a synonym for 'chaos'.
We are in a chaotic state, but america is no anarchist land. - 3 years ago
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ILiveonaClock
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Knivestoyou
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This is a nice piece about an honest movement where the people involved actively embrace the idea of "be the change that you want in the world". I am also glad to see that it is unbiased and informative.
- 3 years ago
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Knivestoyou
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ILiveonaClock
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I'm an anarchist and some of the representation and people interviewed were a little sketchy to me, but I guess there's all kinds of us out there. It's a pretty wide spectrum.
I urge you to look up real anarchism and its history. Objectively. It won't work as our society is now. and that's the point. We have to change. We don't want to force everyone to live as anarchists, we just don't want to be forced to live inside the state's control. We would be happy to get our own area and live out in tribes and crews and deal with our own problems.
I'm human and I just want to live MY own life. I'm not saying "fuck everyone else, I'm going to be nihilistic and an asshole!" I'm saying that my decisions are my own, my life is my own, I don't want or need to be monitored and watched by a detached state. I'll carry my own load.
I want to eliminate 99% of industrialized society and take out all the institutions that are fucking humanity up. I want to spread awareness about consumption and how were taking resources out of the earth expontentially quicker than we can put them back in. We've manipulated natural things so that they can't be broken down. Where do we put it all? Why do we think we can go on forever like that?
Human relationships and the ability to interact and make decisions and deal with people should be done in a much smaller fashion. anarchism isn't doing whatever the fuck you want with no negative consequences. We just don't want standardized and removed judges and authorities imposing punishments. People deal with people. And if someone if flipping out we deal with it however that situation calls for.
I'm not saying it's utopia. Life is full of good things and bad things. We just don't want to try and control those things. We're not working toward perfection, because everyone's "perfect" is different. We just want to be free to deal with life (which is chaos, look up your greek mythology people. And if you don't believe it then I ask you- can you predict the future? no. that's what chaos is. unpredictability. We just embrace it instead of trying to control it.) as it comes.
You only have one life why live it on the track that someone no better or wiser than yourself and that you don't know has layed out for you for what you can and can't and should and shouldn't do in your life?
We all agree that you should respect others. try to live by your own authority and standards and goals and means. We HUMANS. That's it. We live, we die; and there's nothing more important than that.
That's the best way I can think to put how I feel about it right now.
How do you expect me to achieve this any other way than by trying to hole out a crack in the all encompassing established states? You can't just ask to be deleted from all state records or left alone, I only have so many years to live in. so I have to work quickly and by any means to achieve this and make a niche in the world for people now and in the future who are like me. I don't want to hurt anyone until they are threatening my existence. No anarchist I know would bomb a bunch of random innocent people. It's all specific and purposeful. We prefer defense to offense every time.
- 3 years ago
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ILiveonaClock
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elegua
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cool
- 3 years ago
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elegua
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Sam_Maynard
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he likes pepsi but hates capitalism...
- 3 years ago
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Sam_Maynard
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bishopobispo
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Although I couldn't disagree more with the doctrine of anarchism, hat's off to these guys for taking steps to promote what they believe in.
- 3 years ago
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bishopobispo
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theBef
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anarchy |ˈanərkē|
noun-
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority
• absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.
So to me this unruly future looks like a dogpile-o-poo. How will you take care of the murderers? Thieves? Rapists? If we cannot exist peacefully in our current state, how would an anarchistic society ever go anywhere but down? Terrible idea, humans cannot govern themselves, don't be fooled into thinking we are smart. How could there ever been a bronze age if the Israelites and Chinese had bronze weapons before the bronze age? (Just one example of human stupidity.)
BΩ - 3 years ago
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theBef
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blackdaylight
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laissez faire...these "anarchists" may be misguided but they are fighting back in the best way that works for them so i definitely give em props for that!
- 3 years ago
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blackdaylight
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donkeyfly69
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great pod
- 3 years ago
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donkeyfly69
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Social_Fuzz
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Its inherent in our genes that we look to be led. Or the few of us that want power will take it. Im not saying Anarchism couldnt work, just that it will NEVER be given a chance.
The masses have been bred into docility by Mass media and comfort. And the illusion of some level of controll in government such as a BI or Tri-party system, which is just in essence pick the less evil rich bastard, will keep us all docile. "Democracy" What a twisted fantasy of power.
I love the movement, but the cynic in me wants me to laugh. The pessimist in me wants to cry.But the human in me wants to applaude.
- 3 years ago
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Social_Fuzz
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claybird121
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Social_Fuzz:
Humans lived in stable healthy anarchy for hundreds of thousands of years.
- 1 year ago
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claybird121
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PhillyPunk215
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I agree with you on the fact of no prisons is a little out there, but you have to be smart enough to realize he did not mean what he was saying literally. If anything he said that to draw a response. And with anarchism you will always have some radicals who will go a little overboard and will never take action on what they say, but it more then action,it about standing up and speaking out to get a response and thus is when ideas are born, and then action taking.
- 3 years ago
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PhillyPunk215
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outtheinside
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You don't have to be an anarchist to be a non-conformist. Standing up for your beliefs and for the truth doesn't go hand in hand with anarchism. No prisons? now that's just laughable.
- 3 years ago
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outtheinside
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PhillyPunk215
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Anarchism will always be a tricky subject. Us anarchist will always be looked at as non patriotic,witch for me is the main reason I am proud to be one. America is a country built on propaganda and lies,and people deserve to hear the truth and to take action, since censorship and common belief is the majority. There are so many truths that need to be heard,and if people like us don't speak out then we might as well all just remain prisoners of society.What good is freedom if it means you must conform?
- 3 years ago
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PhillyPunk215
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pvl1
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as much as the government has fucked up, we are not gonna be able to get anywhere without someone mothering us, mainly because we have already created a class system.
Look at it this way: without prisons and so forth, this country will perish. as the people on bottom realize that there probably wont be any consequences for their actions, they will start to destroy in an effort to bring themselves up in the now nonexistent class system.
- 3 years ago
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pvl1
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milosilo
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its funny that the man who is so "like, into anarchism, " talks about organizing. By definition, is not that hypocritical that you want to organize to disorganize? And what about the pepsi bottle in his pocket? he could have stood by his values and not participate in capitalism. These people need to focus on helping others, not promoting a book about making bombs, like the anarchist cookbook. Whiny suburban kids who were handed too much, ship them to any other country, and you dont have time for such silly ventures. And he would probably lose all that fat. Oh wait, hes prob on his way for a big mac. fuckin hypocrites...
- 3 years ago
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milosilo
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MaRibElfalcon76
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milosilo:
Aren't you quick to judge?
Maybe they are a bunch of whiny suburban kids, but instead of taking their parents money and blowing their life away. They took initiative in something and are participating in the public sector. Maybe they won't overtake the government and they probably are on a terrorist list somewhere, but at least they're doing SOMETHING they believe in.
About the Pepsi can or McDonalds reference, there is no escaping capitalist participation in America. You COULD but without an abundance of money it would be difficult, which is the irony of it all. You can do little things like shop at the local grocer instead of Wal-Mart or make your own damn burger instead of paying a buck for lard.
Don't have such little faith in humanity.
- 3 years ago
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MaRibElfalcon76
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oliholmes
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milosilo:
These "kids" arent hypocrits .. its just that the definition of anarchism is varied and is left open for interpretation a lot. Some anarchists could believe that all government and all organization and all co-operation of humans should be stopped .. whilst other anarchists could believe that everyone should be their own boss (which is what i think one of the guys said). Your blind judgement doesnt reveal any truth about these guys and just acts an attack on their beliefs. That's traditional american christian for you.
- 3 years ago
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oliholmes
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ILiveonaClock
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milosilo:
Anarchism simply means no rule. I don't see what you're pointing out as hypocritical. Anarchy does not mean chaos or disorganization.
As for the pepsi bottle, yeah that's against the ethic a little, but who among us are entirely virtuous all the time. Don't dismiss anarchism because one person who identified with it consumed something corporate. You would think he would choose water or something not so megacorp though huh?
Sometimes bombs are the means needed to achieve the ends desired. Deconstruction has to happen before reconstruction can. you don't know how they intend to use the bombs, or if they do. The anarchist cookbook is meant for people who have tried other things first and that have a firm resolution and plan and purpose. Some person made it. It doesn't represent everything. Anarchist cookbook is super deep into it and shouldn't be taken lightly.
As for being handed everything. I don't know those people, but it depends on who's handing and receiving and what is being handed. That's an awfully ambiguous statement. Some people were born to affluent families but have abandoned that life, they didn't choose to be born into large amounts of capital the same way the poor didn't choose to be born to small amounts.
I'm an anarchist and some of the representation and people interviewed were a little sketchy to me, but I guess there's all kinds of us out there. It's a pretty wide spectrum.
I urge you to look up real anarchism. It won't work as our society is now. and that's the point. We have to change. We don't want to force everyone to live as anarchists, we just don't want to be forced to live inside the state's control. We would be happy to get our own area and live out in tribes and crews and deal with our own problems. - 3 years ago
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ILiveonaClock
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Knivestoyou
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milosilo:
It's funny that you have so much to say about a subject that you obviously have no knowledge about. Instead of making comments that come off as ignorant and fairly absurd maybe you should do a little research so you can sound at least a tiny bit educated on subjects such as these.
- 3 years ago
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Knivestoyou
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McBride
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milosilo:
Yea, I kinda thought the organization of Anarchists was weird also but there is more to it than just that. They’ve got enough of it right for me and honestly, nothing would be accomplished if they didn’t band together. They’re smart for doing so.
Personally... I took the Anarchist’s cookbook comment as a tongue & cheek remark as I’m sure Wooden Shoe Books get asked that all the time.
The bottle of Pepsi and Big Mac – we’re all hypocrites and imperfect.
“Whiny suburban kids.” Do you know these people? I’m just curious how you came to that conclusion. I live in walking distance to Wooden Shoe Books and I’m not saying that I know them any further than just stopping in (to Wooden Shoe Books) to look around with casual and brief conversation but they've never remotely come across as whiny, elite-like, or pompous to me. Would you prefer to have these “Whiny suburban kids who were handed too much” go out and perpetuate more of the same mediocrity or would you them take a chance and try for something different …possibly something better?Also… should we ship all the fat kids that don’t fit into your criteria to another country? The views expressed on this video sound a whole lot better than shipping out those you do not agree with. The Nazis, The South African government, and The Ottoman Empire shipped out those they deemed unworthy also. Is that what you want because that’s what it sounds like you are leading to?
- 3 years ago
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McBride
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jpoRS
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milosilo:
The anarchist cookbook has about as much to do with actual anarchism as the Democratic Party has to do with actual democracy.
Just because someone uses a word to describe something, does not mean that the item being described truly is the way tat person described.
- 3 years ago
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jpoRS
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claybird121
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milosilo:
Anyone who thinks anarchism is about disorder or chaos is just some loaf who's been spoon fed their world view from television.
Anarchy
An = without, or against
Archos = Ruler, Lord
Anarchy = Without or Against Rulers or Lords.Anomy (or Anomie)
An = (without, or against)
Nomos = Order, Reason
Anomy = Withour order or reasonTry not to confuse these. These are silly and stupid mistakes. Before you criticize a philosophy, try not to make a fool of yourself and claim it to be something it's not.
Most anarchists fall into the collectivist category. Anarchists basically put all these thought into consensual decision making and egalitarian organizing. You can have leaders without them using violence to force you to comply.
Anarchism states that all governments and states are run and enforced by violence. A state is a human farm. You don't get to choose whether you pay taxes or not, they are taken from you. If you don't you will be served a court order. If you don't go to court a man with a gun will come to your house to kidnap you. If you resist he will use force to kidnap you. If you resist with as much force as he initiated he will either incapacitate you and then kidnap you or kill you.
The state does not exist to safe guard anyone, it exist to farm humans for the productive capabilities.Do SOME research
"Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government . It has its origins in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. It existed prior to government, and would exist if the formality of government was abolished."
-Thomas Paine From "Rights of Man" [Part the Second], Chapter 1. - 2 years ago
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claybird121
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Nephwrack
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too bad they're prolly on bush's terror watch list now, but then again so is the sierra club.
- 3 years ago
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Nephwrack
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bstein
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Wooden Show Books website
- 3 years ago
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bstein
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leoniDb
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bstein:
Nelson Mandela just got pulled off the terrorist watch list
- 3 years ago
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leoniDb
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JudahEvan
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The City of Brotherly Love is the most excellent microcosm of this great country. The United States of America would not be a United States were it not for the role of the Philadelphia based delegations, especially the one and only Sir Benjamin Franklin. I love Philly with all my heart.
GO EAGLES!
- 3 years ago
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JudahEvan
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mikeywally
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loved the video.
freedom from oppression, freedom to potential.
- 3 years ago
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mikeywally
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