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Anti-abortion protest confrontation at DNC

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This photo comes straight from the DNC. Dave Winer witnessed an anti-abortion protest and confrontation while entering the DNC today. He posted his photos to flickr, take a look.

According to the Denver Post, the protesters were using racism to make a point at the DNC, and the confrontation resulted in arrests.

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59 comments // Anti-abortion protest confrontation at DNC

  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • Anjela3,

      Sorry but you need to do a bit more growing up friend.
      You act as if homeless people are scum of the Earth.

      Darn it, they are PEOPLE!

      Some are severely mentally ill, that is to say that they've lost the ability to reason.

      And some are VETERANS who deserve help.

      And some are folks that have lost their jobs..been outsourced etc, then lost their homes.

      Many, many are WOMEN & CHILDREN!

      How dare you say these things...

      You must either be a kid, or a REPUBLICAN!

      Whatever the case, may God have mercy on your soul!

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • There's a reason they're all white, christian men.

      They don't give a fuck about abortions.

      Do NOT be misled guys, anti-abortion people don't care about the potential rights of undeveloped zygotes, they want to legislate against sex.

      That's why they teach abstinence only education.

      That's why birth control is considered abortion now by the HHS.

      DON'T BE FOOLED.

      Call these people out on their bullshit. This is just the first step, they want ALL contraceptives banned as well.

    • 3 years ago
  • Spammy
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      Spammy  
    • we all come out of a barrel of a gun . some hit the target and have life for thirty to 90 years asking the eternal questions like why am I here?
      Guns have licenses to protect us from miss-use of guns.

      Abortions are not licenses and can not erase the holes made by irresponsibility . Just get married and take responsibility, or find something else to do with your thirty to 90 years on the planet.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • Spammy:

      Yes. What a magnificent idea. Except for the fact that women who do have abortions are responsible. Why? Because they do not have to bring an unwanted child into the world and have the child live through their mistakes. That seems pretty reasonable to me.

      "Abortions are not licenses and can not erase the holes made by irresponsibility . Just get married and take responsibility, or find something else to do with your thirty to 90 years on the planet."

      Must I remind you that not all women who get pregnant are irresponsible? The logic that available abortions results in more irresponsibility with sex is ridiculous. And yes, everything would be solved if they just got married? Give me a break. This isn't medieval times. Things cannot be solved just because they get married.

    • 3 years ago
  • HiddenAgenda
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      HiddenAgenda  
    • Abortions to me is like welfare in a way.

      I think many of us are too comfortable with the option being so readily available that we gradually stopped being responsible in so many ways that could hurt our bodies. I mean these things are basic, but we get so comfortable.
      Same with welfare, people are so comfortable with the availability of someone else taking care of them that after a while they lose the desire or the confidence to break off and take care of those basic things by themselves.

      In a way I wish abortion was never an option in the first place.

      I would also appreciate it Planned Parenthood would get 80% of their abortion clinics out of the predominately black neighborhoods. Having an extremely racist founder doesn't help either.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • HiddenAgenda:

      Abortion and welfare are NOT the same. Do you really think that just because abortion is more readily available that people will become flimsy and irresponsible that when they get pregnant, they'll just automatically turn towards abortions? Sorry, the logic is very flawed. yes, sure, there will be some who will abuse the system. There always are and always will be. But that shouldn't be the case for the larger majority that do not abuse the system. Most people know that an abortion is a last resort. But, we wouldn't be having this discussion if they put government funds gets put into better sex education into our classrooms. Say, educate the students more about safer sex than abstinence.

    • 3 years ago
  • HiddenAgenda
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      HiddenAgenda  
    • HiddenAgenda:

      Analogy look it up.
      I do believe people abuse the abortion system I have met many during my high school and ongoing college years. I do believe if people didn't have so many options that make having irresponsible sex so easy, they would be .:gasp:. more responsible about it or be much more conscious about their behavior in all settings.
      Anyway I do believe abstinence education is what's screwing us over.

      But thats just what I believe.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • HiddenAgenda:

      The one thing I do agree with you is that abstinence education is what screwing us over. If students are not educated over basic safer sex material, their chances of becoming pregnant increases.

      But, I have to disagree about your view on abortion. Just because you've met some who abused the system does not mean the same ideals should be punished upon those who do not. Not only that, making it illegal is just going to cause a rise in self mutilation so a child cannot be born. But say, the mother does give up the child for adoption. What if they're not adopt. Then through foster care. But, we all know our foster care system is horrible.

      My thing is that, if you decide not to have an abortion and have discussed about it with others, that's your choice. And the same for those whom decide to have an abortion. And like I said earlier, there will ALWAYS be a group of people who will abuse ANY system.

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • And I am even more tired of pro choice folks wailing as if they've just been in a horrible car accident.

      Pro lifers DON'T MAKE YOU PREGNANT GIRL!

      You do that to yourself...

      "It's all about ME, ME , ME and "MY BODY"

      Gee, look at what you (collectively) are doing?

      You aren't dealing with reality but you are sure living on "Fantasy Island" but then again maybe you are too young to remember that television series.

      Look around you...

      Who's hurting?

      Our entire human civilization is.

      Why do you think there is so much suicide?

      Because we, as a society have gone off the edge.

      But no, I have to surmise that you can't see it.

      The pendulem has swung so far and it's beginning to swing back, ever so slowly.

      Some of us girl, undestand that God's will is a heck of a lot better than our own; and that our creator knows what is good for us.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • SonofLiberty1:

      Sorry. I think we have something called separation of church and state. Yes, apparently, allowing abortion is causing a rise in suicides in out nation. Great logic there sir! And sorry? Did I say pro-lifers make women pregnant??? nooo...I don't think so. Your entire logic is flawed. What your ideals are doing is forcing something to believe a certain way. With pro-choice, you have a CHOICE on whether to have an abortion or not. Get a grip.

      "It's all about ME, ME , ME and "MY BODY"

      Well, of course. It's called MY BODY, MY DECISION. The government shouldn't be placing restrictions on what I can do with MY BODY or YOUR BODY.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • SonofLiberty1:

      That's why he's YOUR creator, you can have your delusions on your own time thank you very much. Thank God the first amendment protects from people like you.

      If you want to feel bad about being a human being, be my guest. But the rest of us think YOU'RE morally decayed and live in a fantasy world. Unlike you, we don't try to push our morals on you because we understand that we live in a free country.

    • 3 years ago
  • anglcazn
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      anglcazn  
    • I love how people like to make other people follow their ideals. I'm against using marijuana but I'm not pushing for criminalizing it. In fact, I'm for decriminalizing it.

      I'm tired of people whom are pro-life. If you're pro-life, great, good for you. But, don't push your ideals upon others who believe pro-choice. Pro-choice people aren't forcing people have to have abortions. But, pro-life people are forcing others to not have abortions and therefore, removing certain rights from a women and her decision about her body.

    • 3 years ago
  • MarshallsCarousel
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      MarshallsCarousel  
    • If women are for limiting their rights, by all means let them do so.

      I personally believe that pro-choice IS pro-life.

      Republicans make the two terms into a shallow distinction along with deciding that pro-life is the choice of good 'ol Americans, then claim that they support women better than Democrats.

      Limited rights is not more support. It's suppression.

    • 3 years ago
  • Spammy
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      Spammy  
    • If there is a God, he will say "NO" to some things and "Yes" to others .
      If there is no god , nothing is "real" wrong to do and we only need to protect our friends from harm .

      If there is a God, then some things are real wrong to do, no matter what the current trend or fashion is,
      and we will hear more about this later.

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • I've never been to a protest outside an abortion clinic.

      Personally, I don't think the confrontation is very helpful.

      All that is done is to enflame frayed nerves.

      You can pray apart from this.

      Yes, you are right that women are going to do whatever and probably much to their chagrin.
      Some folks just seem hell-bent to rush into trouble and cannot see where they are going and will not listen to anyone.

      Whatever happened to the idea that life is sacred?

      Some of us still believe in that.

      Whatever happened to the idea that oversexualization isn't a terribly good thing?

      Think of all the problems today, where has the innocense gone?

      Today,kids know a whole lot more ..what good is it?

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • SonofLiberty1:

      Life isn't sacred to you, not one bit. You love murder and death and decry it when it suits your purposes.

      I enjoy my life and I don't want your superstitious, self-hating bullshit in it.

      There is nothing wrong with sex, our society is NOT in decay.

      Stay out of my life with your medieval nonsense.

      YOU'RE the moral decay, you and your cult of death.

      Pro-life my ass, you support every war there is and every use of the death penalty.

      Anti-sex and anti-freedom is what you are. I've been to your churches, I know the agenda.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • Honestly, I don't see how people don't see this as killing a life. There have been points made that the only difference between a fetus and a baby is time, and I completely agree with it.

      You should know that I'm pro-choice, though. Most pro-lifers don't take into consideration the life that the child is going to grow into.

      "The parents should take care of their mistake": If the parents are poor teenagers, then not only will the parents either have to drop out or struggle with school, but the kids are going to feel the effects of growing up in a broken home. If the parents don't want the child, the kid is going to grow up with awful parents who don't care about it.

      "Adoption": is an AWFUL option. 1. The kid is going to grow up in a foster home where no one wants them and they are most likely to turn out for the worst (poor, unloved, crime). 2. Even if they do get adopted into a loving home, they will always have that lingering thought 'Why didn't my mom want me? Am I really that awful? Would I have ruined her life?' If abortion is stopped, kids are going to have an even harder time finding a home to go home to.

      "All life is sacred": Ya, sure, but have you ever taken into consideration the world's massive overpopulation problem? Children are starving, thirsty, and disease ridden in other countries and all you want to do is make it harder for them to get food.

      Abortion IS stopping a life, no point denying it guys, but you save one life, you ruin so many others.

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • Nettle:

      Every mitochondria in our body is alive. Bacteria is alive. Don't split semantical hairs. The point is not what is alive, but what value you place on a particular life.
      Are you telling me that a pregnant woman's undeveloped fetus is more important than she is? Get real.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • Nettle:

      I absolutely do not think a fetus is more important then the woman. In case you missed it, I'm pro-choice; that entire argument was me saying why abortions should be legal.

      I'm just irritated that some people don't think you're putting a stop sign on a future life. You are! There's no getting around that, but why should the child be brought into a world where it's unwanted? That's just plain cruel.

    • 3 years ago
  • bubl_415
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      bubl_415  
    • Women are going to do what they want with their bodies, legal or not. I think it would be a dangerous step backwards to make abortion illegal. Let us keep it safe and clean for the people who believe it is right for them. We need more sex education starting a young age, so that people don't get to the point where they have to face such a heavy decision. Everyone has there own set of circumstances that have to be taken into account, so this issue is not black and white. It is easy for a man to say that they are against abortion, they have no idea what a woman goes through, and the agony a woman must face when making such a life changing choice.

      True freedom to me is choice, without choice how can you call this the land of the free?

      As a woman, I have never had to make this decision, but only I know what is right for me. What is the point of making a child suffer in this world if you can't take care of them? When there are no more orphans, children being abused and neglected, and no more children going hungry, then maybe we can talk about the morals of this.
      This issue is very personal, and should stay that way.

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • Good points cmj05.

      For others here, you may want to look at the platform,it's more pro-life than it was 4 years ago.

      Senator Robert Casey, the late Governor Casey's son is speaking tonight.

      The party is really putting an effort into courting evangelicals and Catholics this year.

    • 3 years ago
  • cmj05
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      cmj05  
    • The problem is instead of a conversation we turn it into a political issue. I for one am a Pro-Life Democrat because I'm anti-abortion but for the other life issues I believe the democratic party embodies (anti-war, pro-healthcare, pro-union), and I believe that others need to look at this as a conversational issue and not a political one.

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • cmj05:

      Not that men really have any business discussing this topic in the first place... However, isn't this a political matter since some try controlling the free choice of others?
      I find it to be a perverted power fetish. It concerns only the private biological function of those with the choice.

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
  • rightbrain
  • AreOh
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      AreOh  
    • The hostility this topic sparks is still unbelievable to me. I understand this is a fierce debate, but whatever happened to letting people do as they want. You cannot, I repeat, cannot generalize morality. Your situation is your situation. Forcing that perspective onto someone else in an effort to 'convince' that person is only a recipe for ineffective conflict.

    • 3 years ago
  • rightbrain
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      rightbrain  
    • How easily media revises the term 'pro-choice' movement into 'abortion rights'? So it's no longer a matter of individual choice, it's now either 'abortion rights', or 'pro life'. Begging the question; without the power of choice, what kind of life could we lead?

    • 3 years ago
  • sublimeuniverse
  • cmj05
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      cmj05  
    • I think pro-lifers have a right to gather, largely because they make up around 40% of the Democratic party.

      As far as it being her body what about the body of the child in her?? What say does it have, or should it have any? Is it any different than the child that is newborn and needs it's parents??

      I think this issue needs to be talked about civilly and removed from political ideology where it has been held captive.

    • 3 years ago
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • Oh my god! It's the group founded by Randall Terry. I love this guy, he's often targeted by my blog. Glad to see he's not dead, can't wait to blog on this.

    • 3 years ago
  • moviegal119
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      moviegal119  
    • I just don't understand why people are still discussing this issue! We don't live in the 1950's anymore! We have all seen what it takes to carry a child, and give birth, and some are not prepared in mind and in body. Why bring another child into the world if the mother doesn't want to accept the mistake, accident, or any other unfortunate event?! We are depleting too many of Earth's resources to bring in another unwanted child.

      We need to focus on other issues of "murder". What about all those cigarette smokers (which I bet all of the protesters are)? I don't appreciate 2nd hand smoke, which is a killer, and to each other's own, they're killing themselves, but that's just fine cause we all figure IT'S THEIR CHOICE!

    • 3 years ago
  • gracesteban
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      gracesteban  
    • These rallyist wants to tell the world what they think and believe.

      We heard you.......now it's your term to listen to the rest of us and respect our beliefs which is different from yours.

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
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      justright  
    • Death dealing prolifers, clean coal, and poor defenseless faux news, so many oxymoron's to choose from in Denver at the same time.

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • It's never enough for a group of this kind to say that they are right while everyone else is wrong and leave it at that. They have to cross the line into telling others what to believe and what to chose. No compromise, acceptance or tolerance towards others with beliefs that differ.
      The opposite of what the man they claim to follow preached.

    • 3 years ago
  • seanalyn
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      seanalyn  
    • "According to the Denver Post, the protesters were using racism to make a point at the DNC, and the confrontation resulted in arrests. "

      wow i read the comment relating slavery to abortion....just wow.

      Also, I just want to ask these anti abortion people their opinion on this. A friend of mine was raped and impregnated by her FATHER at 12 years old and she had an abortion not only because of the obvious reasons but because the doctors feared she would die if she carried the child to term. So, should she have had to die just to give birth a child who was created by her rapist father? Yes, thats an extreme case I know, but Id love to hear a pro-life person's response to that.

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • seanalyn:

      Most of those who believe that life begins at conception have no problem if there is an extreme case dealing with the health of the mother.

      That's been the case since the mid 1970's.

    • 3 years ago
  • mjsmith11
  • rightbrain
  • mjsmith11
  • erikjh1972
  • Saladin
  • justright
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      justright  
    • They have a right to protest, but I think their time would be better spent adopting the hundreds of thousands of available orphans, because if they win there will soon be millions and millions more.

    • 3 years ago
  • voldypoo
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      voldypoo  
    • Even though i believe in the freedom that every woman should have when it comes to abortions, a am glad to see some one speaking up for what they think is right. Even though they are wrong.
      I dont like the racism aspect of the story, how ever.

    • 3 years ago
  • crob80227
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      crob80227  
    • You know, the Amish have a very strict anti-abortion philosophy that they adhere to and yet they feel no need to force the rest of America to conform to their unique views

      They are content to live by their own principles and religious beliefs and let the rest of the world do as they wish.

      What a uniquely American solution!

      Are the Amish less "pro-life" or less "spiritual" because they aren't forcing their personal beliefs onto the rest of the nation? Of course not.

      Issues such as which is the correct God to pray to or when the exact moment a collection of cells has a soul are deeply subjective, personal and best left up to individuals to decide for themselves. (Hint: this type of attitude is generally what seperates America from a Soviet-style dictatorship that demands absolute conformity to the whims of the ruling body).

      I know this sounds harsh, but I wish the Pro-Lifers would just get over themselves and their obsessive compulsive need to force the world to believe exactly as they do.

      In a cultural melting pot of over 300 million people with hundreds of different cultures and different religions and different beliefs we're never going to all agree...especially on such things as philosophical matters.

      The Amish for all practical intents and purposes live a fairly extreme religious lifestyle compared the rest of middle America and yet they are able to co-exist with the rest of the world peacefully, even joyfully! They know full well we are doing things they abhor (by their standards) and they have no desire to "save" us from ourselves.

      They don't need to spit on young girls going into Planned Parenthood. They don't shoot doctors with high powered sniper rifles. They aren't marching around with posters of fetuses.

      How is it that the Amish -- people who are by any measure far MORE religious than any traditional, modern Christian -- are able to live peacefully with this issue, but the mainstream Christians seem incapable of letting every woman choose for themselves?

      The Pro-Life Movement needs to take a page (hell, a whole chapte) from the Amish and learn to let others be.

      That's the price that must ultimately be paid for living in a melting pot. Not everyone is going to be the same race, the same political party or share the exact same philosophical/spiritual views as you.

    • 3 years ago
  • Nettle
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      Nettle  
    • crob80227:

      A very valid point. I have always been surprised that the Amish are content with co-habitating with modern life without any problems (Sundays in Wal-Mart come to mind).

      As long as your chapter doesn't include the long standing oppression of women, like Mary Byler, then I guess you're good.

    • 3 years ago
  • anjela3
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      anjela3  
    • The greatest thing about America is FREEDOM OF SPEECH. The more they talk, the more they expose their ignorance. Like the slacker 40 year old complaining because the government only gives him X dollars a month and therefor he's homeless. But if they gave him disability, he would be able to get an apartment.....WTF? Every time these people 'protest' they highlight their own stupidity for all the world to see.
      I can only hope the Denver police charge them (the protesters) for police time and materials so the people of Denver don't have to pay. That's what we started doing in Florida. Charge the people using the services rather than charging the people living in the area where the services are made available.

    • 3 years ago
  • TrikyNiki
  • Sareye
  • rightbrain
  • Sareye
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      Sareye  
    • There are a lot of protests happening at the DNC and I don't think this one deserves much attention.

      Funny that the group seems to be a bunch of white men.

      The thing to stay focused on right now is not these protesting males who wish to control women's decisions, but laws that are currently in motion.

      --- South Dakota is at it again attempting to ban abortions in their state, hoping that if the measure passes and groups wish to overturn it, it will head to the supreme court and potentially undo Roe V. Wade. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/12/uselections2008.usa

      --- "A proposed Bush administration regulation on contraception and abortion would stop California from enforcing a state law that requires Catholic hospitals and charities to provide birth control coverage for thousands of female employees, state Attorney General Jerry Brown and family-planning advocates said Wednesday." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/20/BAU412F104.DTL

      --- THE White House is currently outlining the rules via Health and Human Services, for Doctors, on whether they can choose to perform an abortion or not.
      http://campusprogress.org/newswire/2707/white-house-chips-away-womens-right-to-h...

    • 3 years ago
  • mario_a
  • Spammy
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      Spammy  
    • Sareye:

      The abortion issue has run its course and more and more it appears that it was a horrible choice for everyone involved. It made sex without responsbility rampant, leaving a poor attitude toward motherhood and children in general. Life was cheapened and dirtied by the abortionists. They made millions from their god-forsaken industry. The media sanitized it. thank god for those with the courage to call it what it is : a culture of death.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Sareye:

      It's done no such thing.

      Get out of here with your unsubstantiated shit.

      Why don't you go tell your Christian brothers to stop calling for the death of brown people across the sea?

      Who has the real culture of death here?

    • 3 years ago
  • clarity_kat
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      clarity_kat  
    • Image
    • *this is another picture from the same Flickr stream.

      I understand that people feel very strongly regarding abortion rights. However, I don't think it is right to bring your child in to the hotbed of protests where you have a solid chance of being arrested, even if it is to support their point. I would hate to see this child hurt by a cloud of pepper spray that was dispersed near by all because his parents didn't put their safety and well-being first.

      Next time, spring for a babysitter then grab your picket sign.

    • 3 years ago
  • fountaingoats
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      fountaingoats  
    • Abortion should be a right. For every protester holding a sign reading "I regret my abortion," there are several other women who've had abortions and feel they made the right choice.

      Besides, what's with the implication that a woman regretting her abortion means it should be illegal? A few Fridays ago I regretted a drunken outing from the previous night, but that doesn't mean drinking should be outlawed. It makes me sick that they actually use the guise of "protecting" women...from their own decisions about their health, bodies, and families.

    • 3 years ago
  • mario_a
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