Shops reject same-sex wedding cards

You're a sick, hateful person.

LOL, well, maybe I just like to argue :) But I think current is all about understanding (or trying to understand) other people's view points and maybe opening a few minds in the process.

It's a reflection of the mentality that still exists in our society.

Yes, it may only be in this town right now, but it facilitates a larger conversation about rights, gay marriage, discrimination, etc. When one suffers we all suffer. If things like this slide under the radar they will get away with it and perpetuate this type of hateful mentality.

yes i'm back yes we have rights and as a african american boy do i know so i say keep up the fight and ijust feel that i'm not pointing the finger at enyone i have people in my family that date the same sex but i choose not to that's all.

"i choose not to that's all."- for some people it may be a choice, if you are experimenting with your sexuality, bisexual, etc- but for some people it's not. Some people are gay, just as some people are straight.

Dammit, Icdoll920 said that directly above me and I didn't even notice...

*Mr Originality*

"On the one hand I think it's totally legitimate to think that maybe there's just not enough demand for cards." But other people on Current said this, not the "Idaho Values Alliance" who are the ones moving to boycott the cards.

I really don't think people who would be associated with the Idaho Values Alliance are EVER going to be buying the cards, so I don't think a boycott from them is particularly meanginful...

*edit* meaningful

Indeed, all I meant is that this article never points out a "lack of demand" for the cards.

Ah yes, that was pure speculation on my part.

Nope--I DON'T accept the gay community in that I get tired of having their sexual desires shoved down my throat everyplace that I turn. I don't advertise what I do in the bedroom and I don't appreciate having to imagine what some weirdo guy or lesbian and thieir "significant other" are doing in their bedroom. I realize that my feelings are TOTALLY polictically incorrect, but I feel that if two people or animals mating became the "norm", then the earth is in big trouble. It's not natural and I don't believe nature meant for it to happen--anymore than having sex with animals is natural--is there a card for that??? How about sex with children? Pediphiles are "born" that way--but we certainly don't accept their lifestyle--

I agree with you 100%... Bryan Fischer (the pastor) just got an email with a little bit of my mind spilled out into it... I feel like this issue is not about the stores as much as it is about the government and organization of "higher power" not supporting the gay community... Even more so... not following the rule of separation of church and state...

Ginger,
First of all, what you said has nothing to do with this article. These cards say things like "Congratulations on your partnership", not "have fun with all that anal sex you have"- no one is trying to "shove their sexual desires down your throat"- they are trying to attain equal rights like any other group of people.

As for "It's not natural and I don't believe nature meant for it to happen" - Sorry, you are very wrong. Homosexuality happens in nature throughout over 15000 species. I can give you some links to the research if you want, the Sciam article i posted on Current was actually the first one that got on television when I signed up for Current.

Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality isn't "political incorrect", it's just plain ignorance.

oh man gingerbean... you are so off base... NO ONE is shoving it down your throat... go do a little research and see how much of what you see in the media is centered around straight relationships... how many times do you see straight people making out on TV... and how many times do you see gay people... go hide in your little cave of denial...

So you are saying you don't advertise your sexuality... never held the hand of someone of the opposite sex in public... never kissed someone in public... Why is it that if a gay couple does that its advertising it??? What do you think of straight people wearing wedding rings? Could they be bragging that they are allowed to be married... no... just like gay people are not "advertising" their beliefs.

I mean I'm just as ready to run to the bathroom and vomit if I for some reason have to see some dudes dick in another guys ass... but that doesn't mean they are doing anything wrong...

And quit complaining about not natural... i'm sure 95% of your life involves activity that is in some way not natural... I mean did 'god' intend on us having this debate over the oh so natural internet?

(good work Delia, much less anger in your response, haha)

Ohhh but you ARE shoving it down my throat--Straight society is constantly being bombarded with demands of the gay community wanting to be treated the same as straight people--well, folks, you AIN'T the same and never will be. And I realize that other animals besides human beings do it too--but that doesn't mean it is a natural act. And even in the other species, it's an abberation--not the norm. But the majority of Americans prefer marriage to be between a man and a woman---but, slowly but surely, the liberal "anything goes" crowd are pushing their agenda right down the throats of Americans who disagree. So the gay activists peck away little by little and eventually, they get what they want because the little people are taught all this crap in school about Moms and Dads can also be
Dads and Dads---blah, blah blah.......taking away decent values and beliefs of another generation and inserting their own on the next generation. Just remember when YOUR grandchildren come home and say it's not wrong to have sex with an older man and you are aghast that they would think such a thing is normal...but I am sure you have heard the old adage of "give them an inch..." And don't get me wrong, I don't think you are "bad" people--But I think you need to stop trying to change the world -- granted you cannot help it--that is the way nature made you--but nature made the people who love beasts and pediphiles also--and I don't accept their way of life either and I don't want laws passed saying they can marry a goat.

"Straight society is constantly being bombarded with demands of the gay community wanting to be treated the same as straight people--well, folks, you AIN'T the same and never will be."
We're not really talking about the "same", we're talking about EQUAL. Are you saying that other human beings are not equal to you because of their sexual orientation?

"..taking away decent values and beliefs of another generation and inserting their own on the next generation." WHAT VALUES?
"50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology." - Surprise! Heterosexuals have already ruined the "sanctity of marriage" and "family values", GET OVER IT! Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with whether or not you are a good person!

"Just remember when YOUR grandchildren come home and say it's not wrong to have sex with an older man and you are aghast that they would think such a thing is normal"- How do you get from homosexuality to things like pedophilia and bestiality? The main difference is CONSENT- children are too young to consent to a relationship with an older person (though remember marriage laws differ state to state, and even in NY you can get married at 14 with parental permission!) and animals can not comprehend sexual activity in the way we do- Homosexuality is about CONSENTING ADULTS engaging in sexual activity.

You are being very illogical to assume that giving gay people equal rights means people will all of a sudden be marrying goats!

No, my dear, the difference is NOT consent--the difference is normal vs NOT normal--Society has decided that a child CANNOT consent and picked an age when they are able to consent--Society has decided that certain ages are appropriate to have sex--well, society also decided a good while back that two men or two woman cannot marry. So it's not such a large jump to think that if we continue to pick away at the values that we now have, that we won't be lowering the consent age for sex between a man or woman and a younger person. I don't think it's a jump between homosexuality and the other sexual deviations. And an animal consents because it may feel good--but the human being involved is still doing an un-natural act.
Obviously, you and I will have to agree to dis-agree because I have heard all your arguments before and I'm sure you have heard mine--and neither of us will be changing our minds anytime soon. I only hope my grandchildren will not live to see the day that two men or two women will be able to abuse the sanctity of marriage any more than it has been because it certainly will NOT be worth the paper it is written on because it will be beaten right down to mean NOTHING....which is close to what it has become now. I don't think that SUDDENLY people will want to be marrying goats--but neither did I think 30 years ago that WOMEN WOULD WANT TO MARRY OTHER WOMEN............the gates have been opened and if the liberals have their way, ANYTHING goes all in the name of equality.

"The difference is normal vs NOT normal"- Please go ahead and define normal for me, won't you?

Society had also decided "a while back" that slavery was ok, that voting rights should be restricted to property owning white males, that women were considered property- Does that make it ok? Are you suggesting that we should never expand our definitions and traditions of society?

The fact that you consider homosexuality a "sexual deviation" on par with bestiality and pedophilia is the main problem here. You don't see people, all you see is your own fear manifest.

As I said, it is heterosexuals who are "abusing the sanctity of marriage" - look at the divorce rate in this country, the number of children being raised by single parents to see what I mean.

What you are posting are not "arguments" because they are not based on research or logic- you are just spewing ignorant ideology. It sounds like you are just too caught up in the "way things should be" to open your mind and accept change. Equal rights for gay people is not a flood gate for the type of things you are talking about, marrying goats and the other ridiculous crap you propose.

Gay people simply want the equal rights that you enjoy as a citizen of your country. How would you feel if someone told you you couldn't be married, or that your love was "unnatural" and "devious?"

Normal is something that works the way nature intended it to. If nature intended for men to be with men and women to be with women, then mankind and womankind would have been erased shortly after appearing on earth.
Society has not eliminated slavery--they have merely renamed it--it is now called welfare and that is accepted by society. Property owning white males would at least take advantage of their voting rights and use it. 3/4 of the eligible voters in America cannot find the time in their busy day to become aware of the issues or vote. The majority of the ex-slaves have lost their voting rights because they have broken the law and are in prison. The females are too busy getting their next fix and collecting their welfare checks to bother to vote. Property owning males knew the value of voting and staying in touch with guiding society so that it reflected their values. YOU might not have liked their values or morals--heck even I might not have liked them--but at least they cared. And women had to merge their property with a man's when they married---well hello---what happens to a man in today' s society when he divorces a woman--he usually pays dearly with everything he owns.There is equality for you.
I don't disagree with you about the tragedy of children being raised by single parents--but being raised by two lesbians is hardly an improvement.
Gay people have the rights that I enjoy--the women are able to marry any man they choose and the men are free to marry a woman. Because you CHOOSE to want to marry someone else, doesn't mean that your rights are being violated.

"Normal is something that works the way nature intended it to"- Really! So I suppose you don't take advantage of antibiotics, because that's not "natural."

And I suppose you don't drive a car, because that's not natural.
And I suppose you don't own a computer- oh wait. Sounds like hypocrisy to me!

Nature is far stranger than we know- how did you come to think you "know" what is natural for humans?

Your rant about welfare proves your total ignorance. Your generalizations about poor people, black men and women are not worth responding to because they are based on stereotypes.

"And women had to merge their property with a man's when they married"- No, for a long time women could not own property and they were CONSIDERED property of the man, that is what I was talking about.

"Because you CHOOSE to want to marry someone else, doesn't mean that your rights are being violated."- SEPARATE IS NOT EQUAL. Besides, you ranted about how "nature" made them this way, yet here you call is a choice? Very odd.

DeliatheArtist pretty much said everything I could want to say but I wanted to comment on something you said earlier ginger

"Society has decided that certain ages are appropriate to have sex--well, society also decided a good while back that two men or two woman cannot marry."
Thousands of years ago the men who created the different religions many people believe in today decided that two men and two women can not marry. This had to do with the matter of procreation and keeping the human race going. This has now become outdated just like slavery and selling off your daughter for 12 sheep and 3 cows has become a thing of the past.
If god was against homosexuality i'm sure he would have made it a commandment. And i'm pretty sure Jesus didn't say himself that homosexuality is an abomination.

Nothing like the hollow void of sounding like a business prospect.

So wrong....and yet I still can't stop having a chuckle.

Awesome.

There's a Movie and a book...

NOW there needs to be a store....go with the trend.

"not that much of an inconvenience." - It is if the Idaho Values Alliance is successful with boycotting these cards all over Idaho- it seems very inconvenient to go to another state to get a card. Hopefully they'll just use the internet.

I thought everyone just sent e-cards anyway.

haha... so do you think homosexuality is a fad that will fade away? do you think the fight for equal rights will stop?

They have equal rights, they can choose to marry someone of the opposite sex just like everyone else in America. I don't recall anyone being exempt from marriage.

"They have equal rights, they can choose to marry someone of the opposite sex just like everyone else in America. I don't recall anyone being exempt from marriage." - Are you daft? Only two states in America recognize gay marriage. Otherwise it's "civil unions". Being able to marry someone of the "opposite sex" is clearly not the equal rights people are fighting for!

Oh, so because the law doesn't read the way YOU want it you want to change it? Hope that you have the majority of votes needed to change that in all 50 states. Activist judges may win you a few little skirmishes but with the majority of the American public against you, they won't win the war.

"Oh, so because the law doesn't read the way YOU want it you want to change it? " Yes- isn't that how laws get changed? I want the law changed because it doesn't accurately represent the ideal of "equality for all" that America stands for.
Is this a war? Why does it have to be a battle ground for people to get equal rights?

I don't recall being in the group that started it. You wanna be gay, fine, go ahead and have fun doing it. Keep your sexual habits to yourself and stop demanding that the public find your behavior socially acceptable.

"I don't recall being in the group that started it." - I didn't say you were. Having said that, you don't need to be gay to believe in equal rights. I am not gay.

"stop demanding that the public find your behavior socially acceptable." - Why? All gay people want is to be able to get married. Why should they stop demanding that?

Hey, I'm perfectly fine with legislating that they can't be killed, beat up, etc... Oh wait a minute that's ALREADY ILLEGAL, but to dictate that everyone "accepts" and "appreciates" homosexuality is RIDICULOUS. Homosexuals are not being deprived of any "human rights" like you make it out to be, marriage do not discriminate against skin color or ethnicity and all people are allowed to marry as they please provided they follow a couple of SIMPLE rules, one spouse at a time, opposite sex. Those rules are the same across the board, just because someone decides to throw a tantrum and scream that they want to marry someone outside of the rules doesn't mean that we all need to spring into action to make everyone happy. Should we change it again when people into beastiality, pedophiles, or necrophiliacs want to be legally recognized as well because some goofball researcher says they were born with their sick fetish? Homosexuals may buy off on the whole "born with it" (Hell, why wouldn't they it benefits their agenda) but they make the conscious decision to live their life in that manner.

"Should we change it again when people into beastiality, pedophiles, or necrophiliacs want to be legally recognized as well because some goofball researcher says they were born with their sick fetish?" - How does homosexuality always end up being compared to these types of things? You think that being gay is the same thing as having sex with an animal or child? Really?

Again, I will say that the "rules" have been and will be changed over history. Yes, we should "whine" about it- or slavery may not have ended. Black people and women would have never gotten the right to vote. Disability laws would not have been put into place. Things change all the time, especially as we grow and progress as a society.
It takes a voice to change something, and I simply don't understand why you are so against changing "marriage" to include same-sex relationships. Why does it bother you so much?

Awww, come on, pedos, beastos, and necros can't help it either. Why shouldn't they be likened to similar fetish junkies?

in response to Liberal_Extinction since the irrational need to be a religious zealot has been linked to genetics, people are born that way just like they can be born queer. if you insist on calling homosexuality a fetish that shouldn't be tolerated, then that means your own beliefs must be a fetish that shouldn't be tolerated. i like the FFRF billboard "imagine a world without religion" it sure would solve a lot of problems.

I haven't mentioned religion, I know that's just asking for a shoutdown from the Christ-o-phobes. If people were born with "it" or the legitimization of homosexuality was not damaging, why would there be "reformed" homosexuals living happy healthy heterosexual lives?

Who said they were happy? Have you ever met one of these "reformed" individuals?

It doesn't quite work that way...

Wouldn't you agree that Diet Coke is just as popular (...if not more so) than other varieties of Coke? Wouldn't you, as a business owner, be denying yourself a rather substantial chunk of profit if you didn't stock Diet Coke on your shelves in spite of your personal preference?

I think it is reasonable to assume there will come a time when the demand and profitability of these cards (...and other products and services related to same-sex marriages) are going to outweigh most philosophical objections that a business owner might have. And, if said business owners still won't carry these cards, it makes them less competitive with the market and increases the chances they will be driven from it.

This analogy also works for other items that are deemed even slightly controversial in the eyes of society; like guns, birth control, and alcohol. Each represent a moral or ethical dilemma to some degree...but that doesn't stop Wal-Mart from selling them for a reasonable price, or consumers spending their hard-earned cash to purchase them.

Indeed - the profit margin will outweigh most other concerns for most businesses most of the time. It's why you see stores selling awful unhealthy tat on the same shelf as deluxe organic healthy food.

In many cases however, the preferences of the business owner will always trump other concerns. A vegetarian restaurant cuts itself off from a big chunk of potential custom, as does a Kosher deli or a car dealership that only sells one marque.

Those are decisions to be left in the hands of business people themselves and have nothing to do with anyone else - if the market for same sex marriage cards is substantial enough, and those businesses lose out on enough custom due to people going elsewhere [with the ancillary losses that entails] then these stores will either a) alter their business model or b) close down and be replaced by stores that fit our liberal utopian ideals.

Although they may not have a lot of gay partnerships in Idaho, they do not seem to be complaining about lack of demand for them- they are complaining about gay marriage itself-
"Idaho Values Alliance Executive Director Bryan Fischer sent out a press release Thursday calling for local-area Hallmark stores not to carry the cards.

"Hallmark, the venerable greeting card company, is doing nationwide what 48 states and the federal government have refused to do, and that is to recognize homosexual marriage," Fischer wrote."

It's seems a clear case of ideology to me!