As unlawful arrests continue, St. Paul feels like a city under siege for some residents
source: http://www.alternet.org/rights/97306/as_unlawful_arrests_continue,_st._paul_feels_like_a_cit...
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Sitting outside the Black Dog cafe in lower St. Paul late Tuesday morning, a lanky kid in dreadlocks and a black Bob Marley T-shirt stopped, asked me for a light, and sat down next to me. It was drizzly and gray, and eerily quiet. The night before, nearly 300 people had been arrested by Minnesota police in a sweeping display of brute force. Among them were journalist Amy Goodman and two Democracy Now! producers, both of whom were physically assaulted. With helicopters overheard and the National Guard out, it felt like a city under siege.
I asked the guy if he lived in St. Paul. "Yeah." It turned out he lives next door, in the building where I've been staying, an artist's co-op on Broadway Street. I was about to ask him what he thought about the scene here when he sort of laughed and said, "Yeah, you know -- I was just arrested."
At around 9:45 that morning, John, 20, was walking home from the bank a few blocks away when he spotted what he thought was a police riot club -- a ubiquitous weapon on the streets here. "It was right off of West 7th Street in, like, a planter; I checked it out but it ended up being a broomstick." He put it down and kept walking, when suddenly he was surrounded by police officers -- "three squad for sure, maybe four" -- one of whom was a woman. "She was like, 'Get on your stomach or I'm gonna tase you!'" He asked them what he had done, but they wouldn't say. Instead, they asked him leading questions about other people they'd just arrested. "They said, 'so, who was in the white van you were associated with?" "I was like, white van? I don't know what you're talking about."
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NeoDotCom
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I was getting tired of Democracy anyway
We gotta keep up with the Chinese
Capitalist Communism for allMcCain 08
4 more years - 3 years ago
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Wilkono
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Yes, and you are ALL making a difference by whining about it on the Internet. If I actually lived in the USA (and indeed, I lived in Minnesota for most of 2006), I would be doing one of two things: either joining those that are bravely defying the police, or leave the country for good.
You can't expect to make a difference on here, muttering about Nineteen Eighty Four, hiding behind your keyboard where your personal safety is greatly improved. Why not actually do something about it instead of clogging the internet with paranoia?
Personally I can't wait until the election is over.
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Wilkono
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uroborus8
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Meanwhile CNN is blindly broadcasting the RNC complete with Christian Rock music. Where is are our journalists? Oh yeah, in jail!
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uroborus8
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jh64487
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quick history lesson. The reason the republicans have become dominated by a fascist neo-conservative movement is because they were nearly extinct by the late 50's. The only people who supported republicans were the rich. Then they got smart and started running a very effective ad and fear campaign starting with Nixon. Remember, Reagan only won because of Iran and the commies, Nixon because of 'Nam (i think I have my presidents and wars right). Bush 1 won because he was relatively moderate and almost unopposed by the Dems. Bush 2 was of course, placed into power through fear-mongering, lies (he even lied to beat McCain remember) and general negative ads, which have become the hallmark of the neo-conservative movement. Through a very sophisticated and slow series of moves, the neo-conservatives have been slowly building towards a fascist state. Neo-conservativism itself was born in the late 50's or early 60's and was a response to the socialistic movements. For instance, remember in Sicko how Nixon seems so vehement about government controlled healthcare. Bush is their crowning moment of glory, for around 5 years he ran almost completely uncontrolled and changed the power structure of our government. The goal with McCain is to solidify and entrench this structure of government to keep the power with the elite. This is very apparent when viewed with an objective eye.
if you read all that, more power to you. the next step is to research Leo Strauss, grandfather of the neo-conservative movement and an ardent fascist.
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Gephoria
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If another civil or Revolutionary war led by patriots were to spawn anywhere in the U.S. and take hold of the country it would be in the Twin Cities and ripple out,
The residents of Minnesota are pissed off that the RNC is here. - 3 years ago
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mordax
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I was just a kid back in late '99, in Seattle visiting family for Thanksgiving, and I remember watching Downtown Seattle from across Puget Sound. I don't remember if I could hear anything all the way over in Alki Point, but watching the news during that time was mildly frightening. Ever since, police departments nationwide have been curbing the rights of citizens to peaceably assemble, and protests (even the millions who marched against the Iraq War a few years back) get very little media coverage.
I can't even say I'm disappointed, because that would imply some surprise at the overreaction of St. Paul's PD. It's old hat by now. At least the trains run on time, right guys?
Guys?
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mordax
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lifestudentno83
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Freedom is dying, and neo-conservatives are killing it. Why? Because people who think freely are harder to control, and they want to control how people think. Fear is the easiest way to manipulate people's thoughts and actions.
As Bill O'Reilly has said before, "Either support your country or shut up." Soon, it will be "Either shut up or be executed."
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vladbox
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What are these people doing expressing their opinion to our government? YOU SHOULD BE AT WALL MART OR TARGET SHOPPING AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE REALITIES.
EVERYTHING IS OK GO SHOPPING AND EAT PIZZA.
BE INTOLERANT, VOTE REPUBLICAN
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vladbox
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_thejournalist_
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What country do I live in.....Yikes!
BTW link is dead
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_thejournalist_:
Not dead, but conjested... has Current started its own form of the Slashdot effect?
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symn8
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that's awesome how there so many people at current and across the internet mad about the injustice and the rape of the civil liberties of this country but most of the rants choose to deal on Palin's babies and obama's pastors instead of actual policies that might affect the direction the country takes in the next four years. so whenever we see this kind of bull happening remember that it is the American people that elected this men and women to office .
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symn8
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symn8:
wrong! Bush was appointed by the scotus.
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isnamthere
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symn8:
no kidding.
he was NOT elected in 2000.
Al Gore won the popular vote.
Where the hell were you?
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Ayahuasca2012
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Welcome to the new and improved U.S. would you like a side of fries with your Fascism?
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drumguy08
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Something needs to happen NOW! Americans need to stand up for their rights and demand that action be taken against uneccessary force being used at the RNC!
The government needs to spend OUR money on more important things!
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kcfoxie
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Change is a problem for the Republicans because it means they won't be getting paid for letting big business slide.
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satanskidney
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its simple cause and effect...a republican presence leads to lack of rights. similar to the black death only a little more red and a lot more painful.
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Chuck_st_chuck
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I care about being a Republican member because I want it back to the old days.
I love the history to bring it to modern times.
I am upset over how SOME republicans portray all of us
but remember the republican part is called the Grand ol Party for a reason..and a republican Revolution is not an oxymoron
How is Change a problem for the republican party? - 3 years ago
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Kynmore
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KMFDM - New American Century
Count your blessings
Walk the line
Don't move too fast
Or fall behind
There are rules you must obey
They get re-written by the day
Don't do this - don't say that
Your every move is logged and tracked
By the all oppressive eye
Spy satellites in friendly skiesThe new american century
Has only just begun
No one exempt from the tragedy
Counterattack start pushing backFight the power
That chokes your speech
Fight the power
That makes you bleed
Fight the power
That propogates lies
To keep you weak
Keep you in line
Fight the power that reigns you in
Divides and conquers
Defines your sin
Fight the power
For one and all
Before the power swallows us wholeNo one dares to say a word
Our panic drives all human herds
In the land where cash is king
Our silence bought and sold for free
The future's banging on our door
When real I.D. will be the law
Love thy neighbor and turn him in
It's call patriotismThe world is watching in disbelief
Chanting shame on you
How can you stand by so quietly
Letting them rape your libertiesYou can't be bothered or concerned
You see no reason for alarm
Prejudice, religion hate
Usher in new mandate
Absolute and resolved
One nation under one god
Lack of interest has its price
As we're stripped of all our rightsThose who cannot learn from history
Are doomed to repeat it! - 3 years ago
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redvelvet1278
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ya, but in 1968 there was not such an air of impending doom, the air was more one of uprising and change. yes horrible things were happening but it wasn't a blanket statement. i think things are far different now Ed
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EdKnowsAll
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This is nothing new. This happened in 1968 and almost(if not every) time since, regardless of who is "in power" in Washington.
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khromadjo
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To say that we need a 'republican revolution' is first and foremost an oxymoron, and more importantly, bat-sh*t insane.
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khromadjo:
McCain and Obama are nearly the same. Their differences are trivial.
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khromadjo:
I would never consider myself a republican or a democrat.
But I voted for Ron Paul.
And I stand by that vote.
I'd vote for him again too. - 3 years ago
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onechance
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Oh Current how I love thee.
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onechance
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Chuck_st_chuck
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I'm Republican
the problem is the social conservatives taking control
same as the greedy money mongrels take over the democratic partythe system is dying and we need a republican party revolution.
but back to kate
the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was written by John Kennedy but was vote into place by the republican party with 80 percent approving it
while only 20 percent of the democrats wanted italso the republican party were responsibility for the abolishment of slavery.
To stop the Democrats’ pro-slavery agenda, anti-slavery activists founded the Republican Party, starting with a few dozen men and women in Ripon, Wisconsin on March 20, 1854. The party spread across the northern and western United States like a prairie fire of freedom. The first Republican state convention was held in Jackson, Michigan in July 1854. The Republican National Committee met for the first time in 1856, followed four months later by the first Republican National Convention. - 3 years ago
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Thanks! I will give a 100 for your historic knowledge and 0 for your awareness of what is going on in the present reality. The past it is important so we can learn a bit from it but we cannot live there. The historic achievements of a Party does not invalidate or cover up its actual responsibility towards the American People. Therefore, it is the present attitudes is that counts.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Thank you for your in depth response. It is interesting. I believe if we studied history we would find that the names of parties dont hold strong over time. Meaning the Republicans of a century ago are now our new Democrats. Republicans of the present seem to be the ones holding down policies to help the civlians. Of course this is all soooo general it is hard to debate. There are both Republicans and Democrats with policies you and I would most likely agree and disagree with. The question is who you feel will further change and progress for economy, environment and people of all race, sexual orientation and class, etc.... I am curious to know if you truly feel the Republican party leaders of today will fight for your civil rights and the civil rights of your children and grandchildren.....?
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intelligenceisacurse
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Chuck:
I have a challange for you.
find out which candidate best supports YOUR opinions.
I bet you'll be surprised.
It's NOT ABOUT PARTIES.
It's about individuals, we elect people, not parties.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
ok chuck, since you seem like you might want to explain yourself- tell me why in gods name if you are so into this country, you are a fan of the present republican party? you do realize that the way the country was a hundred, fifty, twenty five, even four years ago... has totally changed.
i might have been a republican back in the day that you are talking about... now i want my children to grow up in a world where they don't feel horrified of their government.so do tell, why would you want to associate yourself with the most selfish group of people in the country?
(and note if Ron Paul were not so far out i'd be voting republican, but i do try to live with at least one foot on the ground)
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Thanks for educating the ignorant masses.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Republicans now ≠ Republicans then.
and on a similar note...
Democrats now ≠ Democrats then.
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xenothaulus
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This is starting to feel like some sort of viral hoax thing, promoting a movie or something, maybe 1984. It's just unreal.
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onechance
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Keyword here being "WERE". I'm talking about about the Republicans of TODAY. They've run amok. They are just thieves and liars by a different name.
Again, I'm not talking about history as this didn't happen in history, it happened (and IS happening) in the present. Republicans are in office, as "leaders" who are supposed to be checking the law, but are in fact perpetuating its use of corrupt force.
If you want to give history lessons, please do it on another thread.
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onechance:
They are not real Republicans. They are NEOCONS. Even though they CALL themselves Republicans, they are NOT the same thing.
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onechance:
democrats and republicans are both liars and theives
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Chuck_st_chuck
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Wrong ONechance this is what it's like to live in a community ran by a unchecked law man
check your history
Republicans were the founding fathers of civil rights - 3 years ago
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Chuck_st_chuck:
"Republicans were the founding father's of civil rights." ??? Chuck)_st_check please divulge facts for this. I am curious to see what you come up with.
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intelligenceisacurse
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Chuck_st_chuck:
THERE WERE NO REPUBLICANS WHEN OUR "RIGHTS" WERE FOUNDED.
Some people are so stupid it actually hurts.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
whose civil rights?
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Actually you guys, Chuck is right. I paid attention in government class. :D
The Constitution protects private interests of companies in the form of military intervention in case of a riot.
The Bill of Rights was only added after liberals pushed for three years.
Slaves, whom couldn't vote, were counted as three/fifths of a human so that the south would have an equal number of representatives in the House.
The state legislatures originally chose Congressman, but was later fixed by the 17th amendment which requires they be directly elected by the people.
I could go on and on, but the government has actually become MORE liberal as the centuries have passed.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
he said republicans were the founding fathers of civil rights. what you stated doesn't support he's arguement. guess you should paid a little more attention in class.
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Chuck_st_chuck:
hes talking about the ideology of the republicans not the actual name....
jesus
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Chuck_st_chuck:
Oops, you're right symn. I was so mad at the comments I started thinking too hard about it and I got caught up in a tangent. My bad.
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onechance
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THIS IS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE LED BY REPUGLIKLANS...
FEAR, FASCISM, "FAITH"...
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onechance:
This is nothing new. This happened in 1968 and almost(if not every) time since, regardless of who is "in power" in Washington.
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