Who was involved in 9/11? Documentary reveals shocking facts

this thread pisses me off 'cause the movie automatically plays and that is obnoxious.

Inadmissable Evidence.

If the neocons nominated a pomegranate we all can imagine the chorus of praise

- at long last no more prejudiuce against fruit!

- who cares what it "knows" it's been up in a tree!

- If my boss and all the Republicans (not yet indicted) say that fruit is "Presidential Quality" stuff - then dammit - that's the best candidate there is and all you commie-traitors are going to be burned at the stake. Boo-yah!

Why are we surprised?

On an item like 9\11, a crime so monstrous that it is beyond our experience to imagine any one who could plan it, let alone do it, of course the subject is heavily self-censored and subject to self-defense.

That it happened assumes collective guilt. Not that there is collective guilt but everyone knows by now that all the gross errors that let this happen are typical of the modern world and work ethic. We are careless with critical information at the very worst moments.

Besides, it would be too horrible to discover it might be the work of "our own people." There are Monsters Like That among us?

Similarly, it is unnerving to weigh the responsibility of people who knew about it, thought about it, argued about it, failed to act in time to apprehend the real guys, and then lied through their teeth to cover up.

It just never happens that way, does it? We never do any of that, right?

Of course we do. If the last 8 years have proved anything about what people can cope with as Acceptable Evidence, the simple truth is that evidence is evidence and humans look there last.

Agreeing with each other that some evidence is emotionally unacceptable is foolhardy, and reminding the foolhardy that what is needed is a fair look at evidence is at best premature. We don't want to know how bad things might be, because then someone would have to do something about it, and no one knows what that might be. We are that divided.

So we persist in electing and re-electing the same baboons with the same smash and grab ethics decade after decade.

Stanley Milgram detonated the myth of "we're better than that" decades ago. Would we torture people to death like the Nazi? Ooops! Yes!

As an experiment, unwitting subjects did exactly that then, and as a legal doctrine now it is permitted. The Nuremberg Trials have been sent down the memory hole. "I was under orders!" now works just fine as sufficient justification for summary execution of "suspects".

What Milgram discovered was that those most likely to obey authority, beyond what was legal, ethical or even reasonable, were those professionals best conditioned by authority to do what they were told, unquestioningly, and believe what they were told - unquestioningly.

What is true about 9\11 I have no idea. But as to the knee-jerk goaltending to kick out new evidence - no way.

Unless you are particularly fearful of what it might mean: the question remains open.

Listen, it is easy to outwit the multi billion dollar most technologically advanced air force for nearly 2 hours in the most protected airspace on earth, it happens everday!
Having three fire coded steel framed buildings fall in complete symmetry from smoldering embers of office furniture and wall components in one day DOES NOT DEFY THE ODDS, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!
And of course passports (made of paper) can survive fireballs just like Saqamis and Attas because they were traveling with death defying identification, ANYONE CAN GET THESE PASSPORTS!
And how about Attas car found near Logan, but his image is caught on film in Portland Me. all in the same day? You see Mr. Atta can multiply his image by dimensional transference, ANYONE CAN DO IT!
Now how did Mr. Hanjour a Cessna pilot dropout happen to hit the Pentagon where they were investigating trillions in missing Pentagon monies vaporizing the accountants and evidences? I don't know but he must have that all seeing eye inherent to all 'Muslim Radicals'.
The 15 war games taking our air force to Canada and Alaska to intercept a mock Soviet invasion that day? Only 'Jihadists' know how to manipulate the worlds most advanced airforce.
I'd love to go on but my fingers get tired, tired of having to educate the brainwashed masses who will pontificate on the first thing they know about without looking in the mirror.
A child could have figured what a deception this was, it was a sloppy crime, pitifully sloppy. Most American adults would never understand children anyways, they are too busy watching NASCAR,MLBNFLCBSCN, they are too busy telling themselves what an honorable and great nation they live in. What ambergris

Well, now you understand the precarious position of people who dispute facts.

Disagreement is Treason, a fine non sequitur and very popular on this page especially with one guy who looks like he hasn't been alive until recently and is kept alive on a steady diet of crack and angel dust..

That statement is just another -

1/ 'Ad Hominem Argument', which consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.

Let's look at some recent and spectacular examples -

- "bush commisioned the 911 commitee, you dont know what the#@$$ your talking about." [Appeal to Authority]

- “I got a conspiracy that is even too wild for you nut cases-----AL Queda did it! Why in the hell are you are gonna go along with films that are produced by america haters in europe who have been waiting all their lives to destroy america---go ahead follow them you america hating traitors.” [Disagreement is Treason]

- “Besides, All this shiite has already been debunked, your all like a bunch of little stupid children who will believe anything.” [Ad Hominem]

- “The Govn didn't lie about 911 that is the problem, you and this video can be disputed on each and every point. [Appeal to Authority, Non Sequitur]

- The fact that you would push known lies as truth means you don't think as highly about this country as you claim, because you know what-----this EMBOLDENS americas enemies and it gets our soldiers killed. [Disagreement is Treason]

- “my definition of nuts, people who will accept every explaination of something except one ----the straitforward and probable common sense way. The Govn didn't lie about 911 that is the problem, you and this video can be disputed on each and every point. [Ad Hominem AND Disagreement is Treason]

- The fact that you would push known lies as truth means you don't think as highly about this country as you claim, because you know what-----this EMBOLDENS americas enemies and it gets our soldiers killed. Some people NEED everything to be a conspiracy, well somethings things happen and believe it or not they weren't planned by a kabal“ [Disagreement is Treason]

- “i shouldn't have to connect the dots for you people, you should have done the homework and research yourself before you so willingly ran off and supported something so insane just because you were mad at bush for winning the election.” [Ad Hominem AND Disagreement is Treason]

Ummm...that was a screenplay pretending to be a documentary to what end?

After watching it in it's entirety (even with the out of sync soundtrack), I found it to be a thoughtfully put together film that asks many of the questions I've wondered about for the past 7 years.
It sends a clear message to the powers that be to prepare themselves for some serious litigation in treasonous acts against humanity.
Let's just make damn sure that we, the people, have the best prosecutorial team available.
GWB and Company will have unlimited resources for their defense.

What's funny about this whole thing is both sides have experts from the various fields to prove their theories and everyone is going to believe what they want to.
Any data can be construed to show whatever people want to see.

The important thing to remember is george bush and co. are fu..ing a..hole criminals who would screw their own mothers to make a buck for themselves and their puppet masters. They don't love this country! They love money and power.They don't even understand what this country stands for!!Most of them ran and hid behind daddy's money and mommy's skirt when the time came to defend OUR country. And all of you blathering sheeple who keep buying into this bullshit about "America having to flex it's muscle" to make the rest of the world " respect" us are ignorant. Your like all those gang bangers and gun nuts who spew that crap. People don't respect guns and power, they fear them.They respect intelligence and compassion. If people fear you, you always have to watch your back because fear spawns hate and hate is dangerous. If we want respect we need to change our foreign policy and respect other countries borders and beliefs. Just because people don't think and act and believe like we do doesn't make them evil. It makes them different,and that's not always a bad thing. you have to experience different things to learn. you don't learn by reading the same book over and over(hint,hint bible thumpers, you're ruining our country too.)

I guess I got off the point a little. Sorry about that, but people like this montasooma jerk -off make my blood boil. You have no idea what this great country stands for. It's not about controlling the world. It's about living within the world community as a neighbor and friend of all nations in peace.And if the people at current want to flag this response as a personal attack.go ahead but it really isn't . its an attack on hate bigotry and ignorance. The people who hate us do so because of our govt.'s hypocrisy in dealing with other people. They don't hate the American people per se, they hate our policies and the fact that we keep putting these same war-mongering pedophiles in office over and over. Guess I'm going to stop now .Until next time chao.

Oh, I don't doubt that A Qaeda smashed those
hijacked airplanes into the Twin Towers & the Pentagon.
They would not likely take credit for that evil misdeed
unless they actualy did. Nor would Osama BinLaden,their
leader elaborate on why during his Spring 2005 interview
with the foreign correspondent. The Swiss Government
minister who spoke out recently urging all parties to sit
down and parlay with Al Qaeda to end the Terrorism
would probably agree that since noncommunication is
inherently hostile, for Peace to prevail there MUST be
a change in policy which I'm sure Mr.Obama would be
willing to implement somehow.Vietnam was ended by
means of the French as an intermediary.The Afghan
War could end in Geneva as well.What I was trying to
get at is by analogy: Who is responsible for a shooting
Homocide? Is it the person who pulls the trigger? Is it
the gun manufacturer? Or is it instead the gun dealer
who sold the shooter the weapon? Obviously it's all
who contributed to the shooting.Here in America there
is an appalling attitude that if there's a problem, we
should not end the problem to accomplish the Domestic
Tranquility(Peace). We should simply exploit the problem
by selling The People snake oil quack cures, make a ton of money,then blame whoever looks good to take a fall.
It's reminiscent of Mel Brooks' History of the World'
Part 1 where the first national anthem is satired as:
"Hooray for cave 641, and screw all you other guys"
Bush's Piracy R US simply capitalized on all the misery
which his father's running mate Ronald Ray-Gun(as
in Star Wars) started by invading Lebanon causing the
Dominos to cascade into 9/11. During the days of
Viet Nam we used to call this pattern a "cluster fuck"
because back then there were B52s to carpet bomb.
Believe me Asherp I can see all the duplicity. As the noir
detectives say: Follow the money trail. The top of the
food chain that masterminded Bush being erected so
that they could loot $2.3 Trillion in a year, and knock
off the Iraqi Central Bank's Gold Depository of $8
Billion in one night's heist make BIG MONEY from the
Terrorism scam they've concocted from Reagan's era

so who did it?

I totally doubt the validity of the 9/11 story
The true problem with this is the effect on the minds of the citizens of the world
We are earning our image of the "Evil Empire"
If something really does happen we'll just call wolf

Here's another video that claims controlled explosions.
I have watched controlled explosions in Las Vegas, NV.
This looks like one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34

so, you accept the explanation that doesnt really explain what happened?
did you watch the documentary?

i shouldn't have to connect the dots for you people, you should have done the homework and research yourself before you so willingly ran off and supported something so insane just because you were mad at bush for winning the election.

my definition of nuts, people who will accept every explaination of something except one ----the straitforward and probable common sense way.
Some people NEED everything to be a conspiracy, well somethings things happen and believe it or not they weren't planned by a kabal

The official story is a conspiracy theory as well. It says that 19 Saudis conspired to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.

I don't have any problems with this part of the official story. There are a bunch of omissions in the official story, like where they got their funding, the war games that were going on that morning that mimicked the attacks and created confusion, the war games which kept NORAD's hands tied and left the entire eastern seaboard undefended, the fact that Osama Bin Laden is still listed as a CIA operative, the anti-terrorism laws which were all written before 9-11, the PNAC documents, operation Northwoods...

Before those who value the Truth, and realy don't want to be made fools of, stereotype those who believe in Conspiracy(s) as "nuts", please think on this concept.Websters Dictionary (which every Court in America accepts as enough of an authority on our
Americanized English language to regard it as a virtual
restatement of existing law ie.secondary authority after
the Statutes) defines Conspiracy as a combination of 2 or more entities. So how many of us in this World are realy able to pull off such obviously organized crime as the 9/11 holocost all by themselves?In 05, while being Felony Staked by a criminal Syracuse,N.Y.FBI agent nicknamed psycho Mike, who'd already threatened me with Murder 1, I witnessed that diseased Neandertaal confess before other witnesses: "We allowed the 9/11 Terrorist bombing to occur so that we could have Congress pass the kind of laws that WE wanted them to pass"
Rest assured that I will be forwarding a formal
complaint to the Justice Inspector General's Office
which reports to the next Congress. And that I will be
soliciting Dennis Cucinich's Congressional Office to
allow me to testify as a citizen Journalist witness in his Impeachment Investigation of Hitler Bush who combined with the FBI to allow 9/11 to be staged for the Murderous purposes they've had: to Subvert the Constitution,valid existing U.S.Statutes governing Eavesdropping which New York establishes as a Felony, Subversion of New York Statutes in their Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights under the color of authority as a Felony(title 18 USC sections 241,242),ABC TV distribution of home Felony Eavesdropped info,telephone calls,faxes,home Email to accomplish Piracy,Copyright Infringement of Intellectual Property,Mail Robbery, unlawful opening of private U.S.Postal Service dlvd 1st class mail, unlawful mass distribution of personal mail readings by FBI operative ABC TV Dan Cummings,which Bush has praised for Racketeering,Subversion of New York 1904 Equity in Privacy Law.FBI/ABC Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice in U.S.Courts.FBI agent Phil Luny &
30 of his mob, FBI Director Mueller all implicated.
As regards Reps Cucinnich & McDermott's petition to Congress to Impeach Hitler Bush, there is a long,Racketeering laundry list of many other complainants legal grounds enough to establish "High Crimes & Misdemeanors" that Pelosi has been pretending not to know exist for the purpose of accomplishing Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice also. As a matter of Conspiracy folklore,Immagine holding out the fingers of both hands at 180 degree angles about 1 foot from your eyes..Then interlock each hand's 4 fingers.seeing both thumbs up..Now turn them inside out so that your palms are now at -45 degree angles..Then remember what People have allways said about the "spire" part of Conspiracy:This is the Church, this is the steeple, turn them inside
out and here's all The People. My dad used to tell that
to me.As Nick Cage's movie,It's my National Treasure.

Wow...hit a nerve did we montesooma?

Debunked?...show me.

Israel did it.

Besides, All this shiite has already been debunked, your all like a bunch of little stupid children who will believe anything.

I got a conspiracy that is even too wild for you nut cases-----AL Queda did it!
Why in the hell are you are gonna go along with films that are produced by america haters in europe who have been waiting all their lives to destroy america---go ahead follow them you america hating traitors

9-11 was an inside job.

Voted up.

articspirit, what theory are they presenting?
did they draw any conclusions?
i think they left that part for you to do.
all they did was explain as best as they could the events of that day and clarified any information relevant to the explanation of their events.
if anything this is a better documentary than loose change and the like, they dont tell you what to think, they just tell you what, as far as they can tell, actually happened.
they dont try to draw any conclusions about motives or who exactly planned it all out, thats for you, the viewer, to do on your own.
if you dont think it comes from a reliable source for whatever reason, thats your choice, but if you think that somehow the facts presented are fallacies, then do some research for yourself, and tell us about it.
dont just blindly reject it because you dont think it was a conspiracy, thats not even what they're saying
the people who produced this documentary were just frustrated and wanted to find out the truth, i doubt they went out with forgone conclusions, looking for the people who support them, like the 9/11 commission did.

Our government is so dirty.

Promote The Disclosure Project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

A teacher of Adobe Photo Shop? And you think your argument stands up against those of engineers and building experts? Are you shitting me??!! Come on!

I'm not necessarily sold on the conspiracy that the govt. was involved in the attack. I'm not saying they weren't cause there are some questions,but I'm keeping an open mind.I think at the least they knew it was going down and did nothing about it. But the questions about the structural integrity of the buildings needs to be looked into.

For people to just blindly believe the "official" version is just ludicrous. Look at the events of the last 8 years. They have lied to us at every turn. Wake up people!!!

Check out http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ along the lines of a 9/11 conspiracy, it offers 3 parts part 1: Christian Religion, part 2: 9/11 conspiracy and part 3: federal reserve facts... very interesting just beware! watch with an open mind!!!!!

after knowing that the 2000 elections were sabotage and learning that the Bush administration lied about Iraq, among with its personnel being accused of corruption. I would not be surprised about 9/11 in fact I would be extremely mad because it involved loss of life and hiding information base on the incident is a disgrace.

I usually enjoy your posts, Vierotchka, thanks for another great one :]

My father is a hardcore conservative, and 9/11 is a topic that we often argue about. I would like to buy this a watch it with him. :]

Our God will take care of this in his own way.
I did not vote for this president and he was elected
again the republicans stole the office twice and millions of Americans voted for this administration twice lets not make this mistake again they are all alike

i'm glad this "CONSPIRACY" is getting more mainstream

maybe we can stop the lies (ie. the "official" story)

Actually, it was not produced to be sold and aired in Russia, that is where it happens to have had its first official viewing. You need to read more slowly and carefully, this way you won't jump to erroneous conclusions all the time.

You obviously have less understanding of Russia than does Palin!

As for your analysis, it is naive and completely wrong.

The FBI itself admitted that it does not have evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.

With regard to poor quality videos, it is not because they are copied over and over again that they lose quality since they are digital. It is because those uploading them have rendered them in low quality.

Do you have a link to that Al Jazeera video you mentioned? Please post it if you do, I am very curious to see it. When was it released?

You seem to specialize in making logical fallacies!

With regard to conspiracy theories, the official one is the zaniest and most illogical of all, and doesn't hold water.

That is interesting, on many levels.
First, that it was produced to be sold and aired in Russia, and Russia is seeking to become a dominate power and they are taking an anti-democracy stance, which carries over to an anti-American view. They will have to put out substantial propaganda to seed that with the current generation.

In the film itself... I don't buy their theory.
It's not a mystery, but people always want to find conspiracy or mystery in everything, and even those are usually seeded by people who would directly benefit from such theory.
The people stress that the buildings should endure a plane crash. But was it to be filled with cross-country amount of fuel? And, with the 2 crashes, each crash would shake and possibly damage the structure of both buildings, as they are close together and the impact could be felt even on the streets.
The color of the smoke, indicates that the jet fuel and buildings are in fact burning inside the buildings.
The french building was mostly open, thus not finished and didn't have an impact to it and an additional impact to a building exactly like it and right beside it. Big difference.

As I said, it is interesting on many levels.
I followed the conspiricy theories as any curious person would do and each time stuff didn't make sense.

Or it was evidence due to poor video quality (when you make copies of video it degenerates... same as this... try signing your name on a piece of paper. Copy this on a regular copy machine. Then take the copy you just made, and use it to make a second generation copy... keep doing that. After 20 generations, does it look like the original (digital copiers have come a long way, but chances are you can see a change). Now apply this to the hundreds or thousands of times some of these videos were copied.) I have seen many theories that did not take that into consideration when they presented how it was all done in "photoshop". Yeah. nice.
They may have been sincere, but as a former teacher of Adobe Photoshop, I looked at the evidence and it was not what they said.

I am not arguing with anyone about what happened. I would like to see the event filed further back in history so that the people's who lost family and friends didn't have it put in their face as a graphic reminder so often.

I don't see an overwhelming population of people that witnessed the tragedy in person, in NY coming forth in droves saying that anything was fake, an inside job or anything else.
If any population would do that for the sake of truth, it would have been an overwhelming amount of testimony from the people who were there that day, and it would have happened within the first year for sure. People in NY are far from silent.

Conspiricy therories are often seeded by those who have interest in blurring the truth.

Sep 7 - By Bassem Mroue, Associated Press Writer
Al-Jazeera broadcast Thursday a previously unshown video of the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks, in which al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is seen meeting with some of the planners in an Afghan mountain camp.ins.

Oh and.. then we hear Prominent Sheiks in parts of Pakistan, on current.tv vanguard report, no less, deny that Bin Laden was even involved.

Oh well. Take it for what it is. No more. No less.

@ _thejournalist_ - would you then impugn the credibility and professionalism of all these people at: http://tinyurl.com/3cwt44 ?

Frankly, every one of them is worth a thousand times better than you and have total credibility, of which you certainly don't have the first scintilla.

Thanks for posting all of these. Great post.

Questions about 911 persist because the Bush administration persisted in trying to cover it all up. His administration still refuses to release EVERY picture of the Pentagon at the time of said 'impact'.

The co-chairs of the 911 Commission (which Bush opposed) have said that they were lied to, obstructed and misled.

They don't even believe their own work. Why should anyone else believe it?

This replaces all films on my list of ones that I must and will see, thanks to a courageous UK distributer.
Thank you, Vierotchka, for finding this.

somehow the laws of physics decided not to work on the day of the attacks, buildings collapsed at freefall speed, and whole planes dissapeared. That is just the tip of the iceburg