Over 70 percent of CEOs fear Obama presidency will be disastrous
source: http://jazz-from-hell.blogspot.com/2008/10/over-70-percent-of-ceos-fear-obama.html
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thepatient
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Instead of hasty conclusions derived from bitter ignorance, let's think about this.
If the CEOs throughout the country don't want Obama, there is probably a fucking really good reason for it. Let's say that Obama taxes the shit out of big business, what happens? Remember now, we have to think about this. They will leave the country, cut jobs, put the new "Change" expenses on the employees and consumers. What will that do? Increase prices, decrease sales and revenue, hinder the economy. When we are losing businesses, we lose jobs. When unemployment increases, so will our taxes to cover all the people who are out. All in all, higher corporate taxes hinders economic development.
On the otherhand, Reaganomics worked quite well, if we remember. By cutting the corporate taxes from 71% to 20% or so, businesses could reap massive profits. Now these corps who reach massive profits use that money that they make to progress their products and services, that money is sent out through the employees who, with the increase in money, spend it out to other corporations (benefiting other companies). The richie riches that everyone here hates so much, guess what, they SPEND THEIR MONEY. Is that bad? Now, that's actually a really good thing. Because the massive spending helps increase other businesses. Reaganomics created 21,000,000 jobs. Business flooded to the US during it all, and Free Market solutions ensued.
We could go socialist. You know, tax the shit out of everyone, redistribute the wealth, but as we see, socialized solutions don't work nearly as well as business solutions. Boeing made better airplanes than the USSR's socialized production system. FREE MARKET IS THE KEY TO CHANGE. Instead of expecting the idiots in Washington to fix all of our problems (let's say that there are maybe 10,000 of them), why not distribute the rights to solutions to the markets, which contains like 280,000,000 of us who work for these 'evil corporations'.
Instead of talking points, let's discuss and analyze with logic.
- 3 years ago
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thepatient
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alicynx
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thepatient:
Here's an even bigger picture: We have, since the Reagan Era, slowly chipped away at regulations and opened the market more and more. Here's a great book about the way he expanded the govt - http://www.independent.org/store/book_detail.asp?bookID=47 and another link (albeit an op-ed one) about Reaganomics: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Ronald_Reagan_Legacy.html
Instead of pulling out the USSR and its failed policies related more to greed in the Communist upper echelons, why not pull out the economic growth of France or the burgeoning socialist progress of the UK as examples of how socialist policies can really work? I find those to be more relevant than the rape-and-pillage style of government the Soviets employed in the name of Communism...
- 3 years ago
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alicynx
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alicynx
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thepatient:
Here is another great link to a reputable firm working in the economic sector on the legacy of the Reagan administration. It is extremely relevant in terms of the analysis (in hindsight) of Reagan's policies and the damage they wreaked on the American people. Reaganomics benefited the guys at the top, once again, at the expense of those at the bottom. Personally I feel as an American that when we all succeed then the country is strong; Wall St is NOT America, and if we put them ahead of the people, what we get is the shit we're neck-deep in now. Reagan didn't give a shit about the people, and because of it he increased our national debt, unemployment, homelessness (he fucking threw mental patients out on the street), and spawned the "me generation" - the 80's sucked, and he was instrumental in ensuring they did.
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alicynx
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thepatient
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thepatient:
I'm talking about growing the economy. I am no talking about what you think about the 80's. Growing the people's pocket's on the top ALSO grows the pocket's of everyone else. You don't get something for nothing, which is how socialism is supposed to work (through entitlement and distribution). We'll see how it works out when Obama wins. If our economy ends up getting fucked, then I'd have made a good point. If it ends up great, then go you. What happens happens.
- 3 years ago
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thepatient
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torybart
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I take this as very good news.
- 3 years ago
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torybart
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ArtLiquidBlogspot
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Fairness, is just the opposite of who they are?
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ArtLiquidBlogspot
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AlbeeYap
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they fear they will have to pay taxes
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AlbeeYap
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ArtLiquidBlogspot
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The wealth has already been re-disturbed to the top level, Remember, the instant tax increase at $147.00 for a barrel for oil.........Enron style?? now 87.00 ,the fix was IN and is still in?
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ArtLiquidBlogspot
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UrbanGypsy
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Lets just hope these powerful CEOs dont pay anyone to do a certain horrible act to Obama...
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UrbanGypsy
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sacrebleu
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CEO's are just looking at someone to blame for the eggs they laid. Anyone with half a brain knows that whoever becomes the next president is stepping into a shit-storm, but McCain won't actually change anything. He just wants things to go back to normal ie. keep these folks at the top, and continue to not care about all the people they're crushing to stay up there. Of course they're hoping McCain wins because they know they'll get away with more and continue to have their asses wiped by everyone else instead of taking responsibility for their actions...just like those rich brats in high school who would crash their new cars and then run to daddy for a new one. Obama just won't put up with it and won't keep rewarding them so of course they absolutely detest him.
- 3 years ago
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sacrebleu
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unphiltered
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Yes it needs regulation, but guess what we still need a free market economy that allows businesses who can't make it to GO UNDER. As much as I despise the corporate world, they are right, just as small business owners are in fear as well. Basically anyone who has any control or stake in any company is fearing Obama. That means the everyday person who is aware financially sees the possible downfall Obama may bring, and no not every business owner is a greedy bad human being. A good number of small businesses that are operating now are struggling and Obama's economics will hurt them. But by all means, vote Obama, you will see for yourself. Continue to fall into the mass media love of this man of "hope" and continue to turn away people with legitimate economic plans like Ron Paul.
- 3 years ago
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unphiltered
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sleepnomore
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unphiltered:
Ron Paul does have a lot good ideas. I wish his voice could've been heard more. Not that I would vote for him but he does have some sound ideas.
- 3 years ago
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sleepnomore
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sleepnomore
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CEO's fear the Democratic plan to redistribute wealth. Raise taxes so Americans can't afford to buy the companies products and even more fear about the government being part of the free market. You think it's bad now. Wait til Obama flips the economy on it's ear with government handouts. During a recession no less.
- 3 years ago
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sleepnomore
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IMMININT
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sleepnomore:
Yeah, or we can just allow companies like AIG to abuse the "bail-out," and take lavish vacations with tax money. Wake up junior... Corporate America needs regulation.
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IMMININT
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sleepnomore
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sleepnomore:
And yes the government are the right folks to do it. Yea right! I don't need Nancy freakin Polsi making any corporate decision on my behalf. Read an economics book why don't ya!
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sleepnomore
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IMMININT
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sleepnomore:
Yep, whichever way you look at it.. YOURE FUCKED.
"Gov't controls itself", and you have we have "no influence over corporations... "
"Why do the wheels keep spinning?"
That's because you need to let off the gas. - 3 years ago
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IMMININT
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Stradius
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It will be much harder for failing corporations to whine for taxpayer money bailouts under Obama.
- 3 years ago
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Stradius
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eldamon
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Of course CEO's want McCain, President Obama is their worst nightmare come true. No CEO wants a person with a brain or spine in charge.
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eldamon
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alecks
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You are all such hypocrites, arguing for the sense of argument. You would be NOWHERE without big business and you know it.
Don't underestimate the quality of life you all enjoy. Yeah, we are in somewhat tough times now, unemployment MAY reach 7-8%, but a liberal socialist agenda has NEVER worked in a capitalist country.
Are you all seriously considering going back to Carter's anti-capitalist approach? Was ANYONE around long enough to remember those days?
- 3 years ago
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alecks
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Grooverider
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alecks:
Alecks, there is no doubt that the corporation is largely responsible for our quality of life, but the issue at hand is the lack of responsibility at the highest levels of corporate control. Do you think it is right for Richard Fuld of Lehman Brothers to be awarded 20 million in 'extra' payments the day the corp files for bankruptcy?
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Grooverider
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alecks
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alecks:
Of course much more oversight is required and will be of much benefit to our economic system.
I just feel Obama will take this to an extreme and strongly over-regulate. I could be wrong and I hope I am.
- 3 years ago
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alecks
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kennyJ
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alecks:
Suggesting that America can do better than it as done over the past 8 years is NOT the same as being anti- capitalist- You have created a FALSE dichotomy in your MIND- There is a middle ground in which capitalistic tenets and the middle class can prosper. Bush was EXTREMIST and his agenda promoted specific CARTELs (oil, military, big pharma etc.) far more than true free market capitalism...
OPEN your eyes!
- 3 years ago
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kennyJ
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kcfoxie
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alecks:
Prior to my generation, my family largely grew their own food and used clothes lines. Enter my generation with our iPods, internet and fancy subscription-based corporation-backed luxuries, now everyone has them.
So, no, I don't think corporations helped everyone. We're just too afraid of having to WALK somewhere and sweat a little bit to change.
However, that's bound to happen regardless.
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kcfoxie
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HolyCity2012
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alecks:
well put "kcfoxie"
Americans are going to have to go back to Carter era ideals whether by choice or necessity.
It's only a matter of time.
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HolyCity2012
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phoenixtoo
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alecks:
you go Kenny J couldn't put it better myself, thank you
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phoenixtoo
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mtbailey
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After witnessing all the greedy corruption from CEO's in this current financial crisis, it doesn't bother me at all that they feel this way. Their opinion actually makes me think the Obama presidency is exactly what we need.
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mtbailey
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islek
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Please. Are these CEOs really so dense that they feel one person is going to make or break the United States?
(If anyone gets on my case about "just look at what Bush did," you can hold your comments now. He has not done a good job and I do not promote his policies, but to claim that he is solely responsible for our current state of affairs is plain ignorant. That would mean we are completely powerless as voters and citizens, and that our government is a dictatorship.)
- 3 years ago
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islek
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Grooverider
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The idea of creating a 'trickle' down effect with corporate tax cuts should be thrown out the window with this mess. CEO's taking multi million dollar bonuses while taxpayers foot the bill is a monumental failure on the administrations part. Let's not let this happen again.
- 3 years ago
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Grooverider
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stone246
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this is interesting .so the ceo prefer McCain over Obama while the Economist prefer Obama over McCain by almost the same margin. Interesting perspective. so whose right ?
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stone246
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alecks
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stone246:
Less than 10% of the economists interviewed were Republican. What kind of answers did you honestly expect?
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alecks
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phoenixtoo
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stone246:
is it possible that an understanding of the economy might possible influence the choice of one's party?
- 3 years ago
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phoenixtoo
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Releaser31
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All they have to do is hire an economic hitman. they have the money to do it.
- 3 years ago
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Releaser31
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DrJayV3
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These corporate fat cats could stand to lose a little weight anyways. If you have more to give...give more.
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DrJayV3
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CalgarC
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lmfao what did you expect. of course ceo's don't want change they want cash and favors :D
- 3 years ago
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CalgarC
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theoneace
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ya big CEO's love lots of money. Old man McCain has bin giving CEO's Tax brakes for a vary long time. "1991" !!!!
- 3 years ago
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theoneace
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krag2112
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Do you mean more so than Bush has already done? Given that we are two land wars in the middle east right now and we have just seen the single largest government intrusion into private industry in our country's history (with more to come)...it's hard to imagine an Obama administration doing much worse.
So...how exactly are McCain's policies different than Bush's?
- 3 years ago
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krag2112
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jonny2times
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i think the potential of an obama presidency being disasterous is independent of corporate america all together, if obama screws the country, it'll be by stirring up a bunch of hornet nests in the middle east, or with turning america into a socialist nation and envoking radicals of everykind on our own soil.
- 3 years ago
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jonny2times
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alicynx
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jonny2times:
Perhaps you haven't seen lately that the Middle East is already a hornet's nest and Bush is holding the big stick?
Get off the "socialism is evil" shtick, unless you're ready to give up socialized police and fire departments. Its not evil, and neither candidate is going to socialize the nation.
Phbbt. - 3 years ago
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alicynx
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krag2112
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kennyJ is exactly right. Trickle down and deregulation have failed. The key to a strong economy is a strong MIDDLE CLASS, not heaping more wealth on those who already have it. Americans are finally waking up to this reality, and that's why the Republicans are so scared.
- 3 years ago
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krag2112
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kennyJ
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Well CEO's who make millions would PREFER McCain's(Bush's) tax plan- since it benefits them more than other Americans. The problem is as the recent 700 billion bail out shows, "trickle down" economics clearly doesn't work for middle class people! However I think history has shown this before.
As for the notion that Obama= socialism. The US government under Bush has just 'socialized' far more business than anything Obama would ever do... Not to mention McCain's promise to have the government BUY 300 billion in personal mortgages!
Now if CEO's are considered "job creators" and Bush's economic agende worked- why then is the economy where it is today?
- 3 years ago
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kennyJ
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superfinet
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of course they want another pocket PUPPET in that chair... they can walk all over the gov't and everyone points and blames the guy in the oval office....
- 3 years ago
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superfinet
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khromadjo
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That's rather telling...
- 3 years ago
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khromadjo
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daboz
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The CEO were doing a great job until the Democrats stuck their noses into free enterprise by forcing wage requirements on them and budensome taxes, which hurt us all. If you are going to blame this current mess on them or Bush , you are only showing your ignorance of the Bankling system and our economic system in general. Be my guest, YOU are the reason that Obamas plans will be disasterours, You are to lazy to even get educated by a Business program on a station like CNBC. I'll guarantee you that they are not all screaming it is Bushs economic policies that caused this or the CEO's
This was a planned move by the Communists in our Government to take control of the economic end of Capitalism. Putting Obama in charge will only make the move to Communism complete with a Marxist at it's head.
Wake up losers, you are giving your country away with your ignorance of what is going on here.
This was caused by Sub-Prime loans and Hedging their bets with inadequate Insurance or reserves. Go look up the people that pushed these loans and the deregulation that allowed them to get away with it. That will be you truth, if you are even interested in the truth.
As I suspect on a Al Gore forum , they have nothing but paid stooges and PC monitors that despise free speech.
- 3 years ago
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daboz
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ChristmasAsen
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daboz:
Replace Communist with Republicans and you are on the money.
- 3 years ago
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ChristmasAsen
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daboz
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daboz:
The Republicans fought this move, or did you fail to notice. Bush is a RINO , so him backing a Communist move is no surprise. You Democrats really should love the job he did. Ethanol, drug program, roe v wade untouched. Made war like every Democrat President ever in office. You are only fooling yourself and I suspect the accuser here is being paid the money, an old Clinton trick.
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daboz
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ChristmasAsen
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daboz:
First of all, I am not a Democrat. Second, I thought the fear of communism died in the 80s? Third, what the fuck is a RINO? Fourth, how the hell does this in anyway demise free speech?
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ChristmasAsen
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petarro
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daboz:
Doing a great Job doing what? Getting rich?
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petarro
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petarro
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daboz:
"First of all, I am not a Democrat. Second, I thought the fear of communism died in the 80s?"
What!? Have you forgot there's at least 10 Communist Countries?
Russia is getting back to it, slowly, and yes, maybe with another name. "Putinism" we shall call it soon.
Cuba, North Korea are there too. Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, CHINA!And soon, Bolivia, Venezuela and others are throwing inside Socialism which will eventually lead to Communism enforced by Authoritarians.
Seriously...
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petarro
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CoggsleyZugZug
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daboz:
Those Reds! They're coming out of floors?! We must protect our precious bodily fluids at all costs.
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CoggsleyZugZug
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krag2112
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daboz:
Paranoid nonsense.
- 3 years ago
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krag2112
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eldamon
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daboz:
Wow not sure what's worse, the fact you may actually believe any of that or that you think anyone else is dumb enough to believe any of that.
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eldamon
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crobertson2345
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daboz:
And actually if done correctly communism is not all that bad. Better then capitalism. Everything in moderation.
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crobertson2345
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petarro
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"Pay baby Pay!" No tolerance to Millionaires wanting to get much wealthier!
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petarro
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HolyCity2012
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In a related story: Three out of four Mormons would prefer Mitt Romney to John McCain.
In other news, Two wolves and one sheep are voting on what to eat for lunch, predictions abound.
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HolyCity2012
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HolyCity2012:
hahaha! awesome.
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wrek_havok
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phoenixtoo
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HolyCity2012:
thanks that was great laughed my ass off
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phoenixtoo
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LarzNero
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All the more reason to vote Obama. Those CEOs did a great job with the U.S. economy, right?
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LarzNero
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ChristmasAsen
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Again, I wonder how the McCain supporters will spin this.
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ChristmasAsen
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rwylie
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Just another reason why he should get in.
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rwylie
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picKFishStudios
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In politics these days its all about big business, and building "the empire," all in the name of the new world order. This article is not really news, but common sense.
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picKFishStudios
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CalgarC
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picKFishStudios:
correction "World Odor"
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CalgarC
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NeoDotCom
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Duh
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NeoDotCom
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neocongo
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CEOs preferred Bush to similar margins, and we saw how well that worked. I think CEOs need to start paying a little less attention to politics, and a little more attention to staying afloat without the support of public funds.
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neocongo
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kennyJ
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neocongo:
EXACTLY!
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kennyJ
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Smothmoth
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Wonder why?
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Smothmoth
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