McCain, Palin accused of inciting hatred
source: http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/10/12/Palin_probe_rocks_McCain_campaign
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McCain has been forced to try and tone down his supporters at his rallies as they increasingly shout out "terrorist", "liar" and even "kill him" when Obama is mentioned.
"He's a decent family man (and) citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign's all about," McCain said at the town-hall meeting in Lakeville, Minnesota.
The plea, which seems to undercut the thrust of his aggressively negative ad campaign, drew boos from the crowd but appreciative recognition from Obama.
Critics say the seething anger seen at McCain rallies has been whipped up by campaign ads which have accused the Democrat of associating with terrorists.
Civil rights campaigner John Lewis today said McCain and Palin were "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" with their incendiary rhetoric against Obama.
"As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Senator McCain and (Alaska) Governor Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all," Lewis said in a statement on Politico.com
McCain has also been forced to sack a prominent Virginia Republican figure after he wrote a newspaper column mocking a potential Barack Obama administration.
MCCain spokesman Bobby May was dropped from his job as McCain's Buchanan County campaign chairman for writing that Obama would paint the whitehouse black and hire rapper Ludacris to rewrite the national anthem.
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I CANNOT BELIEVE SARAH PALIN KEEPS SAYING THINGS TO BERATE BARACK OBAMA...WHAT ABOUT HER NOT RESPONDING TO A SUMMONS FOR HER TO GO TO COURT.... ISN'T THAT
ILLEGAL???MERLE
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PressCore
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I won't dignify that twisted cross with an answer. We were invited, in good faith, by current.com to comment on the news article, and not to make ad hominem slander against the commentors. It's Libelous and wrongful to falsely accuse Mr.Obama to be a Communist when law requires all Communists to register. Mr.Obama is a Democrat Senator, who obviously ISN'T a Communist except in the twisted interpretation of skinhead loosers.. It's also Libelous and wrongful to commit to dirty tricks by maliciously claiming he associates with criminals when noone who is a convicted criminal has been witnessed being seen with him. Obviously, those who ARE blinded with hate can't see anything. What I can read, per the
verified news articles current.com's contributing citizen
Journalists have researched and forwarded here, is that it's such a common occurrence for McCain/Palin to side step the issues by simply attacking Obama with Slander that they're fanning the fires of hate at their rallies. As their poisonous public hate infects the vulgar elements who likely don't vote, and are only interested in pumping themselves up with adrenalin, we hear criminal threats of Murder 1 against Obama. You'll never hear that at an Obama rally because our people are righteously indignant at Neo Cons like McCain/Palin/Bush who have wiped their asses with our Laws presuming to be above Justice. THAT IS GENUINELY HATEFUL. But what will allways separate us from hatemongering Neo Cons is that we will use the Free Press & Criminal Courts to establish our point. And not the vermin you see at the McCain/Palin lynch mobs whose misconduct reflects from evil souls. - 3 years ago
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PressCore
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Joe0276
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PressCore, the only hate-monger I see is you. McCain and Palin were just telling the truth about Obama, the communist disguised as a socialist who associates with terrorists, slum lords and criminals. If the truth causes some people to be angry and shout at MCain and Palin's gathering, then it is Obama who is to be blamed. Don't blame the messenger if you do not like the message. Obama's supporters like you are much worse than the people at McCain and Palins rallies - at least these people are just reacting what MCain and Palin say - you are manufacturing lies about McCain and Palin. Shame on you!
- 3 years ago
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Joe0276
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PressCore
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And THIS is the kind of diseased scum who would
swear falsely before the Chief Justice to uphold the
Constitution whose preamble mandates to "promote the
Domestic Tranquility" ,huh? Adolph Hitler held EXACTLY
this type of lynch mob against the Jews in Germany in
the early 1930s. And precipitated a World War to end it.
McCain/Palin have all the makings of the worst kind of War Criminals this World doesn't want to see come to power. Which is why every Country in this World wants
Obama/Biden to win the Presidency in 2008. It is nothing less than Criminal what McCain/Palin are doing.By inciting people to blind hate,as though they had some kind of personal revenge motive,they are criminaly inciting to riot. McCain was only playing it safe by asking
his "haters" to calm down. Because he knew that if he did not, riots would erupt as these diseased haters got carriesd away with themselves like a Sunami, and McCain & Palin would be rightfuly Arrested for what is a major Felony crime in every State of the USA. You know,
I used to think that McCain/Palin were simply pus pimples
'on the ass of decent society. But more and more as they reveal the red & black of Adolph Hitler I can see
that it's what passes for their heads that are full of pus.
You folks are for the first time in American History are
witnessing the 1984 movement which Michael Moore
documented in this expose on G.W.Bush Jr. entitled
Fahrenheit 9/11/2000. That is you're witnessing the
birth of McCain/Palin's Terrorist movement in America.
The intimidation of legitimate dissent as seen at the RNC
was only the beginning. This is a Hate movement that
is nothing less than an abomination of all America has
stood for throughout the past 210 years. Don't be so
surprised when these 2 hatemongerers get Criminaly
Investigated after the Voters turn them thumbs down
on Nov.5th. Hate won't create new jobs & pay your bills. - 3 years ago
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BarackMarley
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If you can remember, Rick Warren asked McCain for 3 people he would confide in if he was president. One of them was John Lewis, so he is he dissing him now?
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Oni_Kagura
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I haven't seen enough to decide that McCain himself is pushing this filth, but his slow and indecisive attempts to rope it in have hurt him, without a doubt. On the other hand, I think Palin is certainly reveling in these attitudes, and has presented herself as one of those unsettling, close-minded conservatives that thinks we'll all be okay if we can just have our guns and believe in God.
McCain began his campaign as a respectable candidate, and had he stuck to his devices, he might have stood a chance in November. But his campaign has been one train wreck after another; except instead of clearing the tracks after a wreck, he's simply sending more trains in hopes of dislodging the last.
- 3 years ago
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Here's the play, as it's always been: John plays up the policy points - I mean really, what original shreds of insight can Palin even muster up - while Palin beats him up personally. They meant to play this angle from the get go, er, at least when Obama started blowing open his lead. The GOP is getting sloppy in their campaigning. They're throwing all the sh*t at the wall that they can and hoping something sticks. And in the spirit of do-everything-you-can politics, why not. The new play: show McCain doesn't take issue at Obama the person - a sign of weakness, a further sign of how McCain's gone from The Maverick to The Sidekick.
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damnneargenius
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Nothing more amusing that clueless pissed off sheep.
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damnneargenius
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attentive
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more power to OBAMANATION...AMERICA is a nation
of all kinds of races and we all have contributed to the GREATNESS of this country regardless of color.
we disagree but we have built this nation Together.
we have our differences but we also have Morals too.
we have learned so much from history about Wars, Hate
Crimes, Holocaust, Terrorism, Human Rights, Race, other Injustices but we still call this country great why because of FREEDOM. let us all regardless of these campaign rhetorics focus on ISSUES that helps
our country move forward than backwards. this is just my opinion... - 3 years ago
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Joe0276
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The blacks, which repesents 10% of this country, have held this country hostage by making every white person feel guilty and a racist if they vote against Obama. Yet they are blatantly racist as shown by the fact that almost every one of the 10% of the black population will vote for Obama. The whites in America better wise up on the games that the blacks are palying. Tell them that "Two can play the same game." If 100% of the Blacks vote for Obama, why shouldn't 100% of the whites vote for McCain? We will be generous and have only 90% of the Whites vote for McCain - that way, we shoow the Blacks that we are better off than the them. Please do not be afraid to say your peace. When an Obama supporter asks me why I will not vote for Obama, my answer is simple: "He is a Black." If 50% of the Blacks vote for McCain, I will consider voting for Obama.
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I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
-- Adlai Stevenson
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J_Jammer:
And that, America, is why you're all fucked.
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What is an American name ? there is no such thing Every Caucasian in this country is an immigrant and name is from European descent, Not American, and No matter who you parents were if you were born here you are American no matter what race or religion, no one is better than the other we are all different that is the point. We are all American with out diverse religions languages, religions and come together setting am example for the world of understanding and respect not tolerance.
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Lilduckydo
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Isn't that what politics is all about? Lest, we forget, sex, lies and videotape.
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texas2stepper
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For a minute I thought I was watching a klan rally........one rally even had a lone black idiot begging for that boy to be punished....."Take it to him!"
Take what to him? The long list of wrongdoings committed by McCain and his cronies? Perhaps, the 4,000 plus list of young soldiers killed in Iraq to protect their interest? Yes, take it to him......but only if you mean a victory in November.
I suggest someone take him (McCain) a copy of "Iraq for Sale."
And as for the planted black man, "When the first ax was brought into the forest, the trees looked at eachother and said,"look the Handle is one of us."
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jet_lodevico
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Some people just can't handle the truth. What do you mean when you say, ''dangerous''? Don't threaten us, asshole.
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cky283
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And no, I'm not a hateful person or anything. I just had to let it all out. It was my view and I am entitled to that.
I'm gonna vote this year for sure.
If only ron paul was still in
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cky283:
If you want to vote for Ron Paul, thats cool.
If you want to vote for anyone else, thats cool too.
But if you are going to make a decision that is based on things that are not true, thats not cool.
Everyone knows I am not for Obama. And I am definately not for McCain. And I can understand others feeling that way. And I can also understand people feeling like they have a candidate that they believe in. But being against someone because of lies, is just wrong. Be against his votes, be against his politics, but please stop repeating lies. He is an American. He does salute the flag. And he is no different than anybody else that hates their middle name. If you want some real reasons not to vote for him, I can give you some. - 3 years ago
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cky283
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Like McCain tells his voters ''Kll him!", they do that on their own. And of course he has to spend more on negative ads because the media doesnt gobble him up like they do with obama. Always making him look like some powerful being, when really he isnt even worthy of a true candidate to me.
Barak Huessein Obama...THATS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN NAME
His bloodline isnt from America, he was grown into two different lifestyles, but mainly staying to one heritage. He was raised on muslim values in america, why should he be our president? Why not the guy who actually enrolled in the military and knows more politically. Obama is just talk, thats ALL he is.
McCain had his limbs broken while he was a POW and yet he can still salute the flag, what about Obama? Nah, forget honoring the american flag, his values wont allow him, he'd rather attend his racist church...and thats what people want as our CEO.
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cky283:
His name is american as mine or my grandchildren..And he was BORN here same as me and I am assuming you ..Vote any way you like but please have your facts correct ..
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I kind of like all this hate spewing. We all know that it is there. We all experience it everyday. It is nice that they are doing nothing about it, because it allows it to be aired on television. Too many people deny that it exists, and that they are isolated examples. This is beginning to show that it is more than isolated examples. I just hope that they do not do anything, just talk...
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bamboodizzard:
Sadly, I agree with you on a certain level, it's better to know what's actually out there, get it out in the open so we all know what we're dealing with.
The problem is once the lid is off the box, we don't know what the hell might fly out or if we can stuff it back in if need be....
Hate has never been easily contained, if ever at all. It has to be overthrown.
Hopefully all this will not spill over into violence. But we do need to know it's there in order to get rid of it.
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kodada
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This is the part of America that elected Bush.
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NeoDotCom
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If america and the world lasts another 20 years
When we're sitting down with our children and for some grandchildren
How will we judge this moment in time? - 3 years ago
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scarletprincess
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tsk tsk. we can't have that
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rubykey
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Screams and yells hail from their crowds...
"Kill him!"
"Terrorist!"Yet no from the podium says a word to pacify the hatred, the evil that is spewed!
Wireless microphones are handed out to the angry mob, "tell us what you feel!"
They smile they welcome such disgust such loathing! They thrive on it!
Are these leaders of the free world? Are these intelligent and benevolent people that we want our children to follow and learn from? They act like political harlots, would be Christians that are no where
near what I as a Christian would acknowledge as Christian!"Kill him!"
Their eyes light up, their teeth grind and then sparkle!
Look up the word "fascist"- you will find their definition there!
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Change we don't have faith in!
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Neghie
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Human natures biggest problem is that it hasn't been taken over by aliens or robots yet. Then and only then will we all realize that we are actually one species, who simply vary only in shades. I can think of so many beautiful people who've originated from mixed relationships. It makes you wonder what people are so afraid of. The superiority complex of complexion perplexes me.
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Neghie:
It still baffles me also.
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dragon1984
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After all the campaigning is over, I wonder what's gonna happen to McCain and Palin.
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dragon1984:
I can probably give you an insight into what McSane and Falin will do come November 5th. She will return to chasing moose and wild salmon while he wil retire to soothe his aching soul and wounds in epsom salts.I was in the service too and I commend him for his service but he is now a disgrace for having served and thinking his military service was an excuse for sympathisers to elect him President.
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Come on People this is Media show biz. The news media feeds on polls and I am sure republicans wont get elected. They are out of straws, I cant wait till Obama gets elected. The Clinton days speak for the record. Dems are for the people, not self. Bush doctorin has no care about our chidren and generations to come. Thats why bush went to Irac because of his Daddy. Know our countries repition our grandpas stood for in wwII is gone and were broke. Thanks to the Bush Doctrin
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Oh it's not McCain's fault that many of his supporters happen to be racists.. McCain is a nice guy and a family man too. I wouldn't vote for him, but atleast he can educate his crowds that Obama is not a scary terrorist.
*waits for the angry Obama supporters to burn me at the stake*
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Regardless of how you feel about McCain, he feels that he deserves to win because he would be better. The campaign is the one pulling the strings in this, McCain has been embarassed to be using these tactics. McCain is spending 100 percent of his advertising as negative ??, while obama only has a third of his advertising as negative. Well, he is spending 3 times as much so the monetary values of each campaign spending of "negative" ads is equal.
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starr111:
If McCain can't keep control of his own campaign, what makes you think he can keep control of the country or Palin even?. It speaks volumes that the people he attracts to his speechs are bigotted, ultra right wing "christian" wackos that seem to revel in their ignorance and fury. Just change the word "Obama" to Jew and you have yourself a good ol' Nazi rally.
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I think that if they came out strongly against these dumb supporters, they would look much better when they lose
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are still in the 50's and early sixty's i remember when they started bussing the way mc pain and painlin they would have it no other way , they should get there hoods on, but i think everyone would know her aggonizing voice
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i thought there was going to be a linch mob out there i was asamed that politics have gotten to this
i am a pollister for barabck and I am caucasion most people i taked to were very nice and said they were going to vote for barack YEH. but i talked to to people that bothered me one said she wasn't voting for no ignorant N''''''''''r and ask if i was white and i said YES and she went after me and said all these ignorant things that i haven't heard since i saw mississippi burning. I was appauld. so much ignorance god bless us all
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It's always funny to see people put their ignorance on full display. Where were these self deemed Ultra Patriots when President Regan, President Bush (41), Donald Rumsfield, and Dick Cheney were allied with Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and all the other "Terrorists" providing them weapons, money and top secret logistical information? I have an idea, at home watching football, filling their stomach with Beer, genetically altered food and smoking Cigarettes (all proven to be dangerous to their uninformed health).
This is a shameful display of the educational system and television. There are entirely too many people that are under educated BY DESIGN that cannot use their GOD given intellect to at least look at an issue from all sides prior to coming to a conclusion. The simple fact Ayres is not in jail, not on any terror watch list should provide these Ultra Patriots some clue as to his past and current status here in America.
The real Terrorists and treasonous people they should be so ready to deal with are the people that have brought our country to one knee. Those being the unscrupulous bankers, corporations and legislators that have shipped jobs oversea's, bought / sold mortages like lotto tickets cost and our country dearly in lost lives, wages and prosperity.
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McCain and Palin are not on the same page here. Their campaign is not united. McCain is clearly not comfortable with this type of rhetoric. And rightly so. It's a shame he went and approved all those messages.
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Found_Avenue:
I think you've hit it on the head.
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Just when you thought politics couldn't get any lower...Palin should be disqualified as a candidate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/opinion/12rich.html?partner=permalink&expr...
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racist white people... how typical.
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Cialo
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Obama is the man of the hour. McSame and Falin need to step aside. We're not getting duped this time.
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Cialo:
you already have been! Bush told us we had to go to war, right away or else, and everybody believed it and our government voted for it.
Bush told us that we had to pass the bail out right away, or else, and our government believed it and voted for it, including BOTH McCain and Obama!
hmmmm duped again! - 3 years ago
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Just watched the last part of Meet the Press w/Tom Brokaw speaking about the debate, the fallout, and McCain's inadvertent flip-flop to all warm and fuzzy. It would seem that JM finally realized what he and the she-devil had done to this campaign. JM and SP spent weeks disgracing Obama, and in the end themselves.
After calling Obama "a liar", friend of terrorists, having poor judgement, etc, he then twice in one day referred to him as "a decent person". Which is it John? Now let's see what JM and SP have offered to America to induce total confidence and trust in them "at the helm" in DC. Until they change their rhetoric tomorrow.....ZERO!!!!!! - 3 years ago
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Woman: His Not
McCain: No Ma'am
Woman: No
McCain: No Ma'amHA! HA! HA!
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lpark
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I genuinely respect McCain because of his previous record, but Palin needs to be rounded in. I've heard what she's been saying at these rallies and although it may seem harmless, her words are igniting a dangerous issue among some Americans. McCain, sorry to say, is not going to be the next president of the USA. They seem to be grasping at straws and using whatever material they can to start up controversy against Obama.
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It seems like an act of final desperation.
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Too many Americans are like sheep. They will think what they are told to think without any rational as to why they think so. Fear is the fodder for this type of hate and prejudice and mob chaos. This is exactly how both McCain and Palin incite these "sheep". What is even more shaming and appalling is their lack of accountability as in essence their response people will do what people will do and think what they think. But we all know that the number of people who think for themselves is few and far between as to do so takes ownership and accountability. Truth the vast think as they are told because then, as with their leaders, do not have to take ownership nor be accountable for the outcome. McCain has been in office for 26yrs and yet blames today for today. Palin on the other hand proves my point as she takes no ownership for how she has governed and only believes in accountability when it serves her interest. Research McCains origins politically I think you will be suprised with whom his associates were in beginning his career in politics. Palin ... well what else is there to say.
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knowurfacts:
i have sheep there not as stupid as most Americans,At lease they stick together.
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I dislike McCain. I'll admit it. I think he is a liar and a criminal. He is also a terrible hypocrite. Anyway, I could go on all day but I have to say watching the clip above I give the guy credit for handling this in a classy manner and he deserves compliments for his behavior.
As for the behavior of the racist morons in the crowd. What do you expect from these people, really?
They are not smart. The likely have no reliable info on the issues. They probably genuinely believe that Obama is Muslim and that that should matter.
They probably believe there are WMDs in Iraq.
They probably believe Palin is qualified.
In short they are idiots and you can't expect much from idiots.
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iloveravi:
...or people who can't complement without criticizing.
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iloveravi:
....or people that don't know how to use a dictionary. @jj
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iloveravi:
Far Fetched.
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iloveravi:
I feel the same way about Johm McCain. I think we saw a glimpse of who he used to be when he spoke up on behlaf of Obama. I'm sure if he had ran his campain on a moral ground such as seen in that clip he would have a hell of a lot more votes.
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iloveravi:
jammer, odd choice to stand up for vocal racists and people inciting violence.
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iloveravi:
False equivalencies - a wonderfully succinct phrase that encompasses so much of what politics has become of late.
I wonder, given the events of the last 8 years, would it be more correct to call it a 'tactic' or a 'strategy'?
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iloveravi:
"Well, J_Jammer likes to create false equivalencies but hates to back up his attacks"
You just nailed him.
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iloveravi:
Look at the hate in these replies.
You can't even post your opinion without hating.
Y'all are no better.
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iloveravi:
J_Jammer,
Curiously, how is this a hateful attack:
"Well, J_Jammer likes to create false equivalencies but hates to back up his attacks."
I look at your posts and generally don't feel they are anything more than far stretched perceptions of someone who chooses to lean right without fully owning that slant. Harmless and often comical, but hardly ever backed up with anything solid, which is why I can understand why Brendan_M made this statement.
But here you have an opportunity to address the issue of your so called 'false equivalencies' and give readers a reason to take you a bit more seriously, and yet the best you can come up with is:
"Look at the hate in these replies.
You can't even post your opinion without hating.
Y'all are no better."
J_Jammer, unfortunately I don't see how someone calling you out and someone hating you are the same.
Frankly, I would love to see you be able to solidly back up your positions, it really makes for a better debate all around, don't you agree?
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kodada
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johnthom
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If Benito Mussolini were still alive, he would have some new friends in Sarah Palin and John McCain.
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ltruhan
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They are beyond inciting hatred. They are bringing the world to a time of deep prejudice, uncertainty, and fear. They are creating political aggression and unhealthy divide. Why don't the low information voters see the facts? Why do people vote for the two candidates who are capable of inciting riots and violence?
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ltruhan:
Why did they vote for Bush,Americans are so misinformed its scary.If McCain wins Im leaving this country,Mexico will be better.Im ready to wake from this nightmare,
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They scare me! This is a lethal ticket!!
The McCain campaign is embarrasingly unethical and dishonest. To think a man who at one time was ruined, hurt, and violated by the same tactics used on him. Rove and other campaign managers blasted McCains reputation and he has chosen to sell his soul. Although he has an opportunity to create education on smear campaigns, PTSD, benefits, and dishonesty, he chooses to sell out. Palin told America during the debates she will not follow directions at the debate but will gladly follow her own rules. How can we trust her to follow the rules in our Administration? How can we trust she will do the honorable thing for America when she defies rules and ethics? Between Palin and McCane, they are on a road to the depths of depression. Wake up America! Our allies hate us; we represent dishonor and a superficial philosophy.
Point out McCanes actual vote against the VETS. He could have educated people on PTSD and the high rate of suicide among them. Instead, he chooses to sell out and vote against them. He suffered; so why can't he turn that pain into something valuable by helping and educating others? He made his choice. How many people have been injured in war? Their children? Guilt from suicides? Children watching their parents change? He sold out.
McCane is inciting hatred, division, anger, and prejudice, remeniscent of the 60's. He is bringing us back to a time of racial divide and ignorant prejudice. He is bringing our country to a point so many of us fought to repair. He sold his soul and will leave many victims in his trail. He is clearly putting himself before country and integrity - 3 years ago
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ltruhan:
"Wake up America! Our allies hate us; we represent dishonor and a superficial philosophy."
Hate is a strong term, Itruhan - and speaking from an 'allied' perspective, I can say whatever of it exists is predominantly directed at your current government - but sadly the direction of the sentiment is true.
The worst part of it is there is now the perception of America being the world's 'fairweather friend'. In press conferences, our leaders have been routinely patronised by Bush's empty platitudes of "we will work with our allies..." etc.
But when push comes to shove, we've seen an administration that will put its own agenda above the concerns of its allies and the global community as a whole - at a time when we're only just beginning to realise how much we all need to stick together.
To add insult to injury, in US domestic politics, there's the wholesale political bragging about America's status as 'the light of democracy around the world'. No one denies that America is a great nation - no one can - but the morality of the government's actions has on countless occasions contradicted that of its rhetoric. Hypocricy of the highest order, and purest folly.
And that's pretty much how us 'allies' see the McCain/Palin ticket. While I can't claim to represent everyone, I've yet to meet, or even *hear of anyone* from my country who thinks McCain/Palin would be better for the US, or the world at large.
Unfortunately, there's a sizeable portion of US electorate who can't (or won't) take such a broad view of the situation. In worryingly real terms, their opinions now matter more than ours.
So much for egalitarianism.
- 3 years ago
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Its true, but its not all for the right reasons, some people disagree with with on a lot of points, because they believe that is not true, therefore they hate them..people who just hate them...critcize them in a lot of ways..the chain of hate will continue, until 2012..then, hopefully everyone will probably forget..or at least calm down..
- 3 years ago
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Articles on current that talk about McCain and Palin insight hatred......so not only should you be mad at them for what you think they're doing but mad at yourself for posting this as well as contributing to such hatred.
And the fact that people think Obama likers are better is funnier than SNL ever will be.
- 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
"Articles on current that talk about McCain and Palin insight hatred......so not only should you be mad at them for what you think they're doing but mad at yourself for posting this as well as contributing to such hatred."
So acknowledgement of hatred equates to contribution? You're really grasping at some thin straws.
"And the fact that people think Obama likers are better is funnier than SNL ever will be."
You apparently have completely run out of even mildly intresting things to say.
- 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
I hate to point out the somewhat obvious, J, but no one posting on current.com is a presidential candidate in the 2008 US election. That job comes with *somewhat* more responsibility than posting anonymously on an internet discussion forum.
The relevant issue - stepping back from all the petty partisan namecalling - is one of accountability.
You hold those you support accountable for what they say, and what they accept as permissible - failing to do so makes a farce of democratic freedom.
Its a responsibility that goes hand in hand with the right to vote - anywhere in the world.
To my mind, the contrast between the presidential and vice-presidential candidates in this respect is that one pair has tried its best to run a dignified, issue-based campaign - identifying the needs of their country's people whilst attempting to demonstrate their fitness to govern.
The other has only been consistent in its attempts to smear their opponents through vicious (and in the majority of cases, entirely unfounded) innuendo, short-sighted, self-satisfied cynicism and the preservation of what most hoped were archaic stereotypes.
To put it another way - if, hypothetically speaking, voting McCain/Palin gave them carte blanche to campaign against *anyone*, yourself included, in the way they have against Obama/Biden, could you really stand for it?
I for one couldn't - its cheap, it demeans all involved, and it solves nothing.
- 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
You salty...
I think most McCain/Palin supporters are pissed they can't find anything solid on Obama that could hurt him in this race.
I guess I would be pissy too if I was in that position. - 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
Acknowledging it and inciting hate for those that claim to be hateful is two different things...who's grasping at straws with that? You. There is not one positive outcome from stating that they are hateful other than...what? Oh more hate. Good job on solving that problem.
---You hold those you support accountable for what they say, and what they accept as permissible - failing to do so makes a farce of democratic freedom.----
Might as well state that you like Obama and quit BSing me with 'reason' when you just have the need to promote him.
He has not been any different than McCain. His attacking is acceptable to you because you think it's done in defense.
Any attacking is just as bad as attacking itself. You think that he's justified in what he says and therefore allow him to say lies and smears because you agree with him not because they are truthful or at all defense replies.
People who support Obama are horrible in their treatment of others as one can read by replies here. I would like to see someone who supports Obama at least show why they like him without stating why they dislike McCain...it's hard, you know why? Because Obama doesn't have substance so in order to give him such they have to slam McCain. Because if he could stand on his own then people should be able to announce the goodness of him without the badness of someone else justifying him as a reasonable person.
It's possible...but Obama supporters tend to be far too lazy for that. Vote for him because he's black...oh wait because he's for Change...my apologies.
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You don't believe anyone even when they do state something bad about Obama....you're just as blind as those that support McCain and ignore the bad.
Nice lie, though, that you'd care.
- 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
I never thought I would see it, but I am so afraid that J is actually right!
It's BOTH of them. They have BOTH broken their promise to not be negative. And you can say he is doing it in defense, but it is still exactly what he said he was too different to do. But people look right on passed all that if they agree with him. They dont even see it for what it really is. Obama supporters were saying Hillary was being negative while at the same time I was getting negative ads in the mail from Obama every day.
It all makes it so clear that for the people that really want change the only hope is Nader. He is not owned. - 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
Why haven't you met anyone who can tell you why they like Obama without discussing the negatives of McCain? Perhaps you live in a carefully controlled vacuum. Perhaps the folks you know can't articulate themselves very well. Whatever the case, let me say that I am an Obama supporter because I agree with the bulk of his proposals. I wish his stance on healthcare was a bit more "Universal" and that he supported gay marriage... but you can't have it all. At this moment, I have a job and a good healthcare plan. I count myself among the lucky ones. I am a woman, who will be entering a very competitive market when I'm done with Grad school. I want equal pay for my hard work and I believe that Obama has been working for me on this front. As for the issue of abortion, I don't know how I feel about it for myself, but I have never been in the tough situation of having to make a choice... and I would like to think that if I ever were, I wouldn't be mulling it over in some back alley.
Like I said, Obama is not perfect, his campaign is not without fault, but what I think we are talking about here is beyond the smear ads and half-truths that both parties are running. What we are talking about here, is fear, mistrust, intolerance, and outright hate; directed not just at an individual, but at all those who are different (black, brown, foreign, Muslim, non-christian etc.).
Maybe you are too young to recognize it, but in this country, when large crowds of white people call for beheading or killing of a black man "who is not like you and me"... feathers get ruffled. Whether the McCain/Palin campaign has control over what their supporters say is not the issue. How those comments are addressed is what I pay attention to.
I'd have to admit that I'm pretty freakin' liberal and it's probable that no Republican would get my vote. Having said that, I remember rooting for McCain in 2000, and when this political year rolled out, I remember being hopeful that he would make it through. When he got the nomination I was relieved and I figured things wouldn't be that bad if he won. I don't know what to think now.
Even though I'm a democrat, I don't cast my ballot for just anybody. Not everyone votes in a knee-jerk fashion and you are taking serious liberties in painting Obama supporters as lacking in integrity and reason. The same could be said of McCain voters, but I am sure (because I know some) that there are plenty of people who are voting McCain/Palin because they believe in McCain's proposals, because they think he will do a better job than his opponent, and not because they are frightened racists.
If you are one of those well reasoned supporters, you make an awful case of it. - 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
"There is not one positive outcome from stating that they are hateful other than...what? Oh more hate. Good job on solving that problem."
So, let me get this right, J - you're implying the solution to dealing with hateful, ignorant views is to... what... let them slide? Please clarify how you think views of this nature should be dealt with, and why your way is better.
Also, while there clearly will be people who will vote for Obama because of his race - insinuating that no one has any better reason to do so is really quite low.
I imagine its a move to stir more anti-J_Jammer sentiment so you can say "Gee, look how nasty Obama supporters are" - and somehow imply that death threats and hate speech at a political rally can be equated with partisan mudslinging on current.com. You clearly haven't experienced any form of racial hatred in your lifetime, or you might be able to make these 'finnicky' kind of distinctions.
What you said brought to my mind Rudy Giuliani's "only in America" quip at the Republican convention - except about 10 times less subtle. Veiled, implicit racism is still racism - even if you think no one will call you on it.
Moving to my next point, there are only two candidates in this election. If you clearly don't support one, and you plan to vote on election day, then you need to start backing the one you're going to vote for - rather than continually stating that those who disagree with you are 'blind'. For all your talk of Obama not standing 'on his own' as a presidential candidate, you're not exactly preaching the virtues of your guy. So, what gives?
It all comes back to this 'false equivalency' thing. I express a preference for Obama, a distaste for McCain. Suddenly, its like you've labelled me 'one of them' - I can't possibly be reasoned with like a human being - and therefore am unworthy of whatever incredibly cogent and relevant argument I'm sure you were going to present, in your own good time.
"BSing [you] with 'reason'" ? Ha! Pure Fox News in its logic, hypocracy and feigned indignance. I feel you've become patronizing to the point of offensiveness, with very little to warrant being so - isn't that precisely what you claim to hate about Obama supporters?
To wit, precisely what is so substantial about John McCain? Why is he the better man to lead the US in a time of catastrophic economic turmoil? Why is he a better representative of the American people in foreign affairs (remembering that there is, in fact, a whole world beyond Afghanistan and the Middle East - and also foreign people who aren't terrorists or their allies)? Also, can you point out the direction of his domestic policies out to me? Clearly??
At least the indignance of the Obama campaign is based on overt, explicit slander. The Bill Ayers thing is a crock of shit, the Muslim thing is a crock of shit. McCain and Palin are sat mixing the two together so they can make shitstorm pie. "Who is Barack Obama?"... "Who the hell is your VP!?" more like it...
What precisely has the Democratic campaign levelled at its opponent that is so patently false and deliberately fearmongering? If I've missed it, I'll wholeheartedly apologise. Otherwise, quit crying wolf and state your case.
Please - before I read any more 'eye-rolling' sarcasm from you, J - at least *try* and answer these questions. I'm genuinely interested in what your views on the *candidates* are.
And, as a favour, please try and finish a post with *point*, rather than an open-ended appeal to some 'truth' only you - in your infinite wisdom - are aware of.
- 3 years ago
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J_Jammer:
By your logic, we should have ignored discrimination against African Americans, World War 2, and retalliation against 9/11 due to the fact that it was inciting hate against those who were hateful. Or are those situations different from the descriptions of hate you were talking about?
Because nothing good comes from recognizing hateful behavior except for more hate? You don't give people enough credit. They aren't as short-sided or as absolutist as you are. If you fail to acknowledge when someone is being hateful, they will continue to be hateful. Sometimes we call them on it and they still are hateful, but without calling them on it they will assume it's acceptable. Occasionally, people will realize their hate on their own and change, but most of the time people will assume they are right until they are proven wrong.
You also go on to state that Obama is just as bad as McCain because he put out attack ads.
So if you get punched in the face, you would do nothing? Respectable.
How many times would you be punched in the face before you decide to defend yourself? Once? Twice? Until you were knocked out?
McCain willingly put out vicious and downright slanderous ads attacking Obama over and over again. Obama waited a while before even responded with one. He reached a breaking point with the amount of attack ads that misrepresented him. At least half of his ads are ones about his views and not attacking McCain, while the majority of McCain ads are attacks. Also, his ads are based on his voting habits and political policies and not loose associations and percieved inexperience.
There is a HUGE difference there. Obama never attempted to assasinate McCain's character. McCain has done nothing but that to Obama. However, you think they are the same, that Obama has no right to attack because he said he wouldn't despite the full-on assault by McCain's camp? He also said both candidates should run a fair and clean campaign. In comparison he's held true to that, but you obviously cannot say the same for McCain.
- 3 years ago
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This is just republicans doing what they do best -- inciting hatred of anyone different than they are and who doesn't agree with their ridiculous views.
The way that John McCain has carried himself in regard to inciting these people is a disgrace.
- 3 years ago
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eldamon
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McCain is starting to show some class but Palin is staying true to form.
- 3 years ago
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Trav, I also support you on pointing out this senseless bigotry!
- 3 years ago
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trueconservative
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flyingkick
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They definitely played off of people's hates, fears, and racism, but I don't think they intended for people to actually shout out overt hate in public, they expected people to hide it like civilized racists.
- 3 years ago
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Trav...I support you in this and all your efforts! Maybe Sarah Palin should quit listening to the Sean Hannity Show, and putting a mouth to his bigoted crap.
Not saying she doesn't believe it, just saying, when Sean Hannity drinks water can Palin still talk? In that regard, if Sean Hannity drinks water can Karl Rove still talk?
There's a vicious cycle for you!
- 3 years ago
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OH my gosh. This is so ridiculous. It's 2008 and people are still this ignorant? Republicans acting like children? Anyone who says those horrible things should not be able to vote and should be arrested. You revoke your right to vote when you do things that are inappropriate at conservative presidential rallies. Or at least that's what I think should be done. McCain needs to get his "people" under control. If he can't even control his supporters, How is he supposed to control our country?
- 3 years ago
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Is this what good christians(palin) do? Incite hatred and lie. Im confused.
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Gotta love the five minute hate.
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Palin is inciting most of this hatred, there are several recent speeches where she is constantly referring to Obama as a terrorists or "pal'n around with terrorists." we should be pointing our finger at her and what judgment she displays making accusations like that.
- 3 years ago
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NickLip:
five minutes of hate can get somone assenated
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NickLip:
Palin is just as evil and cunning as Cheney.We all know she has nothing to lose but she still does not need to impose her radical doctrine on Americans who want a decent life, she is plain despicable,pathetic and desperate.
- 3 years ago
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PHILADELPHIA (CNN) – Although many Philadelphia Flyers fans cheered and clapped as Sarah Palin took to the ice at the Wachovia Center on Saturday night to drop the ceremonial puck kicking off this town's NHL season, their warm reception was no match for the 90 seconds of sustained booing that rumbled through the arena, drowning out most of the cheers in support of the Republican vice presidential nominee.
As Palin stepped onto the ice before a capacity crowd to drop the puck, joined by her daughters Willow and Piper, the arena's jumbotron flashed a futile message to the thousands of notoriously harsh Philadelphia sports fans in attendance.
"Flyers fans, show Philadelphia's class and welcome America's #1 hockey mom, Sarah Palin," the massive electronic message board pleaded, to little effect. Booing quickly erupted when the smiling candidate emerged from a tunnel leading onto the ice, muffling the applause of any Palin supporters in the crowd.
Some in the audience simply gave her a thumbs down gesture. Others called her names.
Palin spent about a minute and a half on center ice, posing for pictures with Flyers captain Mike Richards and New York Rangers assistant captain Scotty Gomez, an Alaska native. The crowd commotion was sustained for her entire time in the rink.
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Picasso9000:
I agree with the "civilized" crowd acts of booing or clapping, even chanting illogically irritating songs and the like. However saying "hey there's Wayne Gretzky, let's kill him in the parking lot after the game, yeah, who's with me!" kindof demonstrates a lack of sportsmanship...
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It's his biggest base, the ignorant, hateful people who some have realized they have been wrong all along and just like the spoiled brats they are they want too embrace the idea that their continued hatred is the right thing too do. Wounded animals backed into a corner.
- 3 years ago
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Headline: Pot Calls Kettle Black
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SamWoodward:
I don't remember any Obama supporters calling for McCain's death.
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SamWoodward:
McCain will die in office is just like wishing him to.
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SamWoodward:
Discussing the chances of a 72 year old cancer survivors medical history is not the same as chanting "kill him".
I'm sorry Jammer, but the fact that I had to write that sentence is proof of how unhinged you have become. You are a great poster on this site. I rarely agree with you, but I almost always enjoy your posts. But your recent defense of this kind of BS has really diminished you. I hope you can pull it together.
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SamWoodward:
No it's the same.
JFK was terribly sick and people still elected him to office and did he die from anything he was sick from? No he did not.
No one has died of old age in office. McCain has had a hard life but he has the genes of his mother and she's 91 and still has the ability to walk and think and talk....and that's proof enough that he has a longer life ahead of him then most men do.
And the fact that people state he's going to die in office is to strike fear in people not to inform them. Every time someone states they are trying to inform someone with that they are lying. It's not about informing it's about getting someone to vote for Obama.
Lame.
So people compare Obama to JFK...is that because Obama has something he's hiding?
Plus Obama smoked...that's not too healthy of a thing to do.
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Watch the geriatric crowd eat it up and so much it makes even John McCain uncomfortable.
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Denica_test:
He better be uncomfortable. He has set something in motion with Palin as their attack dog. This is backfiring and he knows it.
Last throws of a failed campaign.
- 3 years ago
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Improper, derogatory comments at any rally, ESPECIALLY a Presidential one should be immediately condemned! We may have our differences and that is our right, but where’s the decency? Screaming “Kill him!” is 100% unacceptable and the McCain camp should put an end to that kind of behavior!
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austndiva:
I doubt they will truly come out and say anything against it. The irony of the matter, the crowds are supposed to be made up of conservative Christians.
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