Community | November 01, 2008 | 24 comments

High cost of medical care for illegal immigrants

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This is an old article, but I placed it here because it lists some of the costs to provide illegal immigrants with health care, which many U.S. citizens are denied because of age or status. Such as:

Not over age 65
Not under age 18
Not pregnant
Not from another country...

For 12 states, the government pays hospitals for providing emergency services to illegal aliens. In 2005, the state of California got $70 million to help with dismal shortfalls. California's San Diego County was about $100 million in the red and Los Angeles County about $140 million.

70 million for illegal immigrants to cover a shortfall. I am probably going to piss some people off, that is ok. Makes people talk, that is good. Even if they are yelling to some extent. So, why did I post this? As a person who lives in poverty, yes I do, as I bring home 1234.00 a month. I have no insurance. Yet I pay taxes and I am not covered. I don't want to pay more taxes either, I can't afford it, no matter how it is packaged. So....I'd like to know WHY I might have to pay TWICE to get something the second time around? I believe, my humble, humble, opinion, which I know is going to offend and for that I am truly sorry, that we should not provide people from another country, who are not here LEGALLY, any insurance benefits at all. Would the 100 million used in San Diego not help cover those who are citizens, who do not have coverage and already pay taxes (unless a child of course) without the need to raise taxes yet again? I know I would vote for it in a heart beat, but if you were to ask me to pay more taxes with the possibility, still again, of no coverage at all? Hell no. This particular issue is one that really, really gets my blood boiling...many want it, raise more taxes, yet I and many others ALREADY PAY AND DO NOT BENEFIT.

Posted mainly as an exercise in discussion...hope this is permitted.
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24 comments // High cost of medical care for illegal immigrants

  • pokesmot
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • pokesmot:

      Yes, Americans, who run a business and want to make a profit and keep as much as they can for themselves. Which hey, I aspire to myself, to keep as much of my money as I can. I don't pay them the lowest wages tho cuz I can get away with it cuz they are illegal and who in the hell are they going to run to and tell!??!?!?!? So, got them in my pocket don't I?

    • 3 years ago
  • QCBUCKI
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      QCBUCKI  
    • I have to agree with the original opinion that we can't afford to take care of illegals. That being said, the real problem starts long before that happens. The immigration thing is way out of control. There are 10M
      illegals in the US ten million!! WOW

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • pokesmot:

      People who want to pay even less than minimum wage if they can. I have wondered though...I live in farm country and some people who live in Texas come up here to help during the summer months. The lady told me they receive, when they come up here, $20,000 dollars for the four-five months they are here. More than I make all year, almost double. They then go home and work the rest of the year.

    • 3 years ago
  • Jeffnfun631
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • I don't believe that americans would not take those jobs if they could. I think, no offense pokesmot, that that particular refrain is one made up to justify what is done. Paying them lower wages is reprehensible. However, I have seen plenty of white people working in 7-11's and other jobs. I work my birthday and xmas now!!! I do not get a paid vacation like many other people in this country. (That do not I mean) Most of my working life I have worked in an office, until I moved to Wyoming. Not lots of jobs here, so I did what I could, that includes motel housekeeping and working in a factory, AND going back down to minimum wage, a rate I had not worked at since I was about 19. I'm 50 now and I received that rate up until about two years ago. It took me that long to get my foot in the door elsewhere. But hey, it's all good, cuz I did what I had to do, and I believe, that like me, many others would also.

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • bedeboop:

      Ick no days off. Last year, but this was very, very voluntary, I worked for four months with no day off cuz the person who worked when I was off quit. So we had to hire someone else, train her etc...I loved the money. Was very sad when they hired someone. Although I did get sick (I'm a heart patient) for about a week after the four months, was soooo tired. I would have kept doing it though. :) Would now too.

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
  • Jeffnfun631
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      Jeffnfun631  
    • Illegal immigrants come to this country get good jobs we pay for their shortcomings, They get assitance from the government. Me a US citizen cant get a decent job or when I start geting SS. I get screwed whats wrong with this picture

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
  • pokesmot
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      pokesmot  
    • Your right JohnA send 'em all back. Who's going to work at the dairy where you milk before daylight and feed and shovel manure the rest of the day before you have to milk in the evening. Don't forget we have to cut and bale and haul the hay outta the fields too.

    • 3 years ago
  • JohnA
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      JohnA  
    • What is it people don't understand about the word "illegal"? They take our jobs, and then we have to spend our tax dollars on their health care. I'm not seeing any benefit here.

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
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      pokesmot  
    • Image
    • Next Summer comes the 155mm Excalibur smart shell, which also uses GPS guidance. While the army likes the smart bombs, the smallest one available is 500 pounds, which is sometimes more than the troops on the ground want. This is because hurting civilians in adjacent buildings can cause problems later on, and the larger the bomb, the farther away friendly troops have to be until it goes off. The air force is developing a 250 pound JDAM (smart bomb), but it is not ready for service yet. Meanwhile, the GMLRS does the job, and you don't need a bomber overhead, or an air force ground controller nearby, to use it. The army likes that kind of convenience a lot. But this does not come cheap. The Excalibur shells will cost $50,000 each, but GMLRS is more cost effective, the GPS guidance package costing about as much as the JDAM guidance system the air force fits to dumb bombs to make them smart bombs. But the air force can deliver a 250 pound smart bomb at a total cost of under $30,000 (including the cost of operating the aircraft). Convenience always comes at a cost, and cost does matter in the long run.

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
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      pokesmot  
    • I am not trying to get personal, but do you live in an apartment complex? If not, do you mow your own yard? When you drive by one of the biggest companies in your area and they are having the grounds kept up (mowing) are there a bunch of white people doing it? Call the company let them lie to you, or call I.C.E., they are the illegal human being police. Then it is on you as much as me. No let's send "smart bombs" all over the world. $30,000 to $50,000

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • pokesmot:

      Welllll...I live in a house, in the summertime I pay the local neighborhood kids to mow my lawn, just like when I was a kid and got paid to do the same. Agree about the smart bombs.....could put the money to better use, way better.

    • 3 years ago
  • vixen0078
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      vixen0078  
    • .My husband works at a major trauma hospital in the Southeast. "Indigent" care has affected the hospital
      in a MAJOR way. Because the hospital is a state
      funded medical school, it cannot turn away anyone
      for treatment. In other words, if you, an immigrant with no insurance, an otherwise uninsured American
      citizen or someone from abroad with no traveler's insurance, show up at the ER you are treated. The hospital is obligated to do so. The other privately
      funded hospitals in the town are not obligated to
      treat you. The privatized hospital will send the person to the Trauma center via non-emergency transport (which is another cost to either the city, county or private EMS service) to the trauma center. Thus, the viscous cycle starts again for a whole other set of employees.

      There are a lot of immigrants who go to the hospital for regular health care because they cannot be seen anywhere else. Babies born at the hospital to illegally immigrated parents in the past two years has sky rocketed. If the immigrants and indigents do not pay their bill, who does?

      The community ends up taking on the costs. One thing is job loss. If I recall correctly, around 250 housekeeping, food service, nurses aides and similar positions were cut in 2006 and 2007. No new nurses were hired last year and Hubby lost a few of his fringe benefits like differentials on vacation time. The hospital has also gone with the most hideous health insurance carrier. I cannot be covered on my war related injuries because they are "pre-existing" conditions. Keep in mind that we DID NOT choose to change carriers. This was done by the hospital in order to cut costs.

      Quality of care has been impacted. The average nurse's patient load has gone from 4 patients to 6 and sometimes 7. This, in turn, cuts into quality of care. Everyone has stories of nightmare nurses.
      They are being worn thin by things like this.

      I hope I do not come off sounding like I am bitching about Hubby's position. I know that we are blessed beyond reason in days such as these and I count by blessing every day. My point in posting all this was to try and explain how the care costs have to come from somewhere and how it impacts us, the tax-paying adult. There are people in Savannah who are now on welfare, looking for jobs and barely making it because of this

      I have talked about this on Current before and I'm always happy to see it come up as a point of discussion. We, as a nation, have got to come up with a solution. Everyone deserves life sustaining health care I just wish there was a way to manage this issue without crapping all over healthcare employees who take care of us.

      Next time you see a nurse, thank him/her. Seriously. They are part of the glue that is trying hard to hold the ever crumbling healthcare system together

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
  • nessie00
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      nessie00  
    • When illegal immigrants have more rights than a citizen, you know something is very wrong. I am fed up with the lack of action being taken to stop this invasion.

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
  • pokesmot
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      pokesmot  
    • All of our families came from somewhere else, ya think those that landed at Ellis Island had permission? Or Columbus? Good thing the Indians didn't have razor wire, eh.

    • 3 years ago
  • bedeboop
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      bedeboop  
    • So...those who are voting this down, may I ask why??? Do you receive some of those very benefits? Would you lose them if something like this happened? Do you feel I should pay more taxes? Do you feel others should, like maybe the rich, in order to cover U.S. citizens? The rich all ready pay too, to cover many who are not citizens. Wouldn't their money be better spent in giving coverage to those who are citizens? Isn't a new possible tax for covering more people kinda like double dipping!??!?!??! I think so. C'mon....step up to the plate.

    • 3 years ago
  • pokesmot
  • RS57
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