Boycott Utah!!!

Hmmm...

The only problem with this thread is that almost 3/4 of AA voted against Prop 8 (they are a much larger contingency and rarely Mormon).

Why not go after them?

Is it because you will meet a much different foe that will have no problem going after you?

Shows what chickens this group really is...

The Mormon Church is again projecting their own shadow on innocent people. They can't claim that piece of themselves that acts this way with polygamy and so they project outward. Shame, shame. I hope the next generation of Mormon children have the strength to wake up like much of America did during the election. Come on kids were holding you in the light!

Boycott Utah, they deserve some of the blame.

But boycott the the Mormons, boycott the Xtians, boycott the Muslims. Religion is the problem. We must stamp out the ignorance, hate and fear that makes religion possible. We must speak truth to power.

Chheang, a sample of comments from some of the above posts. I see hate in them, if you do not, then your definition of the word is different than mine.

"church practiced their hate tactics" (not true, the church never said anything about hate, only about preserving the sanctity of marriage)

"The Nazis did not start immediately with a genocide against the Jews; they first stripped Jews of many of their civil rights in 1935 with the Nuremberg Laws. This is exactly what the Mormon church in Salt Lake City has done" (comparing Mormons to Nazis does not show hate?)

"Mormons want to have multiple (underaged) wives" (absolutely untrue, and aimed solely at discrediting the Mormon church)

"there's a reason they call Utah the "Zion Curtain" (comparing the Mormon church to the Iron Curtain?)

"Damn polygamist fools! " (Polygamy is untrue, the rest of the hate speaks for itself)

Those are just a few examples from this thread alone. There are MANY more similar and worse comments in other threads.

If you choose not to visit Utah as a protest against the Mormon views, that is certainly your prerogative. And it is my prerogative in this country to vote according to my views and my conscience. I don't see why I deserve to be hated because of it (and, yes, I think I've adequately proved that there is sufficient hate expressed here). I can guarantee you that even though I am one of those hated Mormons, I have NEVER spoken about gays or any other group the way I have been spoken of here.

Definition of bigotry: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
Again, I think it's quite clear where the real bigotry lies. If the Mormons don't agree that gays should be allowed to be married, that view is "stubbornly and completely intolerated" since it differs from the opinions of the gay community and the other people who think they should be allowed to be married.

And again, the Mormons and other voters didn't take any rights away from gays other than the right that was briefly granted to them by judges who overturned the vote that had previously been made on this issue. Gays in California still have the same rights they've had for years under the domestic partnership laws.

As if bloggers and gay-rights activists would really visit Utah anyway...

Mormon's directly related to this topic get an "F" in tolerance and equal rights. Damn polygamist fools!

Wait... the boycott of the LDS is not because there's hatred of Mormons at all. At least for me. I have no hard feelings towards anyone regardless of race, religion, etc.

However, I do not support the LDS church due to their support for prop 8. In not agreeing with them, I am taking active measures to ensure my money does not fund their views.

I don't know where readers see hate. I certainly do not hate them. I am just choosing not to fund their views. Again, it comes down to money. Read the comments above where I talk about how money, Utah, and the mormon church all connect.

Again, no hatred, just stopping the funding of views I do not agree with. BTW, I heard In 'N out is Mormon owned? Correct? If so, that's off my list of random fast foods.

Churches are allowed to voice their opinions on political issues without endangering their tax exempt status.

While you're boycotting the Mormon church (by boycotting Utah, rightly or wrongly) and demonstrating against the Mormon church, why don't you also figure out a way to boycott and demonstrate against the Roman Catholic Church, Knights of Columbus, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, evangicals, and all of the other religions that supported Prop 8? Oh, and don't forget to add in the blacks and hispanics who voted in record numbers for Obama, without whose votes Prop 8 WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED!! Oh wait, it's only the Mormons who deserve such hatred, isn't it?

Definition of bigotry: stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

The Mormons stood up for what they believe is right, the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. They, and other Yes on 8ers, didn't take any rights away from gays other than the right that was briefly granted to them by judges who overturned the will of the people who previously voted on this issue. I haven't seen any Mormons espousing hatred of gays. I have sure seen many gays espousing hatred of Mormons. It's easy to see who the real bigots are.

Proposition 8,
total integration of biblical law into our lives

http://current.com/items/89513280_proposition_8_total_integration_of_biblical_la...

The reason one would boycott Utah is simple: money.

Most of us don't readily donate to the mormon church so they won't be missing any money we wouldn't be giving them anyhow. However, since 60+% of residents of Utah are Mormon and do support the church (10%+ / person/family), when their incomes drop due to slowing, and hopefully complete stop of business, they will in turn have less money to donate to the church... THUS in turn, the church will have less money to devote to causes like prop 8.

It all comes down to money. If there was any way of stripping churches of their tax exempt status when they pubically support props. legislation, etc, I'm all for it... don't get me wrong, Church's do good work, but they should stay out of my house when not asked to come in.

I'm all for boycotting the Mormon church because it helped get prop 8 passed, but boycotting the whole state of Utah. Really? Like mentioned so many times above the church isn't the state so if your going to boycott someone boycott the group that helped pass prop 8 (the Mormon church). Leave those who had absolutely nothing to do with prop 8 being passed alone.

more importantly, church of LDS should lose their tax-exempt status. I'm pretty sure supporting a political side (any side) should remove you from a neutrality stance tax-exempt and government organizations are suppose to take.

Anyhow, strip that church (in fact, all churches) of their tax exempt status and see how well they survive.

P.S. Utah was one of the candidates for my yearly ski trip. Thanks for volunteering yourself off my list of considerations.

Side note: my apologies for indirectly hurting the good folks of Utah who support equal rights to all - red, white, black, green, yellow, brown, purple...

Yes THEY took it away.

Let's not think about how NOT hard they didn't work to keep the marriages.

no...it can't be that. It has to be that THEY took it.

When in fact it's most likely someone didn't fight hard enough to tell people what they were actually picking. Because ignorance is probably what won the day....not because a Church payed a lot of money.

Always have to have a villain and if you don't have one, make one up..make people feel better...that way they can channel their hate. And when the fault lies in your own lap for lazy and lack of aggressiveness blaming someone else gets the stress level down and allows you to vent your frustrations for your own lacking on someone else and when it's a Church....it's easer to hate because then you can use the self-righteous tone to tell them they are being hypocritical and wrong.

Normally I see the reason to protest when it comes to wanting the rights to be given, but this one seems to be the failure of those that wanted to knock this down for not trying hard enough to tell people what they were voting for. They got millions as well to fight this and apparently didn't allocate correctly.

The failure of this is due to incompetence not a Church.

Freedom of speach, duh!

Dude there's a reason they call Utah the "Zion Curtain"...

..protesting against the LDS church and boycotting the tourism in Utah?? c'mon!!
honestly, the gay community is targeting the WRONG groups. this arguement is getting old. the LDS church DID NOT donate the money, it was it's *tax paying members* who gave of their own time, and their own money, of their own free will as citizens of California. Boycotting Utah?? when the bill was passed in California??

..coldworld? your comment is a bit cold. the LDS no longer practices polygamy, therefore your comment has no use or effect in this matter.

..rcs?? sorry, but the only hate i see are the hate messages on these blogs, in the protesting and boycotting of innocent people. calling the LDS church a hate church?? go to lds.org, if you find ONE item of hate toward ANY group, let me know. there is much more to understand then what the media portrays. proposition 8 was placed on the California ballot, where Californians of all religious background, creed, color and sexual orientation voted. not the LDS church, not the residents in Utah..civil rights were not stripped either. civil unions always had and will continue to have the same benefits as a married couple. and the only reason prop 8 MIGHT get overturned, is to stop the whinning and boo whooooooing we've been seeing since wednesday.

..keoni, thank you for speaking the truth!

..i'm down w/ protesting and boycotting..but find the right targets and leave the innocent out of it! there is no reason to bash the LDS church or boycott Utah..NO REASON AT ALL!!

As a person who lived in Utah and will return there soon, you cannot group us all together with the Mormons. I am not Mormon and support my Gay friends. Utah is growing more diverse every day and a boycott punishes those who are trying to expand and diversify the state.

First, tourism helps bring people from outside Utah into the state. It opens doors and shares cultures from around the world. Utah's natural beauty and killer skiing, snowboarding and mountain biking bring people to have fun, drink and let loose. These people are the positive influence in the state. Not the Mormons.

Second, the Mormon Church is centered in the state. The state is not the church. Guess what, Catholics, Conservative Christians and others faiths supported the Ban. Are you suggesting boycotting Vactican City, Jerusalem, and pretty much all the South? It is ludicrous to associate a place with a people. Yes, the Mormons are a large majority in the state but there are a lot of non-Mormons there as well (like me).

Last, Mormons have many many Gay and Lesbians among them. Their aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters are gay. The BEST thing to do is to open up the culture. If the Gay community wants to change the Mormons, MOVE to Utah. Grow the population and be open in the community. Once you have friends and family you love and care about who are also gay, you soften to the ideals they expound.

There is strong evidence that this is happening already. The Salt Lake Tribune noted that the non-Mormon population will outnumber the Mormons on the Wasatch Front by 2012. If you look at the voting in Salt Lake, Summit (Park City) and Grand (Moab) counties, you will note that most have a very Liberal lean. In fact, Obama lost by about 2000 votes in SL county.

Last, the Mormon church will continue to be a strong church as long as it keeps its membership contributing 10% of every paycheck. They will persist regardless of your boycott. However, the small businesses, bars, ski resorts, restaurants, clubs and other entities who are predominantly non-Mormon will suffer. You are punishing the wrong people.

I am just as disappointed by the result in California as the next person and I do support protesting at Mormon Temples and Churches. Tell the Missionaries in your community that they are no longer welcome. Tell your Mormon friends about how you dislike their church's intrusion in the lives of others. Make the Church hear your voice. Do not punish the good people of Utah for the Church's folly.

Damn right. Boycott Utah. It's funny how Mormons want to have multiple (underaged) wives, but were willing to spend 25 million in ads to support prop 8.

There have always been two ways to vote, with your ballot and by the way you spend your money. Boycotting things is a sound way to make your voice heard and have your vote counted.

The Mormons worked to defeat a new law and the Gay community worked just as hard to pass it. So what is the problem. This is how it works If the Gays don't like it fine.
Re-group and try again. Don't run around whining and try to punish the people that voted for what they believed. Believe me,it took a lot more votes that just the Mormon votes to defeat that Bill. Whining and Boo Whooing is just the sound of a poor loser.

Since when voting makes you a nazi.

Do we have 6 millions nazis in California ?

Hitler went after smaller groups like the mormons before he went after the bigger ones with more powers.

You do not have to go to Utah.

I don't usually believe in boycotts, but, in this case, the behaviour of the Mormon church was so reprehensible that I believe that it is perfectly justified to boycott the state of Utah. I certainly wouldn't visit there.
It is unfair to brand the whole state as a Hate State; it is not. There are many good, decent people in Utah. However, the Mormon church has shown its true colours, and it is a Hate Church.
There is a precedent in history for what has happened here. The Nazis did not start immediately with a genocide against the Jews; they first stripped Jews of many of their civil rights in 1935 with the Nuremberg Laws. This is exactly what the Mormon church in Salt Lake City has done with its massive funding to pass Proposition 8 in order to strip gays and lesbians of the civil right to marry. There is no difference.
American citizens have been stripped of a basic human right by a group promoting hatred. Passage of the Nuremberg Laws was the first step on the way to the Nazis' Final Solution to the Jewish problem. Decent people must make sure that Proposition 8 is overturned and that it does become the first step to the Mormons' Final Solution of the gay and lesbian problem.
So, yes, boycott Utah, and get out and demonstrate in front of Mormon churches and temples!

I always said that America will become divided between red, pink and blue states by homosexuality.

2 opposite definitions of marriage cannot coexist.

America will be destroyed from within like other empires have

Hell yes. I think it is more than ugly that the church practiced their hate tactics here in CA