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What Constitution?

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There is an open letter from the We The People Foundation to Mr. Barack Obama that will appear in the Chicago Tribune on December first. In bold type it asks ” ARE YOU A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES?” and “ARE YOU LEGALLY ELIGIBLE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT?”
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32 comments // What Constitution?

  • arcticspirit
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • arcticspirit:

      The bible too is considered sacred yet it also contains commands that are no longer relevant, because the context in which they were created has changed enormously. (ie: stone your wife if she disobeys you.) The same goes for that particular section of the constitution. It has become irrelevant.

    • 3 years ago
  • quixotic12
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      quixotic12  
    • Firstly, Obama has proved time and again that he was born an American citizen.
      Secondly, your laws are outdated and irrelevant. You realize that the context in which that law was created (the one that states to be POTUS you must be born in the US) was right after independence from Britain, and Americans were worried about a British citizen taking power and delivering the US back into British hands. I hardly think that is a risk any longer. Your law is irrelevant now that the USA is the number one world power. Plenty of high ranking members of government that might have made excellent presidents were not born in the USA and thus could not even try for the job.

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • Livejelly had an interesting question about G.Washington. She didn't think he was was born in the USA.
      Facts:
      George Washington was born in Westmoreland County, Virginia, on February 22, 1732 to Augustine Washington and his second wife, Mary Ball Washington. Washington grew up on his father's estate near Pope's Creek along the Potomac River.

      Thanks Livejelly for bringing to our attention that even our very first president was born in the USA.

    • 3 years ago
  • livejelly
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      livejelly  
    • arcticspirit:

      Dear Arcticspirit,
      I do concede to your factual date but say to you, you might take another look at history as well.
      There is a quote by George Santyana which states:
      those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. :
      As one of the jellies, I can say, I had a great education in california from elementary school & up & very greatful to my teachers & others who encouraged objective thinking, good research, look at all sides etc.I didn't spend my time in honors classes or 4+ hrs a day studyin in da libarary fer nuttin.

      And let me say:Martin Van Buren was actually the first natural-born citizen to become President. let me say again.MVB-He was the first president born as a United States citizen- (some do say its John Tyler)

      Now dear spirit please read some history to find out how that was possible.

      you are correct in your statement & I am correct in my statement as well.

      t@LJ
      ~let us take time to gather, inspired by those forefathers, who knew it was a time for change & was
      there more than one president at first? ;-)

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • What if the GOP or McCain did this?

      "Incredibly, the judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President."

      Be honest... how would you feel? Would your political radar go off? Mine would.,. America is what matters. When will people understand? Besides the people who want 3rd party candidates?

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • arcticspirit
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • If this were a GOP candidate, how would you feel?

      "You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President."

      Please, think GOP, and because "sides" don't matter, America matters, if you think about it. Step out of your bubble please. Be honest.

    • 3 years ago
  • livejelly
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      livejelly  
    • We the People Foundation have a right to question.
      and We the People (portion of us citizens in the USA at LJ)believe he is a natural born citizen & that he was born in Hawaii. George Washingtion was born elsewhere.

      i think people are asking about the birth cert because he was not showing it. If people are wondering this much, we think tanked a theory from looking at all facts. this is not a rumor or something we know for fact, this is a guess which should not effect anything because he is a good ethical person.
      many might think of it as a negative mark, but he probably didn't have anything to do with it, since what can a baby do? he does not have to show his birth certificate, he is a citizen: we formerly an online open intelligence agency currently going under Witterligencey thinks that it is because......(of what is represented by these dots & it is not our place to say)
      por que? porque & which does not effect anything about who he is & position. it does not even need to be addressed. but anyone perceptive can see what it is as we did in reading several articles of how he was raised & even it is in his bio indirectly & history & pictures & with gut feeling we were able to come up with the theory. so stop trying to bully him for the nation needs an honorable intelligent man as a leader!
      Hawaii was admitted into the union August 21, 1959 as the 50th state.(he was born Aug 4th, 1961--r u guys thinking he might have been born Aug 4th, 1959? that would be a technicality--thought of it now-yet that is not our theory) if so we can vote again, & will vote for him again.

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • livejelly:

      FYI on American History:

      George Washington was born in Westmoreland County, Virginia, on February 22, 1732 to Augustine Washington and his second wife, Mary Ball Washington. Washington grew up on his father's estate near Pope's Creek along the Potomac River.

    • 3 years ago
  • livejelly
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      livejelly  
    • livejelly:

      Dear Arcticspirit,
      I do concede to your factual date & info but say to you, you might take another look at history as well.

      There is a quote by George Santyana which states:
      those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. :
      As one of the jellies, I can say, I had a great education in california from elementary school & up & very greatful to my teachers & others who encouraged objective thinking, good research, look at all sides etc.I didn't spend my time in honors classes or 4+ hrs a day studyin in da libarary fer nuttin.

      And let me say:Martin Van Buren was actually the first natural-born citizen to become President. let me say again.MVB-He was the first president born as a United States citizen-. (some do say its John Tyler)

      Now dear spirit please read some history to find out how that was possible.

      you are correct in your statement & I am correct in my statement as well.

      t@LJ
      ~let us take time to gather, inspired by those forefathers, who knew it was a time for change &
      was there more than one president at first?
      ;-)
      (12/12ad For George Washington was not born in the United States of America-He was born in the British Colony of-Virginia as a British subject as were some other leaders)

    • 3 years ago
  • asherp
  • rxqueen420
  • arcticspirit
  • bansheewail
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      bansheewail  
    • Just because it's in black and white, doesn't mean it's true. Spreading propaganda like this makes us collectively more stupid as a country. It's time to unify.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • I too am an idealist, but allas it is too late. The power mongers have eternal control. The federal police outnumber the populace and therefore welcome to George Orwells world. The only esscape is an asteroid from heaven to slam into earth and set us all free.

    • 3 years ago
  • gewohnheit
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      gewohnheit  
    • We Americans struggle with the basics don't we. Pehaps we don't deserve our Democracy maybe Democracy needs to be earned. This generation is barelt able to keep it together. FOOLS all of us!!

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • (Then they basically request the following:)

      In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility,

      I am compelled to serve you with this First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this violation of the Constitution. With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008.

      In addition, I ask that you deliver the following documentary evidence to the National Press Club in Washington DC by 10 am on December 8, 2008,
      marked for my attention:
      • A certified copy of your original, signed “vault” birth certificate.
      • Certified copies of your reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
      • A certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship.
      • A certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity.
      • Certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School.
      • Certified copies of any legal documents changing your name.

      Each member of the Electoral College, who is committed to casting a vote on December 15, 2008, has a constitutional duty to make certain you are
      a natural-born citizen. As of today, there is no evidence in the public record (nor have you provided any) that defeats the claim that you are barred by law from assuming the Office of President because you fail the Constitution’s eligibility requirements.

      All state Electors are now on Notice that unless you provide documentary evidence before December 15, that conclusively establishes your eligibility,
      they cannot cast a vote for you without committing treason to the Constitution.

      (last paragraph is important.)

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • (This is what they are saying is wrong..)

      Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the natural born citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance:

      • You have posted on the Internet an unsigned, forged and thoroughly discredited, computer-generated birth form created in 2007, a form
      that lacks vital information found on any original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother.

      • Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii.

      • Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya.

      • Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya.

      • U.S. Law in effect in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age.

      • In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.

      You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President.

      Incredibly, the judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • DwinD
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      DwinD  
    • arcticspirit:

      Ain't it just a kick in the teeth that we the people have no right to the knowledge??

      There is an undertow of political power in this country that is determined to remove our rights and freedoms...one by one as we lay comfortably numb.

      Of course, I have long said, that the solution is for we the people to unite and rise and stand for our rights and eliminate these dictator like circumstances.

      It is my hope that Bush will be ultimately be heald accountable for his actions....but it will take a lot of people agreeing that this is not only wise, but imperative that he be made as an example of that which is true evil. Amazing how some are deluded that he is a Christian.....just because he says so.

    • 3 years ago
  • superfinet
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      superfinet  
    • I don't yet see the article on the Chica Trib webpages
      but I read the linked article for this Current reference. It is sad The Constitution of these States United is ignored more prevalently these days than in any era pervious - no one studies it anymore, they are numbed by the world around them too much to take stock in the world protecting their numbness. It's a sad state of affairs we are in, and will not get better without our assistance to make positive changes in the ways we live out our lives. There is nothing we can do to out right prevent the atrocities being committed by our Republics' appointed representatives aside from publicly calling them out (hopefully they will notice or care that we notice & care) and not voting them back to that seat, one at a time. We must study and defend this sacred document; there I said it SACRED!! The thoughts expressed on that document merit the responsibility endowed to each human to have rights protecting them under their rulers and these rights are not limited to the peoples in the US alone, they can be applied to any person at any time - that is how beautiful the Constitution is, applicable to any human at any time in any place, for ever & ever. But if we let it die, then it will be lost to history and we will never know how to make our government fear the people it rules; on the contrary, we will live in more fear of our gov't than we do at present, and THAT is not the world I want to raise a family in!

      Defend The Constitution with MY LIFE!! That is what I do, and I will DIE FIGHTING to ensure it doesn't!!

    • 3 years ago
  • idealist
  • Ihatethemall
  • critic
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      critic [removed]  
    • Image
    • Change & Hope, what a false bag of goods the American people bought.

      On the President-Elects website www.change.gov/learn , it states:

      “The change we need isn’t just about new programs and policies. It’s about a new politics - a politics that calls on our better angels instead of encouraging our worst instincts; one that reminds us of the obligations we have to ourselves and one another.” - Let me point out one thing here, I am an individual, I do not accept the collective mind set. “obligations we have to ourselves and one another.” - I am not obligated to anyone.

    • 3 years ago
  • Icedude
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