The US warned India before Mumbai terror attacks
source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/02/mumbai-terror-attacks-india1
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The Taj had guards but removed them. The insiders for the terrorists immediately phoned their comrades and it was on. Two days later. They were just watching for the green light - it's obvious.
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Nusrat
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In recent times terrorism has created a major impact on every countries all around the World..
What I do not understand is due to the enemity with certain countries or lack of taking proper guidence of the Government of a particular State, why individuals have to suffer by giving their own lives and surviving in fear of death?Is there no solution to abolish 'Terrorism' from the society?
- 3 years ago
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Nusrat
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pali_pride
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Nusrat:
Terrorism will always remain!
It's like saying is there a solution to stop Figting against Palestine and Isreal.
Waaaaay to many ppl who hate United States....
But war on Terror i belive will neaver stop :( - 3 years ago
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pali_pride
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pali_pride
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Yup... And just like how we know Iran got nucks! Your just gonna sit back an act like they won't do nothing untill we get hit!!!!!!
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pali_pride
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ryanroe
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Hmmmm, Maybe we did it then?
Didn't they say that they were very pros? Sounds like one of our contracted opps.
Terror war or boogeyman?
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ryanroe
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sail4life8
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Sounds like how the USA ignored warnings for 9/11
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sail4life8
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arcticspirit
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The warning did very much reduce the terrorist's goal of death's. We lost about 160 and they wanted something like 5,000?
I would say India did their best with what they had, but hope they bring back the anti-terrorist law that they had before. It made terrorists at least think twice, with so many on their boarders. - 3 years ago
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arcticspirit
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rekhaleaf
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Why not stop pointing fingers and just make some progress?
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rekhaleaf
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goingforawalk
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Of course America "knew" about it - that doesn't really mean anything, now does it? Remember 9/11, Katrina, the list goes on and on. . .
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goingforawalk
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cheller1820
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goingforawalk:
Huh? There is no way the Bush Administration could have known about Katrina, that hurricane just kind of snuck up on us with out any warning.
And even if we had some kind of warning, know how long it would have taken Bush to send a telegraph to warn those people?
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cheller1820
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pali_pride
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I don't get this crap! I mean America some how knows about alot!
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pali_pride
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idealist
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if bush admin knew, then why was security slacking? this should have been an oppertunity to catch them before they struck, why arent we counter strikeing on this "information"? is the u.s. is leading the war on terror or benifits?
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idealist
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damnneargenius
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Just like Chicken Little tried to warn everyone the sky was falling...but did anyone listen? No.
The obvious problem here is there are far too many things to be warned about to know which ones to believe and which ones not to.
As long as the world in such a retarded state that unwanted lives are brought into the world and then readily sacrificed in the name of harming others..how can you stop such stupidity except by severely limiting human breeding and accounting for every human life before it is even a lustful glance in the parents eyes.
God we have a long way to go.
Dear Islamic Terrorists,
Bad news. You aren't going to get 72 virgins in heaven, because that aspect of your religion is a beyond sane comprehension delusional lie.
Reality called...it said You're fired.
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damnneargenius
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justright
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Guessing that these types of attacks are going to happen is like shooting fish in a barrel. War, terrorism, and distention will continue until there is moral and financial equality amongst all people.
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justright
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Saladin
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Just because the attacks still went through doesn't mean the warning wasn't heeded.
Unless our intelligence people knew exactly where the attacks were going to take place, what good would a warning even do?
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Saladin
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J_Jammer [removed]
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They wanted to kill 5,000 and they killed 160 or so.....that's still a lot, but not as much as they wanted. Would that not mean the government did something right in thwarting them?
Who knows....public opinion is all that matters anyway. It matters not how hard someone works or tries.
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J_Jammer [removed]
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insanejain
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Honestly though I know how Corrupt Indian Politicians are. I wouldn't Be surprised if they like began to use this as a Political agenda to further expands their political power.
Not to say that we don't have that either in America.
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insanejain
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maasanova
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Of course we warned them, just like other intel officials tried to warn us about 9/11!
Real terrorism comes without warning.
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maasanova
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unimatrix0
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The Bush administration, for good reason, has zero credibility.
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unimatrix0
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Leonidis
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I wonder if a missile hit that hotel like the one that hit the PENTAGON ON 9-11
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Leonidis
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jogglef
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if only Bush had a briefing like "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the U.S." in August of 2001...
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jogglef
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Leonidis
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jogglef:
do some more research
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Leonidis
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jogglef
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jogglef:
I guess you're right, was going off the top of my head - it was "Bin Ladin [with an 'i'] Determined to *Strike* in US"
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jogglef
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diabolical44
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The FBI tried to warn the Bush Admin. about an attack through passenger jets pre 9/11 and they also completely ignored all the warnings.
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diabolical44
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huntre
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The world will listen much more intently to the US after the 20th of January, 2009.
Count on that. - 3 years ago
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huntre
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Joe_Leo
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didnt a lot of people warn the US of the 9/11 terrorist attacks?
And exactly how specific was the US's "warning"? I 'spose they did have something to do with it though, the Bush Administration was quite a fan of violence tbf.
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Joe_Leo
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charmedkitten
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idk, i just think if the government knew then they should have at least taken its people out of there. i sure as hell would have listened.
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charmedkitten
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BansheesMom
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Is the confidence in America so low around the world that our inteligence is in doubt, too?
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BansheesMom
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if this was fair warfare (as fair as warfare can be) then a warning would be extremely helpful. but against messed up assholes like terrorists, any generality is not a tool. Anyone can expect a terrorist attack, but they could just as easily have postponed it a day or two days. I can wish they had listened to the warnings, but would it really have helped anyway?
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div
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ya, we had information about 9/11 before it happened too, and weren't able to stop it. so i don't think this gives the US or any country any ground on which to attack the Indian anti-terrorist effort.
lack of prepared-ness is inevitable. that's what this kind of warfare feeds upon - 3 years ago
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KillerQueen6628
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Stunner1
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Terrorism is created by the media.
Before it reaches them it's just an act of rebellion.
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Stunner1
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pdthorn
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Stunner1:
Rebellion, a refusal of obedience, may therefore be seen as encompassing a range of behaviors from civil disobedience and mass nonviolent resistance, to violent and organized attempts to destroy an established authority such as the government.
Terrorism, the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion, common definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants.
Two VERY different words with two definitions. Please explain how you think that a rebellion is a rebellion until "the media" qualifies it as terrorism.
Specifically in this instance when albeit suspected Pakistani persons bombed civilian locations throughout a major city killing over 170 civilians, how could this be qualified as an act of rebellion and not terrorism?
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pdthorn
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phillyphil
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Stunner1:
i think what stunner1 meant was that it is the media which blows the situation up and places tags such as 'terror' on them. they often exaggerate everything they report on and all the while boost their ratings.
the Mubai attacks were atrocious either way...
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phillyphil
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pdthorn
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Stunner1:
I simply can't endorse the idea that all acts of terrorism are simply acts of rebellion that have been 'spun' by the media.
Foreign nationals attacking civilians in another country with the intent of causing harm and chaos in order to coerce their point is not an act of rebellion.
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pdthorn
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samthesixth
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Stunner1:
Think about it for a minute. If the media doesn't report it then people don't find out about it. As John Lennon said, "if you don't know, then there's no pain." The intent of terrorism is to instill fear as a motivator for behavioral change.
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samthesixth
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leb0wski
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Stunner1:
The media absolutely help to further the goals of the terrorists.
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leb0wski
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pdthorn
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Stunner1:
@sam that's a luxurious position you can take seeing as you aren't cleaning up the chaos created in Mumbai much less dead from the attacks.
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pdthorn
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islek
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Okay, we warned them. What else could we have done?
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islek
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pdthorn
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islek:
Legally nothing, and notionally speaking had US bodies intervened and the attack still would've gone off it would've been the US taking the blame regardless of how noble the intentions were.
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pdthorn
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leb0wski
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islek:
@pdthorn - very true
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leb0wski
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samthesixth
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Terrorism is a tool. Can we defeat tools? No. But we can make it extremely painful for those who choose to pick up this tool.
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samthesixth
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pdthorn
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samthesixth:
Combating extremism with extremism would just perpetuate a cycle of eye for an eye don't you think?
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pdthorn
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jrchel
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samthesixth:
if by unpleasant you mean serious jailtime as a deterrent, by all means [;
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jrchel
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samthesixth
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samthesixth:
pdthom,
Yes, combating extremism with extremism would just perpetuate a cycle of eye for an eye.
I am not advocating combating extremism with extremism. I was just pointing out that the tactic itself can't be defeated. IF terrorism is to become unpopular as a tool, it has to be done by changing the minds of those who would choose it.
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samthesixth
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justright
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samthesixth:
Yes, by making the tool unnecessary.
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justright
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DreSandoval
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maybe we warned them because we had something to do with it???IDK ,but then you will just dismiss the idea as a conspiracy theroy...
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DreSandoval
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pdthorn
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DreSandoval:
Besides your immediate knee jerk assumption provide some sort of evidence as to why you think that.
Any good theory, conspiracy related or not needs evidence, if it's just your assumption then it won't float in the first place.
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pdthorn
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DreSandoval:
Actually i really havent done any research on the attack or do i claim to know any facts...It was just a cynical remark...After reading" Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", by John Perkins, it really changed the way i look at things...The US government has alot of blood on its hands more than any people would like to admit...
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DreSandoval
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pdthorn
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DreSandoval:
It would be difficult to find a country that doesn't have blood on it's hands.
Regardless your cynical remark would only provoke the assumptions and foregone conclusions that could become a state of fear that the US was in fact involved, just because the US is guilty of prior sins does not make them implicitly involved in every other accident.
Remember, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Even if it's a cynical statement you presented it on the site as if it were your opinion.
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pdthorn
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DreSandoval:
i agree with DreSandoval, of course we had something to do with it. the U.S governments always doing shit.
they just send someone else to do instead so that their hands are clean of it. they might not have pulled the trigger, but they supplied the bullets
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charmedkitten
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pdthorn
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DreSandoval:
Kitten, provide evidence.
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pdthorn
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Abamanation
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DreSandoval:
It was only a matter of time that some dipshit would propose the claim that the US had something to do with it.
What I dont understand is, ... If the US is such an evil, hate filled country by your estimation then why the fuck do you still live here?
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Abamanation
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CicatrizJCP
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DreSandoval:
Plausible deniability. A very convenient way of removing the blame. It makes evidence very hard to come by, but the responsibility of the actions are still linked to someone along the chain of command.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the opinions on this thread. I'm merely stating why evidence to "extraordinary claims" are typically either non-existent or from witnesses that are immediately discredited by the government, organization or agency in question. It doesn't mean that we should choose to be blind to the possibilities that we don't want to believe.
I love my country, but I don't pretend that it is innocent of all faults. We should at least allow these types of questions to be put forward to remind us that it has happened in the past and is still a possibility.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson
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CicatrizJCP
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bansheewail
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By nature, Terror as a tactic is very unpredictable. That's why it's so effective. That's also why it is impossibe to defeat. A war on terror is like a war on jealousy or a war on greed. Terror is a tactic not a place or a people. It doesn't wear a uniform. The only way to reduce terror is to educate people. Tolerance and diversity are subjects that are sorely missed in classrooms around the world.
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bansheewail
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jomahu
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bansheewail:
banshee said it all. education and access to opportunity are the true anti-terrorist tactics.
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jomahu
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zealotohio
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bansheewail:
If we were educated enough we wouldn't be afraid of this 'nameless' face-lessness.
"Tolerance and diversity are subjects that are sorely missed in classrooms around the world." I agree with this if we can add in 'revolution'.
Terrorism is just another ism to control the people. Just like communism, catholicism, etc.
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zealotohio
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