Vatican trashes first UN declaration of LGBT human rights

Tell us, what exactly do you know of him, his teachings and more that upsets you so? Besides of this one article and that he looks really funny?

Please elaborate. As he is the most progressive Pope of the times. He is freaking amazing, even if he does look like he works for the underground!

Obviously you don't know the details. Maybe you should research that.

I was laughing too and I happen to respect the guy, he's actually pretty cool.

I suppose because they're NOT men of the cloth....or whatever the proper term may be.

You are aware that LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of priests committed the acts that you are talking about. And young children were usually not involved.

Meanwhile millions of priests that did their jobs with vows of poverty, and did works for God, for the sake of helping others.

Because of people like you they are now not accepting homosexual priests, because the public may fear they will molest children. Is that typical of homosexual men? I hardly think so.

All priests involved in any kind of improper sexual activity were excommunicated from the church. And now there are programs in place to insure that that doesn't re-occur.

I think if it hadn't taken so long for the issue to be addressed, there would be more trust. I don't attend a church, so it wouldn't matter if I trusted them or not either way. I do feel remorse to the fact that the actions did hurt so many and that it made them question their faith, but it's what happened. Things like that aren't easily forgotten; not by the people who suffered the atrocities and spoke out, nor to those that experienced the same and remained silent. Even people that never experienced those same things find they do not trust the same as they used to. It's not just because of "people like this or people like that", it's because it was ignored and there is no trust that it would be addressed properly if it were to happen again; regardless of programs in place.

Agreed. I just read in "Society Without God" that Athiests (as a collective) are #4 in global numbers relative to "believers". Christians came in at 2 billion. Muslims at 1.2 billion. Hindus at 900 million. Athiests/agnostics at 750 million.

There's probably more of us out there than we know. And many of us are starting to wake up and see this nonsense for what it is.

LOL yeah ppl pick very bad pictures of the Pope for some reason. Maybe he's just unfortunate looking.

The fact that I'm white is not the "SUM TOTALITY OF MY HUMANITY," but it definitely has affected who I am as a person today, simply because of the specific society I grew up in.
People are "much, much more" than the color of skin they were born with.

Your logic jumps around here. Takes what it likes and leaves the rest. Presumes much.

For example, you presume that homosexuality is something that "can be changed" / "is not inborn," when you obviously are just as ultimately clueless as the rest of us as to what "causes" it - more so, because I assume you have no experience whatsoever with being gay.

right, and we as individuals are also more than our racial, religious, gender, age, and whatever else identity. how does this prove your point? how does being more than an identity justify the denial of rights to humans?

one's gender specifies masculinity and femininity socially and culturally, not biologically.

i may be able to tell what someone's color is, but i can't necessarily tell what nationality they are. does that mean that's fair game for discrimination?

your comparisons don't hold water. try again.

"We are born male and female that's gender, there is no third gender."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Woopsies, guess again.

Not really sure where you re going with this. What does gender have to do with anything? And more importantly, why should gay people have to hide who they are to pass as "normal." Come on. Grow some tolerance.

I can get behind most of what you said. Taking it a step further - we need to acknowledge the differences between: sex, gender, and sexuality. Sex being male, female, intersexed (biological), gender being feminine, masculine, androgynous, and sexuality being gay, lesbian, bisexual, asexual, straight (physical attraction). What makes the queer community so hard to understand is its ambiguity -- the fact that sex, gender, and sexuality do not always match up in a specific way.

That's because most countries in the world are still socially conservative. That's not the case with Canada, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, and Norway.

Soleil, those countries are usually, if not always, against homosexuality for religious reasons.

Marriage is a sacrament. That is their only beef. Sacraments are extremely important. They cannot be changed. They are covenants between people and God. Marriage is a sacrament between one man one woman and God, and not even a civil divorce will dissolve it in the Church. Yeah it's complicated.

Other than that, I think they are cool with you guys.

Oh and they don't want overtly gay priests now, due to the PUBLIC fear of child (16-17yr old) molestation by gay men, as that was usually the case in the abuse charges.

I think that is a shame. And that people that bash the catholic church for gay priests having affairs with younger boys 20-30 years ago should get educated of the details and drop it.

The priests involved were less that 1 percent of millions of priests world wide and they are not priests anymore.

Judging by that statement id say that you are a straight man correct? Do you remember the day you chose to be straight? I dont think you do. That is because being gay isnt a choice. Simple as that.

Seriously, if being gay is a choice, then so would being straight, and if your excuse for being straight is because "it's right" then you should question your own sexuality. I'm not gay, but I have gay friends, and it's obvious it isn't a choice.

It looks like you missed out on one of today's featured articles. Here's the headline:

"Homosexuality "not a choice", say researchers"

What a douchebag.

Kaecvtionr, why does it mean so much to you that I am a lesbian or that my friends are gay? What harm or discomfort does it give you, how does it directly effect your life (I am curious)?
I know that I love my partner very much, more than I ever imagined I could love anything; all I want is to be there for her, to wake up next to her and hear her silly stories, to live a life with the same basic rights and freedoms heterosexuals have. For goodness sake, I just want to make breakfast and read the paper with her!!!!
I am not attacking, I am just wondering; I feel if you go to extra lengths to condemn me, you should at least explain yourself.

Have a good day
-Ahimsa17

Funny!! I'm imagining in a movie the big man upstairs, or lady -my bad ladies-would be played by the south park ultra camp character.

Cant remember his name for the life of me.

mr.slave or big gay al

LOL - I love it! What I'd love even more is to see a televised debate between the Pope and, say, Rachel Maddow :D

Agreed. If God can do no "wrong," why would he even have gay people? God is really just used as a fearing tool to suppress the very ones he loves.

And yes, this is an atheist speaking.

If there is a god and this god is indeed moral, I highly doubt the Vatican represents well. In 1962 Pope John 23rd directed silence to all Catholic Bishops regarding the known priest sex offenders. I'm sure Jesus would have down the same (sarcasm implied).

Why we give any organized religion any credence in this age of enlightenment baffles me.

"Religion is regarded by the Common People as true. By the Wise as False. And by Rulers as Useful" - Seneca the Yonger 65 BCE