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U.S. auto industry will probably disappear

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STOCKHOLM, Sweden — Nobel economics prize winner Paul Krugman said Sunday that the beleaguered U.S. auto industry will likely disappear.

"It will do so because of the geographical forces that me and my colleagues have discussed," the Princeton University professor and New York Times columnist told reporters in Stockholm. "It is no longer sustained by the current economy."

Krugman won the 10 million kronor (US$1.4 million) Nobel Memorial Prize in economics for his work on international trade patterns. Some of his research on economic geography seeks to explain why production resources are concentrated in certain locations.

Speaking to reporters three days ahead of the Nobel Prize ceremony, Krugman said plans by U.S. lawmakers to bail out the Big Three automakers were a short-term solution, resulting from a "lack of willingness to accept the failure of a large industry in the midst of an economic crisis."

Facing massive job losses, the White House and congressional Democrats are negotiating a deal to provide about $15 billion in loans to prevent the weakened U.S. auto industry from collapsing.

Update: Paul Krugman states he was misreported

"Urk. I gather that there’s a report on the wires quoting me as saying that the US auto industry would disappear. What I actually said was that the concentration of the industry around Detroit would disappear.

And did I really say “me and my colleagues”? I guess it’s possible — but that doesn’t sound like I speaking."
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40 comments // U.S. auto industry will probably disappear

  • fedroger
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      fedroger  
    • Why American auto industry will fail: Wealth doesn't last past three generations. The current generation are a bunch of veil calfs

    • 3 years ago
  • GreenhouseNeutralFoundation
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  
    • Who spiked his coffee. They will disappear to make space ships but that won't be for a few centuries yet. Some people just like to make noise.

    • 3 years ago
  • ctrl_alt_del
  • bornproof
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      bornproof  
    • I love this country. My ignorance is motivated by the fact that my daughter will inherit whatever mess "WE" have currently allowed to happen with our complacency and getting high and sexcapades and fucked up attitudes.

    • 3 years ago
  • frimer
  • scotious
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      scotious  
    • They should merge and pool their resources. Look at Boeing and McDonnel Douglas. They merged and now they're taking on Airbus. And, if they file chapter 11 bankruptcy, a judge has the power to fire the execs! I'm all for that!

    • 3 years ago
  • adveritas
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      adveritas  
    • "lack of willingness to accept the failure of a large industry in the midst of an economic crisis."

      Perfectly put, but the employees need to be kept employed and the industries that rely on the auto industry need maintained. I can't even imagine how horrible of a collapse this would be if these companies die. Obama seems to have the, albeit distressing, right idea of spending more money to maintain this sector.

      I think what these companies need to do is work overtime to change their product to fit the needs of the present and possible recycle their resources.

      It is quite odd that with so money people in power begging for money can't actually come up with a good plan... I guess these guys never had to struggle to pay for college.

    • 3 years ago
  • cybexg
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      cybexg  
    • Time for a reality check.

      The big three’s problems with foreign competition have virtually NOTHING to do with the unions. Other than a few exceptions, unionized labor actually constitutes a very small part of the total cost of a US manufactured car (Multinational part streams, large subassemblies, mechanized assembly, etc.).

      The greatest problem has been with the consistent lack of re-investment back into the corporations. Another problem is that the leadership is seemingly unable to understand the simplest of business concepts. As an example, time and time again the US industry has continued to invest in failing adventures because of their initial investment (fails the understanding that sunk costs are sunk – don’t throw good money after bad).

      IMPO (in my professional opinion), the US automakers are not viable not because of costs but because of poor management. The unions are only a convenient scapegoat for the lack luster management.

    • 3 years ago
  • losina
  • unimatrix0
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • Agreed.
      The "big three", as we know them, may be on their way out but, auto manufacturing in the US will continue. We have too many innovators and resources for it all to come to an end. Out of the ashes will rise new and better driving products.

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
  • diabolical44
  • justright
  • queenofit
  • jaysun42
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      jaysun42  
    • The "Three" are too arrogant and refused to build smarter cars. lenhart, I think the "free market" has done exactly what it is supposed to do, and left behind the inadequate competition. A shame, yes, but it is also the American way. They need a serious wake up call.

      Who says we need all three of them anyway? Let one go under and allow the market to decided if we still need the other two. They can't expect a continual tax payer subsidiary.

    • 3 years ago
  • FaintLee
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      FaintLee  
    • This is actually a huge miss quote. Krugman said, and i paraphrase, the American auto industry centered around Detroit would disappear. Please research before you post stuff!

    • 3 years ago
  • Stunner1
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • Fuck em'. I went to college with the sons and daughters of these arrogant bastards. Their kids were even worse. They acted as if they owned heaven.

      Give em' all a taste of the real life.

    • 3 years ago
  • islek
  • Ando_SB
  • jh64487
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      jh64487  
    • they won't disappear, they will change.

      we're all making a big hullabaloo (there's actually a proper way to spell that word) about this but the reality is america will continue to produce automobiles.

      it's just going to be crazy for a few years! get out while you can!

    • 3 years ago
  • shayno18
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      shayno18  
    • I haven't bought a new car in my entire life. I say let the greedy bastards crash and burn. Let's see what someone else has to offer for a more eco friendly way of travel.

    • 3 years ago
  • intelligenceisacurse
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      intelligenceisacurse  
    • let the big 3 fail.
      no bailout can cure stupid.

      let other smaller companies start up that have a clue
      how to run a business and not depend soley on 100
      year old technology.

      the big 3 did everything they could to fight any advancement
      in the industry, and now they must pay for their
      decision.
      there must be accountability for them.

    • 3 years ago
  • outtheinside
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      outtheinside  
    • i'm not with krugman on this. he admits the importance of the auto industry, not the big three, but says they will die out. i don't think anyone on this board knows of the disaster looming if the auto industry is completely taken away from the U.S. sure, we don't need the Big 3, but we certainly need a Big 1.

      his research is on spatial economics. he wrote a while back that having all of these auto industries around the world is unsustainable. having three in the US is unsustainable. my stance is that we need one. give them half the money on the condition of a tri-company merger. if they aren't profitable in 5 years then scratch em.

    • 3 years ago
  • Commentor
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      Commentor  
    • outtheinside:

      The fact is the its not only the Big 3 that will be out of business its all the smaller suppliers that provide parts to them.

      It also seems one should look at the bigger problem HEALTH CARE costs when any company pays more for health care than the raw materials they use to make the product there is a problem.

    • 3 years ago
  • Social_Fuzz
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      Social_Fuzz  
    • What happened to the Billions in profits they made since the fifties?

      They were to slow to innovate and now are paying. New industry will take its place. R.I.P you greedy oil guzzling sons of bitches.

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • I think that they need to do something about the lead around their necks... the workers that are paid for doing nothing due to their awesome union.

      Possibly they should go bankrupt just to break that tie and rehire the people that are actually working for them under their same pay, sell their stock and save themselves.

      That would probably work.

    • 3 years ago
  • krush_productions
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      krush_productions  
    • I'm with 1percent on this. FUCK 'EM. If we keep helping these companies out they're going to keep fucking up. A lot of money is being thrown around that could go somewhere else! Do we need new cars every year?

      Ride A Bike, it's better for you and the planet.
      For all you who think Cycling just isn't practical, I'm about to ride to work, several miles away, and it's snowing...

    • 3 years ago
  • 1percent
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      1percent  
    • Fuck 'em Let them Fail!.

      I have never owned an auto, and I shouldn't have to ever finance their poor business decisions either.

      Level Detroit and create a new national park. Let nature take it back.

      Ride A Bike!

      Pareo Nullus

    • 3 years ago
  • 02
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      02  
    • "Free markets" are avenues for treasonous middlemen to channel trillions of USA wealth overseas so that they make a few tens of millions.
      Now the only things you can buy are Chinese knock-offs.
      How long before you wake up? -huh?
      Supply-side is really a huge vacuum at the top, whisking it all away - while you work harder and harder and harder.
      Think about it.

    • 3 years ago
  • superfinet
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      superfinet  
    • the technology for our cars sucks anyway, it has for a while. I will be glad when the pollution machines are off the market....reevaluate the entire concept of how it works instead of merely 'improving' a flawed system over and over and over again... the industry in the states,, spewing forth these filth machines, must fall for a revolution to be seeded

    • 3 years ago
  • hans57
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      hans57  
    • Lets not jump to conclusions. They haven't even been helped yet.

      Only after they receive the cash and then they fail, can we offically call them a failure.

      I can't wait for that day!

      I love when a quarter of the working population is out of a job.

    • 3 years ago
  • Elevator
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      Elevator  
    • hans57:

      But Chrysler has already been bailed out before. If they are really as close to the edge as they claim then a handout is not going to stop them from going bust. Giving them money only prolongs the inevitable and perpetuates failed policies. Furthermore it promotes inefficiency and carelessness, in other words the companies will be worse off then if they when into chapter 11 and restructured. No arbitrary rules the politicians set will ever be as good as the actions of peoples directly dependent on the success of the companies. Yes these managers have failed but bankruptcy is the natural market response to that failure; the bad will be swept away and the good will take over.

    • 3 years ago
  • vladrath
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      vladrath  
    • hans57:

      Well, they obvisouly don't care about their workers jobs. Or actually running a good business. If they cared about either, its possible that they would be making the fuel efficent cars that the american people want to buy.

    • 3 years ago
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  • nessie00
  • lenhart
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      lenhart  
    • Krugman is right again.

      For all the right wing BS about 'free markets', the US auto industry has proven it cannot compete ---even with LOTS OF HELP!

    • 3 years ago
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