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What is Your Definition of Religion?

Maggiekortchmar
We all have our own ideals and beliefs. It seems like a new age is dawning that rejects dogmatic thinking and encourages us to think for ourselves.
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  • Nancyf
  • gutekuja
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      gutekuja  
    • Interesting conversation... as a professional historian of religions, this discussion is one I'm always engaged in. Realistically, with a category as necessarily opaque as 'religion', the definitions folks' give more often reveal to us something about the commentator, rather than about 'religion' itself. And so, accordingly, most of peoples' responses to the question of 'how do you define religion?' fall into one of two broad approaches: (1) to deny the authenticity of all religious modes of being by reducing them to social, economic, or political elements (i.e. Marx's definition of religion as "opiate of the masses", etc) or (2) by affirming all 'religions' in some sort of universalist declaration of a common humanity. Now both approaches are fine, and the views we come to hold are INTENSELY shaped by the locale, culture, and family we each grew up in, and/or are growing up in!

      Yet both approaches also leave untouched one of the fundamental issues that arise when we try to define the 'religious': the totality of religious phenomenona IS NOT included when we try to make sense of all 'religions' or religious phenomena! This is to say that when most folks (at least in my experience teaching at Miami University and the University of Maine) speak of religions, they are primarily thinking about dimensions of Christianity. Hence for many folks, religion = Christianity, simply because that is the tradition in which they were raised and/or it is the religion which most dominates popular American culture. For others, aware of other "world" religious traditions such as Buddhism or Judaism, such a narrow definition of religion must be expanded to encompass non-Christians myths, rituals and communities. One simple way to bypass this problem is to reject the singular form 'religion', insisting instead upon a pluralistic understanding, 'religions.' Yet not all will be satisfied with such a gesture. Hence it is critical to point out that the 'world religions' model or understanding of religion, which the above video takes as its point of departure, is itself a product of 19th-century European and American historians, theologians, and social scientists. Such an understanding of 'religion' has long since become part of the discourse that Americans, Europeans, and all those who wish to participate in the world as revealed in the stories "Westerners" tell about themselves. At this point, in 2008, there are few places or people in the world that do not participate to some extent in this story; i.e. all those folks colonized by Europeans (North Africans, Indians, indigenous Australians, et al.) were forcibly brought into a world created anew through European colonization and imperialism.

      Fundamentalisms, to which the video alludes, must thus be understood in reference to the umbrella of European colonialism(s) --- as rejections of the "new world" insofar as the 'new world' created through European colonialism locates Europe and "the West" as the economic and political center of the world, while relegating all 'other' peoples to the periphery, in ALL ways.. geographically, politically, economically, religiously, and perhaps most so, humanly...

      (for my full response, go to my public blog at: myspace.com/jason_gutekunst)

    • 3 years ago
  • Tayllerand
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      Tayllerand  
    • I believe in God but I dont believe in religions, religions are pure mind control, the roman empire used religion to unite their empire and the religion that was really popular in those days was christianity.
      The most powerfull people in the world is the vatican.
      The roman empire destroyed all other books that were not approved by the council of Nicea when they were putting together the bible.
      I will recomend to anyone who wants to understand where all the stories of the bible come from? to read the book call (The lost book of Enki) by Zecharias Sitchim.

    • 3 years ago
  • purplefox
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • SDLN
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      SDLN  
    • The detriment of religion is easy to argue. The benefit of religion is just as easy to argue. But, as with the Jeffersonian Bible, a lot had to be stripped away from religion to see it's benefits. There is some good there, but you have to root it out while deflecting all the dogmatic nonsense. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not. Not everyone needs it.

    • 3 years ago
  • pjacobs51
  • pinkerbelle
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      pinkerbelle  
    • this lady wants people to use religious doctrines to make sure that nations treat each other in good manner or to prevent wars/conflicts.... HELLO!??!!!!?!?!?!?!? Muslims vs Jews, Jews vs Catholics, Catholics vs Muslims...religious wars have been going on since religion existed! The Crusades was a massive one...but looking at today, there are still many examples. The conquering of Indo China or America was also for the religious gain of the Christian Church...they wanted to spread their beliefs and they did this by forcing people to believe them.

    • 3 years ago
  • deeblackangel
  • pjacobs51
  • Saladin
  • pjacobs51
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • pjacobs51:

      I'll take that as a no.

      Zeitgeist is the myth behind the religion of conspiracy theorists.

      It makes equal sense, which is none.

      It plays off of the gullibility, self-centeredness, simplicity and laziness of the human mind to assert truths without any real evidence nor does it allow anyone to argue against it.

      It's the same.

      I hope that conclusion makes you think for yourself.

      FYI, watching a documentary is NOT thinking for yourself.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • pjacobs51:

      Saladin, my last comment to you. Watching a documentary is NOT thinking for yourself? How absurd. It's easily as informative as many other tools of education, like BOOKS. So, you're saying to learn is not thinking for yourself?, why are you even on this site or why read a book when you already have all the answers? I would then refrain from calling yourself a "student". Good luck to you.

    • 3 years ago
  • pinkerbelle
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      pinkerbelle  
    • i think religion is fake
      thinking for ourselves and learning from our own experiences becomes more meaningful than a clergy man/religion scaring the crap out of you to do the "right thing."

    • 3 years ago
  • nessie00
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      nessie00  
    • I find this to be a delve into personal opinions. Frankly, it is none of their business. Believe as you want and live with that.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
  • BillionJawingNeurons
  • nessie00
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      nessie00  
    • 85% of Americans are religious. My religion is personal and I won't force it on anyone. Religion to me is obeying the 10 commandments, asking for the forgiveness of our sins, and belielf in Jesus Christ. So simple, so wonderful.

    • 3 years ago
  • Wrabon
  • uroborus8
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • uroborus8:

      Then life can only be lived your way? Isn't that as exclusive as religion is? Listen, I am playing devil's advocate here, but I do believe in finding a global solution to the horrors of religion and its persecution. Yet, I don't think the way to do it is to deny the right for it to exist., however false WE may think it is. Right? It's a battle that cannot be won. Like terrorism, it can only be contained.

    • 3 years ago
  • kaecvtionr
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • kaecvtionr:

      Uh, the big bang can be proven and in fact, is proven. That is unless you have a more plausible explanation for cosmic background radiation. If a scientific theory is not falsifiable, then it can't be a theory.

      The big bang is not proven in the sense that we know for certain that it happened exactly as we think it did, but it is supported by evidence which can't in any way qualify with a supernatural creator who, by definition, cannot be explained.

      It was not a "fact" that the earth was flat it was commonly held belief of which dissent was not allowed because it was considered heresy.

      A fact is something that is irrefutably true and that burden of proof can only really be substantiated to really small pieces of evidence. And those are quite hard to come by, very few things can't be refuted.

      I agree with your definition about religion, but you made some rather egregious errors in your post.

    • 3 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • I believe in the universal spirit and karma. I will live as many lives as there are leaves on a tree. I practice kindness wherever I can and stand against injustice whenever I can. I have no tolerance evil and will fight it were I can in many ways. I have learned through my life thus far karma can be instant and sometimes it takes a while. We are all in this universe together and
      some souls are new and need guidance, I try to understand my fellow man and woman as best as I can
      but my heart aches with the evil things we do to each other.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • We are all pretty pathetic? Speak for yourself. One does not have to trounce religion to prove they are of sound, scientific mind. I do not practice any religion, nor do I believe in "The god". But I believe in the right of others to "choose", as I hope they uphold my right to choose.. And should they try to deny me, I don't put the blame on religion, I blame ignorance.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
  • Dmitri_Molotov
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      Dmitri_Molotov  
    • Religion is a ternary agent, meaning there are three parts:
      Myth
      Dogma
      Faith

      Each of these are fairly harmless apart, but combine them and you get something that can be used to justify holy wars, fool people into giving them their money, and generally be used as a motivation against things outside the societal norm. Religion is like the Jedi Mind Trick, it only works on the weak mind. And it's no match for a good blaster.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Meh, pretty trite video.

      Don't get me wrong, the golden rule is great and all, but the world does not, has not and will not ever work that way. The world is a series of exploitations which we all, agreeably or disagreeably, work in throughout our lives. Compassion is an admirable trait, especially when it's selfless, but it only means something relative to a need. Plenty of compassionate people are ostracized.

      Bottom line, human beings hate each other and for good reason. We're all fairly pathetic. People find tolerance to be an uplifting message. I don't know why, it's just a basic requirement to live in a society.

      Tolerance isn't love, it's disgruntled pacifism. It's dealing with that prick of a co-worker because at the end of the day you're both taking home a paycheck.

      But I'm studying history, so I'm a bit cynical. =p

      What's my definition of religion? A belief system, typically deistic but not necessarily so, that asserts certain principles, rules and explanations of the world to be truthful without evidentiary support or doubt of their claims and must therefore be solely reliant on the emotional willingness of its followers.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • Saladin:

      We are all pretty pathetic? Speak for yourself. One does not have to trounce religion to prove they are of sound, scientific mind. I do not practice any religion, nor do I believe in "The god". But I believe in the right of others to "choose", as I hope they uphold my right to choose.. And should they try to deny me, I don't put the blame on religion, I blame ignorance.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      Non-sequitur much?

      The first part of my post has nothing to do with the second part. I said nothing of religion and science nor did I say that there was anything wrong with being religious.

      If you have an axe to grind with anti-theists be my guest, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't knee-jerk reply to a post you haven't even read correctly.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      What point was that? That someone has the right to choose what they believe?

      Geez, I stomped all over that in my post, I can see why you'd need to say that.

      The only seeming point you made in your reply was against me calling humans pathetic, which was more of a complaint than a point.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • Saladin:

      It seems like you're more interested in "stomping" than trying to find a solution. Let me ask you this- You can't kill all the jews, christians, etc. What is the alternative? Is the alternative to reach out to them like we should any adversary?, My point is simple. To argue about god or no god, you're god or my god, is fruitless. You're a history major I take it, so you know this to be true. If not acceptance coupled with your own beliefs or non beliefs, then what?

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Saladin:

      You do realize that I'm not advocating anti-theism right?

      I think religions are stupid and dangerous but also essential and benevolent.

      The only thing I said in my post was that your video was trite. I'm saying that what the video asserts as a solution won't work, not that I don't agree with it.

      If people were able to overcome their basic drive to kill one another, they would have ceased doing it a long time ago. They can't, so they won't.

      The only real answer I can think of is forced tolerance. Economic interdependency. If we have to rely on each other then we'll deal with each other. Even then, it won't stop.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • Saladin:

      It doesn't matter what you do or do not advocate. It's alright with me. My point. You see, with the advent of the internet and the shrinking of our world, we have a larger voice, we can speak with citizens in India, Palestine, Israel, Ireland right this minute. Through this we can bare our souls and opinions and very well come to the conclusion how similar we all really are and begin to re-build our "world". It's worth a try, isn't it?

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • This piece neither advocates or denies religion. That's the point. Compassion is the common thread that holds humanity together. Not religion. But to deny one's right to their religion encourages as much violence and retribution as the militant religion itself. Look past it, or through it, to ones "self".

    • 3 years ago
  • AutifK
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      AutifK  
    • Maggiekortchmar:

      I agree that we cannot deny people their right to practice religion, but I would like to try my best to persuade them to practice better alternatives of living (according to me anyway).

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
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      Maggiekortchmar  
    • Maggiekortchmar:

      I wish I could persuade them myself, but WE CANT. We can't force our beliefs on them anymore than we want it forced on us. Again, this is the point. Religion and war go hand and hand, and what is at the core of that battle? "My God is better than yours". Are you ready to draw your sword for "You're god is a myth"?. Now THAT would be bloody., We can't destroy religion, we can only try to guide it down an enlightened path. Perhaps the path leads to peace and understanding. Not tolerance, understanding.

    • 3 years ago
  • Katanajon
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • My understanding is that religion is to explain what we cannot currently explain without it. When we will be able to explain something new that was previously within the bounds of religion, then that religious belief will be replaced by scientific fact. Until that happens, the religion will prevail as an explanation. Now I don't think that this is particularly a bad thing with the exceptions in which religion is proven wrong and people who hold those beliefs would rather hold onto them angrily, and potentially violently, rather than adapt.

    • 3 years ago
  • AutifK
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      Religion used to explain our origin, the way the universe worked, and the natural world around us. At the immediate moment religion can little more than an explanation of what happens to us when we die and a catalyst that started the universe.

    • 3 years ago
  • nobamagirl
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      nobamagirl  
    • Religion was invented to control the masses. The masses refuse to be controlled, by government or the powers that be. Fight corruption with corruption. Movin on up.

    • 3 years ago
  • AutifK
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      AutifK  
    • I am all for human compassion, but religion opposes rationality. Insofar as it does, it is an obstacle for the progression of human intellect, and potentially morality/ethics. Yea, religion may have some instances of doing good deeds, but one does not need religion to do good deeds. Simply consideration for one's fellow inhabitants should suffice.

    • 3 years ago
  • ChrisWT
  • errarrgh
  • metalcookiesxy70
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      metalcookiesxy70  
    • A reason for people to not to die, not to lose hope and faith in one another, to have an explanation of how things can happen, when you think its the impossible...the negative side of religion is the killings of so many just because of religion...most of this religion does happen to deny human rights and the expressions of one's self to be not apart of religion or just plainly expressing themselves.....for the mind of humans themselves to develop a religion that is a tool that puts this country and many others under a strap of what we call the Bible belt....mind control..religion..{dancing crap of the world}

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • Religion is an antiquated and faulty explanatory device.

      Religion is the opium of the people.

      God is a concept by which we measure our pain.

      Religion is a crutch for the feeble minded and the existentially crippled.

    • 3 years ago
  • Yoshi1
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      Yoshi1  
    • Wonderful. As humans we should look beyond what religion, nationality, race, etc the person belongs to and look at the human behind everything.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • KI4CLZ
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