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Teacher sacked over telling children that Santa doesn't exist

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A supply teacher who told pupils Santa Claus did not exist has been sacked.

Year Three children at Blackshaw Lane Primary School in Oldham, Greater Manchester, were left devastated by the news.

One parent said: "My son came home and said that his substitute teacher had told the class that Santa doesn't exist and it's your mum and dad that put out presents for them.

"Apparently, they were all talking about Christmas and being a bit rowdy. She just came straight out with it.

"He was nearly in tears - and so close to Christmas. I thought it was wrong.

"He was distraught about it. He's only seven years old and it's part of the magic of Christmas to him."

A spokeswoman for Oldham Council said headteacher Angela McCormick is preparing a letter of apology to parents.

She said the headteacher has complained to the agency which supplied the teacher and added that the teacher no longer works for the school.
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88 comments // Teacher sacked over telling children that Santa doesn't exist

  • Joyfulrebellion
  • JonnyQwest
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      JonnyQwest  
    • Being inanest is one thing and being Naive is another take me for example I am 26 and still very naive but should that mean I ought to be lied to... NO! OMG you people are so ignorant!

    • 3 years ago
  • whathefk
  • dankitti
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      dankitti  
    • What about that guy whose Grandma Gt Run Over By A Reindeer? You can say there's no such thing as Santa, but as for him and Grandma they believe!

    • 3 years ago
  • MaRibElfalcon76
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      MaRibElfalcon76  
    • Fired? That's a little extreme. At most she should write an apology to the parents and be advised to not discuss personal beliefs amongst students.

      But, seriously.. not losing her job over it. Where the parents more upset that their kids weren't going to believe in Santa or that they don't have as much influence as a stranger?

      They could have tried to convince their kids otherwise.

      I swear... it's all that PTA roohaha shit.

    • 3 years ago
  • Leonidis
  • lyflovr
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      lyflovr  
    • I was the bad girl who told the truth to my fellow students, too. My childhood ended when I realized that lies run this world, not honesty. If those parents don't want their kids exposed to such radical truths, they should homeschool, I did, .

    • 3 years ago
  • des10
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      des10  
    • While I don't think it's quite a tactful way to spoil the news, I think parents placing such an importance on a jolly fat guy that leaves you presents, rather than teaching them about the real Saint Nicholas is absurd.

      I don't mean any disrespect to you parents who choose to tell your kids about the magical obese man who breaks into your house and leaves you stuff.. but I think there are lots of more damage that comes from it.

      First, when parents lie for years and years about Santa, it sets up the kids for discovering that they've been lied to by their parents for years. Who wants their kids to begin doubting everything else they've told them?

      There's also a strange socio-economic element that there are poor kids who question why the richer kids at school get more stuff from santa than they do. I wonder how this might contribute to perpetuating feelings of inadequacy and injustice towards the poor. How would it make sense that Santa would give more abundantly to the kids who already have more? Granted they are just kids, but I think it''s worth thinking about.

      Lastly, stop using Santa to control the behavior of your kids. How about teaching them right and wrong all throughout the year instead of just the months coming up to December? If I were a kid in that situation, I would act crazy as shit during January.. I mean... it's going to be another 11 months before the ol fat guy comes around again.

      ah enough of my ramblings.. this just hits a very sore spot with me. sorry.

    • 3 years ago
  • etemple2
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      etemple2  
    • HE DOESNT EXIST? Well thats my life utterly ruined!

      I'm 17 going on 18 and even though I have known for a long time that he doesnt exist, it just doesnt feel christmassy if you don't allow yourself that little bit of childish naivety and pretend that if you don't put out a mince pie and a brussel sprout at Xmas eve, the dude won't come down your chimney. It just ruins the whole thing. I unfortunately did get told by "friends" at 9 that Santa didnt exist and out of spite for finding out I told my 7 year old sister (she forgave me- eventually), and I don't think I have been any happier since then. I loved thinking he was real and it upsets me that someone like a substitute teacher told those 7 year olds just out of spite too. Kids- don't listen to her- HE EXISTS!

    • 3 years ago
  • JCantrell
  • des10
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      des10  
    • JCantrell:

      or she just thinks it's absurd that millions of parents lie to their kids for years and then set them up to discover the lie... setting them up for doubt and confusion to what other things thay have been lied to.

    • 3 years ago
  • SDLN
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      SDLN  
    • I wish the article told what grade she was teaching. I suspected the falsehood of the tale from the 2nd grade on. I heard rumors from older kids, I tried to stake out the hallway (but I fell asleep), etc.

      Really, the story is quite ludicrous. It seemed pretty absurd to me even when I was trying to pretend I believed it for the sake of the family... for years.

      I understand the tragedy of ruining a small child's innocence. But maybe there's such a thing as being TOO innocent... naive even.

    • 3 years ago
  • hoboninja54
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      hoboninja54  
    • I don't have kids, so maybe there is some undetected purpose in christmas but not one I can see. I stopped believing when I found some presents ahead of time, but I played along cause I liked getting stuff. The rest of my life I felt like it was some secret I had to keep, so as not to upset the cultural commitment of it (I didn't understand it like that at the time). The picked for tv comment was right. In a time like this, with so many unemployed already and a major drop in the countries economic stability, we are going to fire someone for telling children that stuff doesn't just come from nothing.

    • 3 years ago
  • JonnyQwest
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      JonnyQwest  
    • As a teacher she should tell the truth! Sacked & said not to teach any longer for teaching the truth what the HELL!

      Well not totally surprised teachers are to teach that we came from apes too Hmmm I see I see! Tell only lies and get paid I get it now... What a perverse generation we have OMG!

      JonnyQwest

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • If you think about it, it's a messed up tradition.... you basically lie to your kids for years about someone invading your home and actually LEAVING GIFTS.

      When the kids find out they were lied to for years, there's such disappointment. And later when they find out if strangers breaking into your house don't LEAVE GIFTS, they usually take THEM! SO Harsh!

      But we are all pressured to do it anyway. Damn society.

    • 3 years ago
  • pinkerbelle
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      pinkerbelle  
    • this is a stupid reason to fire a teacher! All she did was ruin Christmas and told them that Santa doesn't exist...it's not like she lied to them. These kids were bound to find out that Santa didn't exist anyway

    • 3 years ago
  • RudyRudell
  • balderdashandpiffle
  • AswegoAsdego
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      AswegoAsdego  
    • What is funny is all the people freaking out are not even paying attention to the story:

      It says the students were being rowdy so the teacher shut them down by saying their is no Santa.

      The teacher resorted to what she/he knew would make the students upset. And that is fucking pathetic.

      This teacher obviously has not children skills or patience.

    • 3 years ago
  • exene
    • 0
      exene  
    • What the hell is wrong with everyone? I think it's cruel to lie to children.

      Kid: Where do babies come from?
      Me: Vaginas.

    • 3 years ago
  • willyb
    • 0
      willyb  
    • So teachers that tell the truth to children have to worry about their jobs? What is the education system coming to????

    • 3 years ago
  • alicia715
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      alicia715  
    • I think that because she did this to be cruel, she deserves to be fired. People that work with children have to be more patient, understanding, and MATURE than the kids!

    • 3 years ago
  • PoisonTheMonkey
  • mookster_07
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      mookster_07  
    • Firing may have been a bit extreme... but why force children to grow up a little more than they have to just a little bit sooner than they have to?

    • 3 years ago
  • TheDodge
  • Cuddlebones
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      Cuddlebones  
    • What a bitch. Those kids were only 7 years old. Once you found out the secret of Santa clause, nothing is ever like it used to be. I'm really fiery right now because i just took my little sister to see Santa.

    • 3 years ago
  • knightlynight200
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      knightlynight200  
    • why lie to your children in the first place, you might as well tell them the truth, it is better to know at an early age, than go most of the childhood celebrating their holidays in a lie

    • 3 years ago
  • piratemcdaddy
  • tanyetta
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      tanyetta  
    • I told my cousin today after ten years old Santa doesn't stop by to give you any presents. You can believe all you want, but when you become a teenager and still believe in Santa, you will not get any girls.

    • 3 years ago
  • kewal91
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      kewal91  
    • U MAKE ME MAD teacher.. santa is real.. there is no seperation of church and state issue here... (and usually i scream that on every issue) .. nobody celebrates christmas for its christian beliefs..its all about presents.. wonderful presents.. and awesome food.. and no work.. and people.. that are happy no matter what... and SANTA!!!

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • kewal91:

      I don't really give or receive many gifts for Christmas and I am Christian. (Give 3 total, receive 2 or 3 total, all pretty inexpensive.)
      I do like a pretty tree and a nativity. I don't really have room for a tree here, just a tiny one. I have always loved the lights in the house at Christmas.

      Christmas for me is a religious event.
      I love to go to church if I can during advent. And Church at Midnight is where I want to be on Christmas Eve.

      Other than that, looking at pretty lights on a night's drive is fun. It's nice to see people smile.

    • 3 years ago
  • damezilla
  • b_lite
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      b_lite  
    • "He was nearly in tears - and so close to Christmas. I thought it was wrong."

      The "magic" she wants her kid to live through is nothing but a lie! Why would I want to lie to my kids? I would tell them exactly how the world is.

      Whoever says it's mean and cruel to tell the kid the truth, is being ridiculous. It is mean to lie! Truth is what is important in this world.

      When I was a kid, my grand-mother got mad because we were watching Santa Claus (the movie). Everybody was looking at her like she was crazy because she said "the people running these movies and different things are liars. They're the ones who bring a shock to the kids once they finally know the truth that it's not real." Even I didn't agree with her. However, now I understand what she meant back then. If only she was still alive. It seems like the older generations understand what is going on in the world more than us (in many cases) because we are brought up into the madness and we think it is normal.

      Just wait until they start chipping our kids on their hands and forheads. But no, we will be used to this type of chipping as we see rfid/chips/cards already being issued to us regularly in schools, licenses, passports, metros, buses,etc. They will say "It's normal now, we've been doing it for years. Why not just put in on our skin?" The kids in this time will be like "Sure! What a good idea," while we (the now older generations) will think this is an absurd idea. The world is going crazy as time goes by and not enough people seem to care! We need the truth!

      Whatever happened to "Thou shall not lie"

      On top of that, we now have Obama leading the country and is willing to reforumulate the education. The reform here in Quebec is taking place and they keep conditioning the kids (even through music).

    • 3 years ago
  • zahirah73
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      zahirah73  
    • My mother was honest with me from the beginning about Santa, but I still played along that he existed. I don't have kids, but I think I would do the same.

      I'm not sure what this teacher's idea was when revealing the Santa secret, I don't think it was her place to do so, but by no means should she have been fired for that.

      It's not specified in the story, but I assume this was a public school. Why, then, are they getting involved in a religious issue (Christmas is, after all, supposed to be about Jesus)?!

    • 3 years ago
  • AutifK
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      AutifK  
    • Hmmm... well, unfortunately, I don't get the full context of the situation by merely reading the tidbit that blanch presented. In which case, what if the teacher was asked something like, "Is Santa Claus real?" or "Does Santa Claus exist?" That sounds like a tight situation. What do you do? Lie to the children? They're asking because they want the truth, so it is in their best interests that you tell them that Santa Claus doesn't exist. But yea, I dunno, some people might say that its not like they are permanently lying to the children, but rather, just giving them something fun to look forward to while they are children.

      Anyway, that was all purely hypothetical. I don't know what the context of the situation was.

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • AutifK:

      Its easy, actually.
      If a kid comes up and asks if Santa is real, you say "Go ask your parents." That's not too hard, ja?
      Another idea is to say that the spirit of Santa Claus is very real, and that once a long, long time ago a guy did for the kids in his village exactly what we celebrate Santa doing today.
      There's a TON of ways to address the question without being blunt, too honest, or working against what some parents have decided to do with their children regarding the holiday. As a mother with two children in two separate headstates regarding Santa, I understand how difficult it can be at times, but it certainly isn't the place of the teacher to decide what belief structures are put up or torn down in the children they teach. That should be reserved for the parents alone.

    • 3 years ago
  • Sugarnut
  • davipaul2
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      davipaul2  
    • why tell children about Santa in the first place wouldn't you rather make christmas about showing love between family and friends with the exchange of gifts.

    • 3 years ago
  • des10
  • martron3000
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      martron3000  
    • OH, great ! Thanks for ruining Christmas for me by posting this story saying there's no Santa !!!

      I just finished cleaning the chimney and baking cookies to leave out for him....

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • Most children over the age of six have already been told by their buddies that Santa isn't real. This doesn't mean that they will quit pretending that they do. No way are they going to miss out on the cool presents that he brings.

    • 3 years ago
  • damnneargenius
  • damnneargenius
    • 0
      damnneargenius  
    • damnneargenius:

      Speaking of which, Santa does exist...as a man-made fairytale. The whole point is to have an excuse for the social celebration of Christmas, which is real, so I think we're getting into philosophical territory.

      Does God exist?

      If you think he does.

      Point and case.

      Merry Chris+mas!

      Ho, ho, hoes...

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • I said it once but I will say it again.

      Santa Claus is St. Nicholas ok.

      I mean, come on, don't folks understand that?

      If Jesus never lived, St.Nicholas would not have existed either and no Santa.

      Santa is spanish for Saint.

    • 3 years ago
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • SonofLiberty1:

      lolwut?
      That's like saying if Jesus never lived, then the Pope isn't real. OF COURSE the Pope is real. Duh.
      Saint Nicholas was NOT Jesus. He was a Germanic character that gave out wooden toys in Europe somewhere a long long time ago. He really had nothing to do with Jesus. I promise.

    • 3 years ago
  • arcticspirit
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      arcticspirit  
    • SonofLiberty1:

      That is true Santa=Saint
      Thus there wouldn't be saints without Christians existing in the world.
      And... Christians would not exist if Christ wasn't born.

      Santa isn't Christ. Totally different, but St. Nick wouldn't not have been a Saint, or Santa if it weren't for what came before him.

    • 3 years ago
  • philomena
  • purplefox
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      purplefox  
    • I still get a stocking - I think my mum believes more in Santa than I do. I wouldn't have the heart to tell her (plus I'd stop getting sweeties by my bed on Christmas morning...)

    • 3 years ago
  • orionblastar
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      orionblastar  
    • Actually Santa Claus is a secular replacement for Jesus Christ.

      He is based on the Dutch Sinterklaas and Saint Nicholas. So he really did exist as Saint Nicholas and made wooden toys for boys and girls.

    • 3 years ago
  • huntre
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      huntre  
    • When comparing this story to one about a teacher who was merely suspended for tying up children as part of a history class on slavery, firing seems over the top.

    • 3 years ago
  • unimatrix0
  • Nazuna
  • alicynx
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      alicynx  
    • unimatrix0:

      Then how about being honest about EVERYthing? Throw out the old dichotomy of pilgrims and indians, crucify Columbus, explain the reasoning behind slavery to first graders, and give sex ed to elementary school kids. Its all the truth, so why not shout it all from the rooftops?
      There is a time and a place for honesty with your children - when my daughter says "where did I come from?" should I explain sex? NO. Is it the job of her teacher to tell her? HELL NO. Granted this is an extreme as an example, but it holds true in other cases as well.
      Its the job of the parent to decide whether or not children are ready to have the myths behind holidays torn down or not. A seven year old may still hold on to the idea of Santa and getting a reward for good behavior, who are you to take that away from him? What right did that teacher have to take that away from those kids?

    • 3 years ago
  • indiaskys
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      indiaskys  
    • what a loser! she must be really miserable with her life to crush lil kids hopes and dreams...let kids believe in something for a little while...this world's reality is crap! she probably bites the head off the Gingerbread cookies first too...she will be getting COAL for Christmas this year fo sho!

    • 3 years ago
  • Arcade_The_Musical
  • Swiyyah
  • Neghie
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      Neghie  
    • I got into a fist fight in the third grade because I told this girl that Santa didn't exist. My mom never lied to me about the Santa thing and I'm glad she didn't. I find most people walk around living in fantasy land because its easier not to have to deal with reality. Why set your kid up for such a devastating truth? I just don't get it.
      Oh it's magical, it's magical! I'll tell you what was magical. The fact that we had anything to eat all in my house while growing up. Mom had to pay all the bills and scrape whatever she could to get us our gifts. Not some fat guy in a suit with flying reindeers. It makes me appreciate everything she did for us, and for everything I have now. Cut the Santa crap!

    • 3 years ago
  • SonofLiberty1
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      SonofLiberty1  
    • Neghie:

      Sorry honey but St. Nicholas was a Bishop in Turkey hundreds of years ago.

      That's who Santa Claus is...

      The remembrance of the Saint.

      Without Jesus Christ, there wouldn't be a St. Nicholas and thus no Santa.

    • 3 years ago
  • tanyetta
  • bashirdr
    • 0
      bashirdr  
    • I'm glad we live in a world where teachers can get fired for telling thier students the truth.

      Those of you who agree with the sacking should get together and make a list of all the true things we're not supposed to tell young children, and at what age we're finally allowed to reveal it to them. Don't forget to check it twice.

    • 3 years ago
  • VSiskos
  • arcticspirit
  • Nealeigh
  • sgirgis72
  • Cuddlebones
  • balderdashandpiffle
  • catannfo2
    • 0
      catannfo2  
    • sgirgis72:

      Are you a teacher? Do you even know what the classroom is really like? Have you ever spent a great deal of time in public schools?

      I like to think there are a lot of really crappy parents out there and the teachers can only work with what they have.

      Sub sould have been fired regardless. But you might want to reconsider your statement once you spend a considerable amount of time in classrooms.

    • 3 years ago
  • Jblanchard87
    • 0
      Jblanchard87  
    • How do Christians let their children believe in Santa, but also ban the Harry Potter books? That mother even called Santa part of the "magic" of Christmas!!

    • 3 years ago
  • Penguino
    • 0
      Penguino  
    • We all grew up thinking that it was Santa that left us presents, and it made it fun to be naive, and for someone to steal a child ignorance is unacceptable.
      We all found out he was not real we should give them the opportunity to find out the same thing.

    • 3 years ago
  • joshuaheller
  • hekk414
  • div
    • 0
      div  
    • on one hand, someone had to tell'em. on the other, c'mon it's christmas!!! who doesn't like the idea of santa, even if it isn't real. anyway, she's going on the naughty list this year.

    • 3 years ago
  • eldamon
  • purplefox
  • JonnyQwest
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      JonnyQwest  
    • eldamon:

      No kidding where does Church & State come into this... Oh yeah there is not separation of Church & State, and if there was that still would make no sense because Santa Clause has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus & his birth nor his death nor his resurrection; HELLO!

    • 3 years ago
  • bc007
  • cbjones
  • classic124
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      classic124  
    • Oh, the kids will be fine. I never believed in Santa Claus, my parents were straight honest about it.

      This is a stupid reason to fire a teacher.

    • 3 years ago
  • Scott_Bromley
  • suzybabe
    • 0
      suzybabe  
    • she's screwed up those poor kids for life.they'll learn he doesn't exist in their time-or should.hope teacher is happy now

    • 3 years ago
  • whathefk
    • 0
      whathefk  
    • I say good. Why spoil Xmas for the little kiddies? Life's shit enough without miserable f**kers like this making things worse.

    • 3 years ago
  • JonnyQwest
  • dirtyemowords
    • 0
      dirtyemowords  
    • hahaha, imagine what would have happened if she explained what christmas actually celebrates (Jesus' b-day) she may well have been linched...

    • 3 years ago
  • Nazuna
  • robotanist
    • 0
      robotanist  
    • dirtyemowords:

      Well its not actually just the celebration of jesus' birthday, it was originally a pagan holiday, yuletide.

      rigin of Christmas - The Traditions and Controversies
      For today's Christian, the origin of Christmas is, and should be, the birth of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. However, most of what we witness on December 25th each year has absolutely nothing to do with that blessed day, which probably occurred in late summer or early fall about 2,000 years ago. In fact, most of the customs and traditions of Christmas actually pre-date the birth of Jesus, and many of them are downright deceptive in their meaning and origin. Here are a few examples:

      The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples.

      Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it probably wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas.

    • 3 years ago
  • des10
    • 0
      des10  
    • dirtyemowords:

      i for one love your comment. sure i understand as the others pointed out that the origin of the holiday has a sorted history but it doesn't seperate the fact that CHRIST-mas is about God becoming incarnate through Jesus. I dont think they understood what you were getting at.

    • 3 years ago
  • mattbrawn
  • JonnyQwest
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