Using Gay Marriage to demand Polyamory, the Ultimate Subversion of Marriage

I just looked back a the title of this ...

Polyamory ( the state or practice of having more than one open romantic relationship at a time) already exists.

Its in ones mind and there is no legal way to stop it.
Even if there are though police it wouldn't stop it just make it illegal and such.

Which my friends Makes this debate MOOT , that is if we are to remain on topic and not just retort about gay marriage

Polygamy now that is a legal and religious issue which can be regulated

Polyamory is already state sanctioned soleil.

Bucket of FAIL.

In case you didn't know, it's not illegal to have multiple lovers.

That was 300 years ago, when those "founding fathers" said that. Society evolves, especially after three-hundred years. Back then, laws against homosexuality or women's rights were acceptable even in liberal countries.

Polyamory has no connection with gay marriage - linking them together is just a tired and trite scare tactic

Some people simply refuse to let go of their hate and ignorance. These people are usually older and not well educated.

Gay marriage is a moral litmus test. Those who oppose gay marriage simply lack the cognitive tools to come to a rational, well reasoned decision. The same kind of hate and ignorance that fought interracial marriage is fighting gay marriage.

The ignorance, hate and homophobia which is behind opposition to gay marriage is infuriating. Yet those who do oppose gay marriage deserve our pity. Imagine living in such darkness and fear, with out any true understanding of the world and the people around you. It is sad.

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.

A vtiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom"

Patrick Henry

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other "

John Adams

"Can the liberty of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God ?
That they are not to be violated but with His wrath ?

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just. "

Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson ->
"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."

Remember the original arguement was that if the constitution didn't speak to it .. the power was denied to the National Government.

After some discussion the Founding Fathers decided that some of the rights needed to be specifically protected since they were educated and well versed in how other governments had gone astray.

Thus the Bill of rights and the 1st amendment which allows for public discourse and information with desenting opinions protected as well as press and religion... as well as the right to petion for redress of grevinces which seems to have gotten abridged lately

and the 2nd amendment which gives the Sovereign people the right needed to protect themselves and the other rights

And we'll play the "Horst Wessel Lied" or "Onward Christian Soldiers" for you as you depart, whichever one you prefer.

This type of debate makes my head hurt. I don't understand why people feel that the actions of individuals within their own lives can somehow ruin life for the rest of us.

The United States has been and always will be a melting pot of different cultures, religions, values, beliefs, etc... Marriage is different in just about every single culture (and there are usually more differences within those cultures as well!) Also marriage is always changing with time. Thankfully most people these days (at least in this country) don't view it as "ownership" so much as a partnership. Those partnerships can take a lot of forms based on the people within them.

Laws regarding marriage have nothing to do with the morality of any issue, they simply guarantee the same rights and privileges to all married people... at least those we allow to marry. The fact that we are still debating whether to allow gays to marry is ridiculous. This is the bigotry of our time.

I don't know if society is quite ready for Poly relationships & marriages in mainstream, but don't try to tell me that amending marriage laws to accommodate another group of law abiding tax paying citizens is somehow immoral.

Just goose step right on out.

Save yourself the trouble and get packin' already!

I am not going around and around discussing the same.
thing.

Do what you want....

I am very clear on this. There is the law of cause and effect.

If Marriage is redefined, I will move my family where it is valued.

I do not plan and I am not paying the bill for what the moral decadence of this country is costing.

I am not paying for Wallstreet, for Washington, For GM
or the teachers union

When the governor of California is speaking of a financial Armagedon coming. I know it is coming

Look at all the signs around you.

One guy in Wallstreet just revealed a $50 B ponzi scheme under the watchful eye of the SEC.

There is a lot of denial going on for a long time.

I am not being an alarmist

Sol, it's completely clear that you have no idea what America is about, nor freedom, nor liberty, nor responsibility.

By saying that your marriage would be valueless you are literally giving up your own freedom and your responsibility to your marriage. Talk about slavery; you are a slave to your intolerance and small mindedness.

I hope you realize that you are one very few who will "lose hope" in America WHEN gay marriage becomes legal. How very sad for you.

Also, how exactly would banning same-sex marriage protect children? What would it protect them from? Different ideas and world views?

At it again? I have to say, I give you an A for persistence. But for valid evidence and arguments, an F. Everyone has successfully argued against your intolerant ideas and yet, you still ignore our points and evidence because you cannot accept they are true. Plus, your argument that it open doors for other things is extremely old. It's a scare tactic and it's not going to work.

And remember, civil rights of an individual are more valuable than your comfort.

This country was founded on liberty and responsibility.

Irresponsible liberty soon becomes slavery

do you not understand this country was founded on individual LIBERTY !!!

BTW ... in 1773 on the 16th of December some great people threw lots of tea in the harbor

Marriage is serious and has a clear meaning.

It defines what it means to be a husband, a wife,a father and a mother.

It is connected to the meaning of life itself.

Why do you think over 7 miilions Califonians supported Porp 8 despite all the medias, most of the politiicans, the unions etc...etc calling them bigots, homophobe etc...etc.

The fabric of this country, the insititution of this country are based on the institution of the family.

Obama will faill because, he does not understand the huge $ cost of the family breakdown in America

He wants to bring this country together on what ?

On the values of Planned Parenthood that protect child rapitsts day and day out.

I wish him the best luck in the world

"If marriage is redefined to be between two people of the same sex , then marriage as an institution has lost value for the millions and millions of people who commited to what it was."

So, it should be illegal because some people don't like it?

And also, why do people take marriage so seriously to the point that you'd leave the country just because some people have rights. Let people marry who they love, geez. You live your life, I'll live mine, let people live theirs.

Gay marriage is already a fact in the United States and has been for several years now. Both Massachusetts and Connecticut have full same sex marriage, and in neither state will it be overturned.

So, marriage in two American states has been redefined, and for those who consider it to have lost its value if that happens, it has happened. So, those people should not consider themselves married anymore if that is how they feel.

Therefore, I would say, "Why wait to move to another country? What you have feared has come to pass. So, do it now. Move now!" I don't think that anyone will miss you.

That's ridiculous. If your marriage loses it's value because of what other people do, it's not very valuable at all.

Your doomsday predictions over gay marriage are unbelievable. Everyday "regular" heterosexual people defile marriage by cheating on their spouses, beating them, even killing them. How dare you put the weight of society's woes on the homosexual community exclusively!

"I and my family will move to the state or country that respect the value and the meaning of what marriage is." PEACE OUT!

If marriage is redefined to be between two people of the same sex , then marriage as an institution has lost value for the millions and millions of people who commited to what it was.

I will not consider myself to be married anymore and I and my family will move to the state or country that respect the value and the meaning of what marriage is.

That is a certainty. A country that has lost respect for its citizens to such degre is in my opinion doomed.

Gay activists do not understand that and do not care.
I wish them luck.

America is now on the path to great suffering because of the course this country has taken during the last 40 years.

It is very sad to see but it is inevitable. It will get worse.

Depending on the state which is taking over everyhting that is falling apart will not do much

America has become arrogant and will be humbled
Just wait an see.

Then do not force everyone else to call it marriage and change what marriage is for them.

Doing as you please by forcing everybody to be part of it the issue.

Imposing a new definition of marriage on every body else and opening the door to every body else with another definition to impose it to is destroying it.

No one has that right.

It's their right if they want to do so. It's not like America will devolve because a handfull of people are allowed to do as they please.