Pope Benedict criticizes homosexual behaviour

natural disasters happen because of weather, not homo-activity. come to think of it countries that practice catholicism tend to have great natural disasters or even unexpected crises

I am great full that u really have great understanding of the faith of the catholic church. can i meet with u. this is my email address "markjoe4creed@yahoo.com" i will be very happy to meet u

I am great full that u really have great understanding of the faith of the catholic church. can i meet with u. this is my email address "markjoe4creed@yahoo.com" i will be very happy to meet u

"I agree with him and believe [that] all gays need God['s] deliverance or [they will] face [judgment]"

based on what?

Yeah, first, the catholic church has 1.13 Billion members around the world. Second, your last statement makes you look like the idiot... "yourselfs" is actually spelled yourselves.

i couldn't agree more. religion is the biggest lie/joke/absurd notion our world will EVER come to know.

Don't worry you aren't one.

Never were one in fact.

So don't concern yourself with that Blaspheming the Holy Spirit stuff. Your still a happy pagan, feel free to fornicate and stay clear of the religious forums.

timcat_blues... so only those that are religious can have a religious opinion? get off your high horse.

I'm sorry u really weren't a christian before i am sorry to say this. if u were a christian u will for no reason denounce Christ nor Christianity

so every former christian really wasn't a christian before?

Don't just type and throw it out there, puhlease?

You have no idea of what you speak. I'm not Catholic, don't even like the Church all that much and yet what you had to say stank of ignorance.

I don't mean that in an insulting way it's just I have followed the cases involving the pedophile priests myself enough to easily see that you haven't.

So please don't add to the ignorant blah blah of the crowd. Not when all you have to do is take thirty minutes and google to get caught up. It's embarrassing.

timcat take a fucking break

There is a argument to be made but what that has to do with the discussion at hand is lacking.

I think that might paraphrase both sides of the argument.

The temptation you're feeling is totally natural. Check truck stop bathroom stalls for the phone number of someone who can help.

How much stock can you really put in a guy that's not even trying to put forth a *constructive* argument, but instead takes a cheap shot at a respected religious leader?

uh lame.

Ha! I thought that it was pretty funny.

You should really read some of the posts above explaining this. It might clear up this issue for you.

I'm crystal clear, thanks.

somehow im not fully convinced of that....hmmm

No, you didn't read what was said. He was fourteen and he refused to go to the meeting, and he refused to join the army is what was said.

Prove that wrong or shut up about it, really, I am up too late for BS.

All males in the US over 18 are required by law to register for selective service; same concept. Will you hold some of our vietnam vets to the same contempt for having registerd and subsequently were drafted and participated in the war and atrocities that were committed there? Perhaps John McCain should be reviled for his service.

That we don't need more babies has nothing to do with it. If Homosexuals have no choice in their behavior then it is an Evolutionarily defect. Simple science, no god involved. If it is a defect then it must be monitored as such before it mutates.

If it is a defect then it is a genetic malfunction in the same way as the record increase in Autism and Asthma and may have a biological or environmental origin.

If it is and could be prevented by limiting our exposure to certain toxins what would that do to the Homosexual lobby?

timcat you need to get off of science's balls abd quit being so blind. it sounds like you worship science like all these religious folk worship their god

science is fallable just like everything else.

Are lesbians not homosexuals?

yes, but the bible doesn't say anything about the ladies doing the hanky panky!

outdated. false. Obviously a poorly thought comment made from generalized hate toward what I have no idea...

What's up with that? You usually make sense.

With great power comes great responsibility, I've seem much of the former and little of the latter from the church.

Have you actually been looking? Do you attend Roman Catholic Churches? How have you been seeing anything?

Is justright from the Catholic laity. A pedophile priest perhaps looking for confession perhaps. I think I will book mark your name.

Sorry to disagree with you Arctic, but I don't think one needs to attend Catholic mass every Sunday to get an idea of the size and scope of the rampant child abuse and subsequent cover-up that went on for decades.

One need only read the media.

As for the continuing work of the Church take a look at this excerpt from a BBC News report on Wednesday, 26 September 2007:

'Archbishop Chimoio told our reporter that abstention, not condoms, was the best way to fight HIV/Aids.

"Condoms are not sure because I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose," he alleged, refusing to name the countries.

"They want to finish with the African people. This is the programme. They want to colonise until up to now. If we are not careful we will finish in one century's time."

Aids activists in the country have been shocked by the archbishop's comments.'

MORE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7014335.stm

If the pope wants to talk about a scourge threatening humanity, he'd do well to look to his own church. When a Catholic Archbishop is spreading the lie that condoms actually cause HIV and it is church policy to stridently discourage their use in the hardest hit parts of AIDS ravaged Africa, then the Pope should be put on trial in the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity.

Millions are already dying as a result of this scourge and millions more children are being left without parents, without any education or means in lives of poverty. The continent will suffer retarded development for decades to come teetering on the brink of survival, occasionally lapsing into war. Famine will remain rife as the workforce collapses, taking families, economies, and possibly nations along with it.

Although I view discrimination against homosexuals as despicable and to be condemned, it is nothing compared to the policies that are even now having a genocidal impact on an entire continent. I've left the history of heinous crimes perpetrated by the Catholic Church and others in the name of religion for another debate. Suffice it to say, the Catholic Church is making history today.

Well... the billion people in the world who are Catholic do...

There are many in the Roman Catholic Church who addresses every week. And yes, he is important to them. I don't know the numbers, but they are high.

From reading Current I've learned that atheists and homosexuals seem to care more than catholics do about what the Pope has to say. For people that don't accept the popes views, they sure care about him a lot.

Yes, that is correct mojo. We do care about what the Pope has to say as he has a lot of influence on a large portion of our population. Even if he claims to be speaking out of "love" for us, people will only take what he says out of context and spin it to use it against us. There is no gray area here. Most religions may say they preach love, but in reality, it's fear they use to indoctrinate their believers.

Let us take God completely out of the equation. There is no God. What then?
Then, there is only evolution.
And under the Laws of evolution Homosexuality is a deviation from the normal. It is a flaw in the DNA code because it doesn't reproduce itself. It would breed itself out of existence in just a few generations were it not for our larger brains that have developed itself with technology that allows us to supersede biology with technology.

Our ethics and anthropological directives do not allow use of the pure logic of evolutionary law. In effect, We care for each other. Even those among our society that do not contribute to our progression along evolutionarily lines.

Thank goodness for religion which tempers our logic with Faith.

maybe theres 2 many ppl and the population must stop (or slow) its growth in order to survive in the long run. in that case homosexuality wins.

in fact wat you said only makes sense if homosexuality were a hugely widespread epidemic where all or a vast majority of children born were homosexual to the point that humans weren't reproducing naturally at all. that is clearly not the case.

Population density makes no difference, (unless you are agreeing to an over seeing greater intelligence) If the stated figures are correct then one in ten has this DNA defect, which would be a statistical significant amount. (Either you are just lacking in reference or are intentionality ignoring fact to hedge your argument.) A one in ten evolution breeding deficit would in any other species would breed itself out of existence.

That is pure science, none emotional, no bias, evolutionary science.

Prove me wrong or agree.

And with reason, not "blah, blah, bigot, homophobic, blah, blah."

And please don't take my words out of context I never said that Homosexuality had risen to the point of a plague on the future of humanity. Damn, just argue the point being made or keep it to yourself. Cheap shots from the cheap seats are not clever they are jsut annoying to those who are truly following the argument as clearly you aren't.

Put down the glass and go to bed.

timcat_blues.. try not being so hostile and examine your own argument. you say only technology has allowed homosexuality to persist and say 1 in 10 are homosexual. both of those statements are wrong. homosexuality can be traced as far back as written history allows us to examine. it is found in asia, africa, and europe in the early 500 AD. What technology allowed it to persist until today? I think you're generally in denial not that it will continue to persist but that it has always persisted. Take God out of the equation and it's just a sexual preference of a minority group. Put God in the equation, and it's blasphemous. It's as simple as that. 2-7% is the estimate for homosexual population, which is in reality severely statistically different than 1 in 10.

its simple. science is only as fallable as humans are. therefore your dumb if put all your faith in science.
all animals have shown deviant behavior wheather stealing from another animal to being homosexual. what does your evolutionary law say about that? dont get me wrong i believe in evolution but i dont think science has it quite figured out.

So bieng homosexual completely rules us out of this evolutionary law you speak of. We are homosexuals, but we still contribute many. We can still choose to have children through artificial insemination. You don't need sex nowadays to knock someone up. Turkey baster and voila, she's pregnant. May not be natural for many, but it's effective. And I do know a few homosexuals that do choose to go through the whole ritual of sex to inpregnate their host. Natural or not, we're not much of a threat to our continuous evolution.

No edits are necessary, the fact is he joined the Hitler Youth, This fact is not in dispute. You want to excuse the moral lapse because he was legally required. This is no excuse. He could have refused. Many good people did. Many of those wound up dead. All you show is that the pope was a coward as a young man.

His own cousin was killed by the Nazis very early on because he had Down's Syndrome. The pope *never* assisted the Nazi's, and hated their philosophies. The pope (Joseph Ratzinger) never attended any Hitler Youth meetings. He deserted the army. His father hated the Nazis so much, he used his own home as an American headquarters as soon as they arrived in Germany. If anything, it speaks to the fact that the pope had an incredibly *strong* moral character.

Yeah, gotta give it to him on this one zero.

yea *seriously*... sry had 2 *do* it lol

yes yes lets all believe what the infallable wikipedia says... oh wait.

The Catholic Church is not just addressing the faithful. It is actively working politically against gay rights all over the world.

In Spain, it is still campaigning against gay marriage. Once gay marriage was passed in Spain, and the populace realized that the campaign against it was just fearmongering by the Catholic Church, public opposition evaporated.

That hasn't stopped the church from doing everything it can to whip up hatred, prejudice and bigotry against gays in that country in order to revive its battle against gay marriage. It will do whatever it takes to get what it wants.

The Catholic Church is not "fearmongering". The Catholic Church *strongly* emphasizes that there should be absolutely NO bigotry or discrimination against homosexuals. Homosexuals are God's children too, just as everyone else is. That said, the Catholic Church also sees marriage as a *sacrament* that is about more than just love, but procreation as well. Spain is one of the most Catholic countries in Europe. Of *course* it's going to campaign for the promotion of its values.

If the Catholic Church had its way in Spain, it would get rid of civil "marriage" altogether so as not to confuse the term with the sacrament. It most likely *wouldn't* interfere with state efforts at civil unions for heterosexuals and homosexuals. The Catholic Church campaigned just as vigorously against civil marriage, and yes, it's STILL a sin for a Catholic to enter a civil marriage without celebrating the Catholic *sacrament* of marriage.

The pope is doing the hating on the homosexuals; I'm just pointing out that this guy (the pope) is a poor judge of morality.

You haven't demonstrated any way in which he's a flawed judge of morals yet... In fact, I think he's the evidence shows him to be someone of *extreme* moral character.

As I was saying he is addressing the Roman Catholic Church that is World Wide. There are probably some things about the church that people here would hate. They are pro-life, and they believe that marriage is a sacrament between a man, a woman and God. A civil divorce cannot break this bond.

Blurt out hate if that is the conditioned Pavlovian response that you cannot undo. Or learn and understand what is actually going on.

The Vatican is no political machine. The Pope holds no political power. The Pope is there to help people of Roman Catholic Faith.

And if you want to know the truth about him, research it, don't rely on the regurgitated hate that is here. It's very much like the propaganda the KKK uses in it's hate speeches against Catholics.

ummm... wats the deal w/ using *these* things on *like* every other *word*...??

What about them?

Gay pedophile priests don't represent the catholic church. At least not any more than gay pedophile school teachers represent the National Education Association, and not any more than gay pedophiles represent the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Agreed.

that would be the case if they were allowed to stay teachers or work for the task force. but if that were found out, they would be fired; not moved to a different school. last year here in sacto the main catholic church got a new pedophile priest as a replacement. are you telling me they couldn't just find a new priest?

Sure, he's a nazi because he joined the Hitler youth as required by law. On the same token you might say that victims of the Holocaust are all Nazis as well since they also did things as a result of being subject to Hitler's rule.

uh, no. priests who abuse young boys are pedophiles. gay priests would be having sex with other gay priests or keeping it on the down low in bars and clubs.

Actually, the *proper* term is pedastery, where men are engaging in relations with teenage boys. A large proportion (although not all) of the sexual abuse occurred between priests and boys over age 12. This is a different phenomenon than true pedophilia, as it generally *does* involve homosexual tendencies.

They were gay and then pedofile.

The gay community is in complete denial about this and is trying to spin this a different way because being gay does mean to be a pedofile.

Everybody knows than homosexuals abuse girls !!!

Really ?

please dont tell me we are going back to that old thing about all gays being pedophiles. Gays are as human as straights, so of course there are gays who are pedophiles. There are plenty of straights who are pedophiles. Does that mean its right? hell no, but it means that you cant stereotype people.

I'll agree with that. In no way does being gay automatically mean that someone is a pedophile. Pedophiles and those that engage in pedastary have completely different motivations and desires, and although those that engage in pedastary generally are homosexual or have homosexual tendencies, that still renders them only a tiny subset of a larger community.

So since a lot of pedofiles are straight, straight people are pedofiles too?

That is what people are making others think with all this trash talking about priests in the Roman Catholic Church.

And yeah it makes just as much sense. Less than 1% of all the priests world wide had committed this crime, and they were removed from the priesthood by Pope John Paul II.

And due to public fear they carefully screen priests to make sure that they are not openly homosexual now.

Yes, seriously, you can blame hetero and gay for this but it goes back to a perversion of either side. Having sex with children is a whole different animal that needs to be "Cut off" at the source. And by that I mean Life in prison, because recidivism is far to high in this group to ever trust them in society.

This discussion has Nothing to do with pedophiles.

soleil.. ur wrong.. and pedastry?.. never heard of the term.. i am so not in sync with all these politically correct terms that "they" are creating..

are you stupid or just retarded?