Community | January 10, 2009 | 83 comments

The changing map of Israel

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Maggiekortchmar
I found this compelling. I take no sides here, I realize both the Israelis and Palestinians have legitimate and seemingly unsolvable conflicts. Both sides must be illuminated. Here is a view.

Palestine land map 1947 - 2000
There's the territory, then there's the map.
Note particularly 1967 - 2000 this map is almost 10 years out of date.

Since the last map update, the 20 ft wall and illegal settlements have been built. There is no freedom of movement for Palestinians to travel from one partitioned area to all other areas of their territory. Since the building of the wall, many more families have been divided, thier lands inaccessible to farm, all goods and services controlled by Israel. Essentially Palestine is now a series of walled prisons
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  • MsBennet
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      MsBennet  
    • Interesting but your history doesn't go back far enough. Look at the portions of Jewish properties seized by the Palestinians in the 1920s.
      Also, the name "Palestine" was imposed by the Roman Empire to disassociate the area from the Kingdom of Judah. There has always been a Jewish presence in the land.
      The peoples currently calling themselves Palestinians decry Jews as interlopers and occupiers. History doesn't support this assertion.
      Certainly the land can be shared but to bomb Jewish peoples and call yourself a religion of peach is a crock.

    • 1 year ago
  • Kylsport
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      Kylsport  
    • Maggikotchmar, your map is true and information is correct. Please ensure that you include the whole truth though. Palatani is a latin term (or filistine in arabic) for the region, not an enthnicity. Please mention that all palastians are either of Jordanian, Syrian, or Egyptian heritage, which were exiles after they lost the wars in 1947-1948, and again in 1967 and so forth. Not only were they screwed when they lost the wars to Israel, but screwed by their own homeland which used them to proxy future sympathy by allowing them to suffer.

      When the prophecy is fulfilled, after the near plight of the Jews, true justice will fall on the arabs when they lose their a majority of their kingdom to Israel. Those who do show mercy to Israel (i.e. Jordon and Egypt, who signed peace deals) will be given favor. Damascus will be destroy in one hour of one day (this prophecy was told more than 2500 years ago by the Jewish prophet Daniel (in chaldo-assyrian-Belshazzar during Babylonian captivity circa 554 BCE) and the only thing that can wreak that much havoc is an atomic bomb).

    • 3 years ago
  • justfine51
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      justfine51  
    • They say that Hamas is backed by Iran. Fine. Now the next point is...Not every Palestinian belongs to Hamas..in fact the ratio is quite small. As i said before-this is purely a political war and as usual,the common man is stuck in the middle and pays...

    • 3 years ago
  • derek901
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      derek901  
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    • Terrorist Sees His Paradise in Gaza's Pain -

      Taghreed El-Khodary

      A car arrived at Shifa Hospital in Gaza with a 21-year-old man with shrapnel in his leg who demanded quick treatment. The Islamic Jihad militant, smiling a big smile, explained, "When we fire we run, but they hit back so fast. We run into the houses to get away."

      "Why are you so happy?" this reporter asked. "Look around you" at the suffering families in the hospital. He replied, "They lost their loved ones as martyrs. They should be happy. I want to be a martyr, too." (New York Times)

    • 3 years ago
  • RhythmLion
  • derek901
  • gaiusfurius
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      gaiusfurius  
    • If Israel gave all the land to The Palestinians tomorrow, Hamas would still want every Jew dead. This in a nutshell is why this post is either REALLY dumb. Or really partisan to the point of criminal. I hope is just that the poster wanted some good ol vibes from her leftest buddies and had no ill intent. But, this kind of crap is really stupid. Israel gave gaza to the Palestinians already, and the Palestinian president backs Israel, wanting the terrorist out of their country. The American leftist is so hungry for attention, they don't care who they hurt, how big the lies are. This is gonna backfire on them someday.

    • 3 years ago
  • Salaam
  • cabinettags
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      cabinettags  
    • gaiusfurius:

      Salaam, in a folly typical of both Israeli and US politics we created Hamas ourselves. Arafat, who was the head of the PLO (which later became Fatah), was giving everyone trouble. So Israel, with US help, funded his opposition. This opposition grew up to be Hamas. During just the last few years the bad guys have become the good guys, and the good guys have become the bad guys. That's ARAB politics.

      This is far from the 1st time the US has backed the wrong horse for the right reason and lived to regret it.

    • 3 years ago
  • cabinettags
  • Salaam
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      Salaam  
    • gaza was given back to the palestinians after international pressure to do so. but israel still has control over land and sea movements, as well as what goes in and out of the strip. so basically it is still being occupied.

    • 3 years ago
  • Salaam
  • gaiusfurius
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      gaiusfurius  
    • The problem, this war isn't about the Palestinian difference in agreement over land issues. It is about Hamas and their Wannabe jihad on Israel, confusing the issue with this obvious problem between the two peoples is akin to lumping Saddam in on 9/11. Its apples and potatoes.

    • 3 years ago
  • damnneargenius
  • akamaial
  • justright
  • tt112
  • akamaial
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      akamaial [removed]  
    • tt112:

      No doubt Pink feels the pain of it all, that I don't question. Yet she should fall to her knees and thank god that she hasn't had to carry that burden as GW has. Who is she to presuppose the POTUS doesn't feel that anguish a thousand times more ? Who among any of you, ye self righteous hypocrites ?

    • 3 years ago
  • thetrimsmith
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • thetrimsmith:

      the jews were hated for 2thousand years because they were strangers in strange lands after being expelled from isreal. they spend 3thousand years before that doin just fine so for the majority of the time the jews have existed they ruled in peace. hatred of the jews is a direct result of dumb shit like you posted being read by other dumb shits

    • 3 years ago
  • Matchlessman
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      Matchlessman  
    • What if you liveded in the northern part of our country and canada just casually started making subdivisions that made there way into any of the northern border states. Do you think our government would be complaicent? Hell no.

      Prisons is a correct word for it and if 1/3 of these killed were children, when do we start calling genocide? Not to be one sided at all, I cant imagine being at the grocery and seeing a rocket randomly blow the place apart either..... But I will stand by the fact that who wins with an improvised weapon VS an F16 and tanks on all borders????? Who is the tyrant?

    • 3 years ago
  • akamaial
  • Matchlessman
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      Matchlessman  
    • Matchlessman:

      You have a good point and I am starting to watch all of us poor our hearts into these posts. I am a white American living a kush life in a nice neighborhood in Colorado. I don't know shit really, but going back to 03 when our own administration scared the crap out of all us with ALLOGATIONS about wmd's. And 6 years later, nothing found and all along the violence has created MORE angst.

      Isreal in my opinion is the agressor, I don't have the answer and I am so far away from the reality of the matter...... Its a tough call really, atleast we are all talking!!!! We all want peace, but I don't see that being achieved through a higher level of violence.

    • 3 years ago
  • akamaial
  • kuffar
  • Matchlessman
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      Matchlessman  
    • kuffar:

      Is this like a sport now? To think they want to start fining Football players here in the states for hitting to hard when that is a game of agression and control of territory.... Not war, too much inocent blood has been shed.... On both sides for you to throw a comment like that out.

    • 3 years ago
  • akamaial
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      akamaial [removed]  
    • Apparently I'm going to be the among the few dissenters here. Reflect on this perspective if you will..... Should I (Israel)have a superior defense force, and you (Hamas) did not, and I have attempted to abide by numerous cease fire and peace agreements, and you did not, as well as refusing to negotiate in good faith to any form of peace agreement, as I have...then fire thousands (yes, thousands) of rockets at me over the years, as you have,... what prey tell do you think the eventual consequences will be ? You are fools to delude yourselves that I would not take any and all measures to bring you to your knees. War is hell, don't be so foolish as to engage in it with someone who wants to be left in peace, yet is willing and able to strike back at your fanaticism

    • 3 years ago
  • Mumup
  • chicaalmodovar
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      chicaalmodovar  
    • I really recommend every person to read the book Teach Yourself the Israeli Palestinian Conflict by Stewart Ross.

      It provides clear, concise information of every phase of the conflict, including a brief overview of the Biblical origins of each region.

      And I think it will make you less biased when reading what's going on now, because you'll have a clearer view of why each side acts the way it does.

    • 3 years ago
  • justright
  • mik661
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      mik661  
    • Hamas is being backed by Iran. Iran's president refused to acknowledge Israels right to exist. He denied the holocaust and vowed that Islam would destroy Israel. Why should Israel have any sympathy for an enemy who has vowed to destroy them?

    • 3 years ago
  • MrFight
  • mik661
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      mik661  
    • Palestinians had no more right to that land than the jews. Half the land promised to the jews by Great Britain was taken back to form Jordan and given to the arabs. These so called Palestinians didnt want to live in Jordan they wanted their piece of the wealth created by Israel. Why dont their arab "brothers" inJordan give the palestinians land and aid?

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • Salaam
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      Salaam  
    • mik661:

      actually after many palestinians were expelled from their homeland in 1948 and 1967 they went to the neighboring countries of lebanon, syria, and especially jordan. its in the books.

    • 3 years ago
  • fearless
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      fearless  
    • Israel is overreacting to the Palestinian threat out of fear and bravado, not a desire to cleanse their ethnicity. Have any of you ever been to New Mexico? The US has indigenous people too. At least the Israelis aren't handing out small pox blankets.

    • 3 years ago
  • justfine51
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      justfine51  
    • Both sides have their wrongs,but there comes a time when it has to stop. When you take away people's basic rights and needs,put them in barbed wire fences and make their homes ghettos,they are going to retaliate...This basically a polical war,but as usual,the everyday man is the one that is suffering....The Israeli army so outdoes the Hamas,I can't see what Israel has to lose but to stop and talk...and why the US backs Israel is beyond me...Please....for the common man....stop and work this out...you don't have to be friends,but the killing has to stop!!!!!!!!

    • 3 years ago
  • ingots
  • ejasun
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      ejasun  
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    • How to suffocate a people...

      The Wall Divides "People" Villages and Cities.

      a six-year-old Palestinian boy used to carry his schoolbag and walk to the adjacent village of his elementary school is located.

      He ignored Israeli bulldozers and workers building the security fence.

      Every day, he crossed on foot vast areas of land that were being leveled and razed

      One morning, there was a big fence separating him from the school.

      Despite international opposition to claim occupied territories and Israel; it has been constructed where a vast area of Palestinian property has been confiscated and villages isolated from the Palestinian community.
      That day, Raed did not know what to do. He searched for a gap in the fence, but there was not even enough space for a cat to cross.

      He grabbed the fence with his small hands and shook it as hard as he could, but still it was there and his home unreachable.

      His father, said that discovering the fence left a psychological impact on his child.

      He has lost concentration in class, and fear crosses his face when he sees armored vehicles and Israeli troops working on the fence. more..

      I think this photo explains it all
      Like someone putting their fence on my property and claiming it for them selves, SO SAD

      Respect for others property? Or reasonable occupation?

    • 3 years ago
  • GiLGiJ
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      GiLGiJ  
    • I'm pretty sure that most people won't think that this tension is a Christian conspiracy - that's pretty clear..

      ..but, look! This IS reminiscent of the events described in the Bible's book of Revelation.

      Can you see how the whole world, one day, will actually stop fighting among itself long enough to try to destroy Israel? The mechanics seem to be in place.....

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • GiLGiJ:

      Wow! That book of revelations crap is not only crazy but its extremely anti-semetic! it is predicated upon the belief that all Jews need to eventually make their way back to Israel so that all non-believers can be slaughter in a fiery blaze of God's indigence!

      If you believe anything in the book of revelations I must ask why you would frequent any news site? Obviously reality has no baring on your perspective.

    • 3 years ago
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • EternityAwaits
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • Its clear to me that Israel will only have peace when it gets all the land it wants, then and only then there will be peace in that region, until then you can protest all you want, you can say what ever you want, Israel does not respect the law, they have proven it, time after time, and no need to start respecting the law any time soon. So I dont see this ending until they complete all their objectives. -

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • Prijedor:

      Israel can be made to respect the rule of law if the US so chooses. Those planes and helicopters and a great deal of the money used to facilitate this attack comes from the US government! What's more, the political coverage that is required--i.e. vetoes in the United Nations general assembly are provided by the US

    • 3 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • Prijedor:

      the land in question here is gaza wich was just last year given to the palastinians straight up
      no concessions no deals
      isreal just GAVE gaza to them
      it has nothing to do with land

    • 3 years ago
  • Prijedor
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      Prijedor  
    • Prijedor:

      That land is Palestinian, so how can Israel give them something thats theirs?

      Thats like me jacking your car and your house, then GIVE the car to you because i am nice

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • it is also important to mention how the shifting borders have annexed key water supplies.

      That said, a series of walled prisons in which entire populations are forced to live primarily based on their religion sure sounds like concentration camps to me!

    • 3 years ago
  • freecrack
  • vidi03
  • telekinesis
  • FallenMorgan
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      FallenMorgan  
    • Create a secular state for Palastinians and Jews. Take the Star of David off the flag and the Menorah off the Emblem. Create a nation with a flag that represents both people and the unity they'd share under such a fair, equal state. Instead of this we have Israel and Palestine, fighting eachother for supremacy. The "Holy Land" does not belong to the Jews. The "Holy Land" does not belong to the Palestinians. The "Holy Land" belongs to both of them. If they had brains they would share what they have.

    • 3 years ago
  • freecrack
  • VitaminStolz
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      VitaminStolz  
    • This is the greatest dispute of the 21rst century perhaps. The Jews have been more than compliant giving back numerous amounts of land, while under rocket and guerilla fire. The Palestinians are wrong to become so desperate. Using Hamas, who have committed extremely unethical attacks (the UN school building) as a means to an end. The Jews were once a thriving nation in ancient history, but were crushed by the Romans and practically everybody else after words.
      But Palestine was a country before Israel was implanted.
      A lagit peace negotiation must be reached to appease both the Jewish & Arab people.
      Easier said than done.
      I blame poor judgement from the Brits and Americans, post WWII, but the Arab people in the Middle East are very immature. Prone to Tantrums (Jihad).

    • 3 years ago
  • cwc_agent
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      cwc_agent  
    • VitaminStolz:

      "Two tank shells exploded outside the school, residents said, spraying shrapnel on people inside and outside the building, where hundreds of Palestinians had sought refuge from fighting between Israeli soldiers and Hamas militants."

      Hamas has no tanks. They have home made rockets which are really just metal tubes with TNT at the end and pottassium nitrate as a propellant.

    • 3 years ago
  • WhiteNoise
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      WhiteNoise  
    • "It demands great spiritual resilience not to hate the hater whose foot is on your neck, and an even greater miracle of perception and charity not to teach your child to hate." - James Arthur Baldwin

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
  • Maggiekortchmar
  • damnneargenius
  • damnneargenius
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      damnneargenius  
    • WhiteNoise:

      That is an excellent documentary. Everyone whose tax dollars are supporting such things should be forced to watch this just like at a national stockholders meeting.

      Force them to play it in movie theaters, the stage 'redirection gatherings' at local movie theaters where you guilt people into watching it instead of the entertainment junkfood.

      Well, in the land of class action lawsuits, you can never be too safe.

      This is a black eye on the human condition, who dares be foolish enough to justify such behavior?

    • 3 years ago
  • Salaam
  • derek901
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • Maggiekortchmar, I take no sides either. I present no maps in saying this. The people of this region need no maps to understand their divisions. Between the maps, cultures, religion, and divisive issues, they understand all too well why they want to kill each other.
      Pictures of children torn apart, I've seen them. People with guns raised defiantly against tanks, take your pick. These are not going to bring peace. Holding on to your anger and passing to the next generation will not bring change, only more violence.
      Two thoughts that I like credit my grandmother with, although I've heard hundreds of times from other people. Two wrongs do not make a right. Treat others the way that you would want them to treat you.

    • 3 years ago
  • JPat
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      JPat  
    • It's not the fact that there is so much anti-Israel sentiment around at the moment that is surprising - critiques of any nation should never be off limits.
      What is quite astonishing though is the sheer volume of view and opinion on Israel (by people who probably see themselves as intelligent and well informed) that is superficial, staggeringly one-sided and, in many cases, seems to be nothing more than willfully ignorant and misleading.

      And by the way, anyone who takes John Pilger's view on anything as balanced and objective, let alone authoritative, needs to ask themselves a few serious question.

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • JPat:

      I love people that so arbitrarily dismiss criticism of what they perceive to be "their side." You offer no evidence to support your claims regarding the criticism of IDF practices and Israeli government policy.

      You, however, take your dismissal to the next level by dismissing the notion that pretensions of intelligence by these critics are as illegitimate as the criticisms themselves.

      Its amazing how perceptive you are! Deducing all of this without a lick of evidence to support your claims!!
      What a world it would be if everyone were as gifted as you!

    • 3 years ago
  • Gargaryun
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      Gargaryun  
    • Let Me see how bluntly I can put this....Until every U.S. Citizen that is screaming so loudly about how horridly the Israelis are treating HAMAS & the rest of the Palestinian People rise up in arms (figurativly) to FREE
      Leonard Peltier,I will consider You nothing but a bunch of COWARDLY HYPOCRITICAL SHITHEADS...Clean up Our own house first.! OR Do any of You little punk wanna-be NAZIS even know Who I'm referring to?!?

    • 3 years ago
  • WhiteNoise
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      WhiteNoise  
    • Gargaryun:

      Letters from Leonard Peltier--reminder of genocide against Native Americans
      http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1181.shtml

      A People's History of the United States
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_United_States

      Columbus to the Robber Barons

      Chapter 1, "Columbus, the Indians, and Human Progress" covers early Native American civilization in North America and the Bahamas, the genocide and slavery committed by the crew of Christopher Columbus, and the violent colonization by early settlers. Topics include the Arawaks, Bartolomé de las Casas, the Aztecs, Hernando Cortes, Pizarro, Powhatan, the Pequot, the Narragansett, Metacom, King Philip's War, and the Iroquois.

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • Gargaryun:

      Those belligerent remarks do not help your worthy cause. That said, the IDF is using American weapons to undertake its illegal and immoral endeavors. Furthermore, the Israeli government could never get away with these atrocious acts without US political cover.

    • 3 years ago
  • phillyharper
  • telekinesis
  • Prijedor
  • phillyharper
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      phillyharper  
    • Image
    • The source of this image is from Occupation Magazine which obviously won't hold the most balanced view of the Israel/Gaza conflict. None the less I think the image does hold some truth.

    • 3 years ago
  • PrimeTime
    • PrimeTime  
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  • bluestranger
  • jollywood
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      jollywood  
    • Let em blow each other up. The more Hamas tries to hide behind it's people, the more of the people will die. Hamas needs to be treated like the terrorist organization they are, democractically elected or not. Good riddance.

    • 3 years ago
  • foebea
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      foebea  
    • jollywood:

      That reminds me of The Simpsons, an early episode... "Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself".

      It is the person who pushes the fist, not the fist itself, who is ultimately responsible for the consequences.

      Isreal is using 'Precision Bombs' in densly populated areas. They are wrong, but they have no alternative as that is the layout of the land, and they are feeling threatened by Palestinian refusal to leave thier homes.

      Palestinians are launching rockets against the illegal occupier of its homeland, a nation which is threatening to remove them completely. They have no alternative in defending thier nation.

      How about we reinstate by force the original UN border and forbid either side from encroachment.

    • 3 years ago
  • nadercrat
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      nadercrat  
    • jollywood:

      You have just publicly stated support for the slaughter of children by the most advanced and destructive weapons on earth! You should truly be ashamed of yourself. The philosophy of simplistically lumping people into two categories--good versus evil--has been shown to be so flawed that it invariably leads to immoral acts, as it has in this instance.

      I defy you to define what a terrorist is? For the record, the African National Congress (Nelson Mandella's resistance group) were consdidered terrorists by the United States and specifically Dick Cheney since their inception up through the 1980's when Cheney voted against divestment measures against the apartheid regime.

    • 3 years ago
  • foebea
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      foebea  
    • Based on that map, if I were palastinian I would be launching rockets too. They are all but wiped off the face of the earth, thier country is evaporating. Just think if someone... say..... if at the height of the cold war the russians had done that in the united states, you think americans would not fight back?

      The house of reps say pala wants isreal wiped off the face, but look at the map! israel IS wiping pala off the face of the map.

    • 3 years ago
  • jollywood
  • bluestranger
  • diabolical44
  • cerealforeal
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      cerealforeal  
    • As the evidence piles up and signals that the Israeli's are building a concentration camp for the Palestinians, it just proves that they are no better than their 1940 Nazi counterpart.

    • 3 years ago
  • iloveravi
  • brad2000
  • kyackr
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      kyackr  
    • is there a reason Israel has taken over so much Palestinian territory? what is the map like further back
      prior to the 1940's ? I can understand why the Palestinians would vote in Hamas .. out of anger and frustration when you see what's been going on in recent decades.

    • 3 years ago
  • freecrack
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      freecrack  
    • kyackr:

      one perspective is that the jews slowly pushed them out in a land grab just as plausable and my opinion based on what ive learned is isreal tried to have a state where jews and palastinians lived side by side but palastinians believe that the prophet mohamed faught the jews there for its there duty to continue fighting so the palastinians had the opportunity to stay but wouldnt stop attacking jews and over time as a matter of security they were removed. this telling of history may come across as cold and heartless but i remember seeing video of jews praying at the western wall (wich they hadnt been able to do for 2 thousand years) while palastinians threw rocks over the wall at them from the other side.

    • 3 years ago
  • Salaam
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