School can expel lesbian students, court rules

did you read the article? they weren't getting it on in the broom closet, they even denied being lesbians. that should be evidence enough to let them go to school there

your analogy about an islamic state is so intelligent. you might as well tell a black person in the segregation era that they should shut up and be happy on the back of the bus because at least they're not slaves anymore

There's no solid evidence they were lesbians. And would you be defending them if it was a regular school expelling a student because he or she is black?

What the school did was wrong because first of all, there was no solid evidence that they were lesbians, and their personal sexual orientation would not hinder the educational process. They did not do anything such as make out on the front steps of the school.

It is clear that you have not read the article.

Stop using the race card. That is shameful

There is not Xstian principle that is against being from another race but there are Xtians principles againts unatural relations.

Those are in the code of conduct that they have signed when they join the school.

This is common practice everywhere

They did not make out on school grounds or announce they were lesbians. A busy-body student told a teacher that one girl said she "loved" another, which can mean platonic, friendship type love. So, the teacher looked on their myspaces, which said "bisexual" and "not sure."

It was wrong of the school to expell them. They did not do anything at all to disrupt class or create any kind of problem. There was no evidence, even, that they were girlfriends in the non-platonic sense.

"Schools like this should have a right to discriminate all they want."

i disagree. NOBODY should be allowed to discriminate. at all. ever. period. for any reason. this should be the real moral here. not that 'gays are bad' or whatever they think.

It's a private school, run by private individuals. America is a free nation, and the right to discriminate comes with the other rights you get. It's called freedom of speach and freedom of oppinion. It's called letting people do what they want with the money they earned.

If we lost the right to discriminate, then organizations like the KKK and Neo-Nazis would likely fall appart. But, then so would the Negro collage fund and other African-American programs, unions and institutions. Anything that bases it's criteria on race, gender, age, history, background, pretty much any restrictions, could be argued to be illegal. That would take away rights to alot of private institutions, and would disolve the foundation of freedom that America is based on.

While I agree with most of what you said here, the fact is, if the private school follows a basic curriculum as laid out by the government then the students should be able to get a diploma from said private school.

Agreed, but I'll bet you $100 that they DON'T teach standard curriculum (evolution for example) and when someone tries to do something about it they whine and cry to the courts and get away with it most of the time.

but we all know nobody could start even a private school and expel somebody for being black on that basis.

black is not a moral issue, although there are all minority schools, who are allowed to not admit other races

all minority schools do admit students of other nationalities, hate to break it to you. (although i don't agree with any type of segregated schools)

and gay is not a moral issue, either. why would it be?

As I described earlier this is a decidedly un Lutheran point of view...but besides that it is discrimination, and there is no difference, if discrimination is allowed in one private institution, then I can start my own PRIVATE institution and not allow any particular race I choose, how about arabs this time, right? you are advocating people have the right to do that because if it's thier private institution they decide what freedoms are allowed inside of it? This is just wrong on so many levels.

Because only religious people have morals...

Anyway, If someone discriminating against a group of people is considered to have 'morals' then the world would be better off without them.

morality is independent of religion

personally, i don't need a book written by people thousands of years ago to tell me what's right and wrong.

most likely i think they pay to have that old moral type of thinking not the so called public school system way...

a girl hugging another girl means she has no morals? wtf?

You're a fucking idiot. Gay people HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AROUND.

Maybe you didn't see it because you were FUCKING CLUELESS. Or because if they showed themselves YOU would probably beat the shit out of them.

Coward, go back to your hole.

It would be wise to not lump every christian into one group. Some don't even attend church because they cannot reconcile with the "rules" of the "religion"...

How did he lump every Christian into the same group? I really don't see where he did that.

Well I suppose I lumped all christians together by stating they all should have values of acceptance (Im just not comfortable with the word tolerance), but I was for the most part trying to address Lutherans in particular (being a prestbyterian) and therefore making a clear distinction between catholics and protestants in that catholicism is admitting a human heirerachy between oneself and Jesus, and therefore allows more room for the imposition of interpretation of the Bible, however Lutherans, fundamental followers of Luther believe that each individual makes that interpretation for themselves.

Hey um... wasn't Martin Luther seriously anti-Semitic?

Strangely, for a Christian in the 16th century he might have been, fairly odd though I don't think there were very many anti-semites then...or ever... my point is what does that have to do at all with what I was talking about serveral months ago here? he still was right about individual reflection on the bible, or because the guy who came up with that Idea, and began producing vernacular bibles was an anti-semite, all of his good ideas should probably be voided...

can you please explain to me why you think that?

Yeah, I think he mentioned something about hypocrits at some point along the way, I'm sure he was cool with them.

If they had the choice, they probably wouldn't. But their parents are the ones who will ultimately make that decision. They might not be out to their parents, possibly with very good reason.

Also, it might also depend on the quality of schools in. There are plenty of non-Christian kids enrolled in Christian schools because those are the schools that happen to offer the best education in that area.

oh, yes I agree with that, I have experience with that. but it seems to me that since that this went to trial and all that the parents must have had some awareness of what was going on. either that or they were using the school as a way to straighten out their "behaviour".

True, but reading the article, it seems like a lot the behavior was pretty ambiguous. I mean, it's kind of a hallmark of being a teenage girl to have ridiculously close friendships with your best friends--and that's been the case with most girls I know, whether they are gay or straight. And a picture of two girls hugging as evidence? I could go through my photos and pull out at least 20 pictures of me and my high school friends hugging--and I never dated any of them. I don't know, something about the whole case just seems fishy to me.

yes, I agree it is thin and reactionary. besides I would think the ideal is to love everyone and try and maybe talk to them about it.

That's one way to look at it, but I went to a private Catholic school and we had plenty of students who weren't Catholic, but who attended because it was a good school and they could afford to pay for that education. Does that mean they gave up their rights and freedom to disagree with church practice when they stepped through the doors?

Just because someone is gay or lesbian doesn't mean they can't be religious. That's an outrageous assumption.
Why is it that people seem to think that sexual orientation and religion are somehow linked? The reason MOST gays/lesbians aren't religious is because or how intolerant most religious institutions are to their lifestyle.
Being gay or straight is not a choice, like being Lutheran or Jewish. There is absolutely no reason why someone should be kicked out of their own high school for who they are as a person.

Religion isn't the issue, discrimination is. There are plenty of people in all religions who don't behave in this way--they just don't get the spotlight.

people who have a religious beliefs or believe in something does not make them sheep, they just have a different opinion then you. and um isn't that what the U.S. (and maybe the world) is suppose to be about people of all ideals, culture and religions?

Once you embrace the supernatural you embrace superstition and non-sense. From there it can get quite dangerous quite quickly.

HEAR,HEAR!!

So the liberal agenda is hating Lutherans today?
Does that mean you are finished with the Catholics?

I don't hate anyone. That is the Church's job.

Read the article?

"I preach love, you stupid twat"

what a statement. lol.

EXACTLY! What kind of image is the church presenting if they they discriminate, this is not loving everyone. Reminds me of the controversial statement made. that being gay was a "Gift from god"

That was an Episcopalian priest that said that. I, myself, am Episcopalian and I know that it is way more lenient than any other denomination. It was one of, if not the, first, denomination to ordain women and homosexuals. We pray for churches like this.

Funny that you mention corporations and churchs in the same reply. If you disect them both you will be amazed by how many ways they are the same creature. The main difference is that one tries to avoid paying taxes and the other is exempt.