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Stimulus compromise cuts education spending

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**Sen. Ben Nelson, a Nebraska Democrat involved in the compromise negotiations with Republicans Susan Collins of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, posted a breakdown on his Web site showing that the compromise cuts all $16 billion from the original bill for K-12 school construction, trims more than $1 billion from Head Start programs for youngsters and cuts $40 billion from a $79 billion proposal to help states pay education costs while trying to balance their own budgets.

Some $3.5 billion would be cut for work on higher education facilities as well.
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48 comments // Stimulus compromise cuts education spending

  • stopnoise
  • hammywill
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      hammywill  
    • "Stimulus compromise cuts education spending"

      This headline is a misnomer. The stimulus bill is not an omnibus Bill and does not address any current levels of spending on education. To say that the stimulus compromise cuts education spending implies that there will be a reduction in current spending, which is not the case.

    • 3 years ago
  • chris50
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      chris50  
    • Have you talked to our children that just came out of high school? It is scary. They are about the dumbest kids I have seen in years. So yeah lets cut funding for schools. The plan to have stupid adults in the future is working very well. Neo-cons do not want to have educated children. Just sit at home and play your video games. Please put the book down, you may learn to read and spell properly. Then you will find out what is really happening and get up off your fat asses and do something about this hole we are digging for you before we cover you up with it. Your parents are right not to check to see if you did your homework. Your parents are right not to expect for you to be able to read on a 9th grade level when you graduate from high school. So we here in the government will support them by cutting funding from school, so you do not have to take home those heavy school books in order for you to learn properly. Ignorance is surly the best policy.

    • 3 years ago
  • sarahuwg
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      sarahuwg  
    • I am getting really pissed hearing people say Education should not be part of the economic stimulus. I am a teacher and because of budget cuts in my state I am being laid off for next school year. Many teachers are being fired because of this. Wouldn't that affect the economy?? Give me a break!

    • 3 years ago
  • elementaljim
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      elementaljim  
    • also in the picture at the top, Joe Lieberman..
      If you see a bill or read a report that suggests Lieberman has anything to do with it, you better take closer look.
      He is absolutely the poster boy for for what's wrong with our government and his presence just reinforces the argument for term limits. He has got to be one of the most delusional reps on the hill.

      Common sense takes a backseat when these pinheads don't understand the basic idea that the purpose of a stimulus/recovery action is to spend/inject money into the economy, not cut taxes.

      http://opinionsandreasons.blogspot.com/

    • 3 years ago
  • liveBK
  • dariusvons
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      dariusvons  
    • because we all know that we spend way too much money on education... I mean think of all the bombs we could buy if ony we didn't have to pay all these teachers!

    • 3 years ago
  • Giganticus
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      Giganticus  
    • dariusvons:

      Maybe when there have been enough bombs dropped that no one is left alive with the knowledge necessary to make them, enough of them will have been dropped on all the war mongering tax cutters that we'll finally have our way. Poetic justice is really the only kind.

    • 3 years ago
  • Giganticus
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      Giganticus  
    • Great. Probably one of the most important things we could spend money on to benefit the economy and not to mention just about everything else. Unless I'm wrong. It seems to me that we are better off with an educated populace because, to put it in a question, is it better to have a bunch of people running around who allow their elected officials and outside influences to run the country into the ground or is it better to have a bunch of better educated people voting and making decisions? I have to think that the latter would be better. Theoretically we would collectively vote in better people (or force the "bad people" to get with it and do our will) and that could slow down the special interests hopefully. Then, you'd have better educated, more capable people contributing to the economy and to the country and world. How can education not be an integral part of fixing any problem that is thought to be fixable? Or is it ideological? Is it excluded or diminished because of the irrational socialism stigma? Again the question from before and again the same answer. I have to think that if you want your capitalist economy to thrive then you need people that can contribute. Sounds like an ingredient for a robust and dynamic economy to me. Working on all of the advancements we are going to need to keep living on this planet (for one example) and generating dollars. Like I said, maybe I'm not seeing it all and I'm wrong but if I'm right then we have to do this at some point or we are not going into the future the way I am under the impression we want to.

    • 3 years ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Why are we compromising with Republicans!?

      Don't we HAVE our own administration now? Why do we have to act like we still have to listen to these fucking criminals?

      I'm so sick of this shit, give Republicans the fucking finger you cowards! Stop making deals!

    • 3 years ago
  • ocanada
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      ocanada  
    • Forty two percent of this bill has a negative stimulative affect, tax cuts only represent a sixty cent on the dollar investment or a forty percent loss during normal economic activity now because of the worsening situation likely even less will make it into the econemy. Also the republicans loaded it with un deserved corporate tax cuts.

      When I see the smug looks on the Senators from Maine I actualy feel compelled to violence. I realy hate the world some times. They call the Senate the most deliberative body on earth, I call it the cesspool where actual debate dies and is replaced with political oportunism. The famous friendship in the Senate looks more to me like the respect thieves give to eachother. Did a conviceted felon in the form of Ted Stevens deserve a standing ovation? Its no small wonder that Roland Buriss can feel at home there, because this is simply Chicago transplanted to Washington.

    • 3 years ago
  • insanejain
  • wierdobeardo
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      wierdobeardo  
    • Yeah, thanks for not spending our tax payer money on something stupid and pointless like education.

      Why are there even republicans? Is the senate playing good cop bad cop or something?

    • 3 years ago
  • Giganticus
  • TheColorYellow
  • Giganticus
  • iMind
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      iMind  
    • Actually you are all just getting you panties in a wad for no reason. On Jan 26th the bill had ~60 billion set aside for education. On Feb 4th it was increased to 125 billion. That doesn't sound much like a cut to me.

    • 3 years ago
  • omordn
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      omordn  
    • There is nothing better than to see typical politicians at work. Yeah... take the tax payers money and then nail them in the ass by not funding their education. That makes A LOT of sense.

    • 3 years ago
  • WhiteNoise
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      WhiteNoise  
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    • So what else is new ?

      WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY & IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

      Ignorance is the downfall of all cultures and we are about to hit bottom.

      If you are not angered, indeed enraged, by the current state of the United States, then you have not been paying attention, or you just do not care enough about the future your children will inherit, and have to live in. If you are not alarmed at where, at present, this course is invariably taking us, then you have abandoned the responsibilities of an informed citizen, preferring the comfortable warmth of ignorance to the absolute frigidity of a most ominous reality.

      Can you see, if not blinded by tele-trash and infotainment, by the propaganda we call news, by the lies and deceit and censorship of the corporate media, by the comforting glow of television, by the charade that is American democracy and by the myriad distractions of bread and circus, the approaching finality of American liberty and freedom, soon to be replaced by Big Brother, a surveillance society, a police state and full-fledged corporatism?

      Can you sense the growing momentum of militarism and imperialism rampaging across the nation, and the globe, leaving nothing but hatred and animosity in its wake? Can you sense that imperialism and empire abroad and freedom and democracy at home are mutually exclusive, that to attain the former the latter must be sacrificed, and that inevitably the people must, for imperialism to function, be immersed in tyranny? Do you realize that we are one major shock, one major event away from catapulting our lives into the headwaters of an altogether different America? - Manuel Valenzuela

      It was true of TV as it is about Internet...

      "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires and lights in a box. There is a great and perhaps decisive battle to be fought against ignorance, intolerance and indifference." - Edward R. Murrow, 1958

    • 3 years ago
  • EdCG
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      EdCG  
    • Hmmm, 'dem republicans is pretty smart. Let's cut out funding for education. I'd say that's real intelligent. Who needs new schools anyway?

    • 3 years ago
  • victimofcoal
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      victimofcoal  
    • TAX cuts are NOT economic stimulus! The Republican party and their uneducated supporters are no more than obstructionists in a nation trying to restore it's standing in the world. If you are one who tells your kids teachers NOT to send homework with their kids, SHUT-UP and leave intelligent thought to those who are educated. Maybe, just maybe , we will spark some interest in your child that will insure he/she is not on welfare or working for McDonalds. 95% of top economists tell you tax cuts do nothing for stimulating an econ. What good is a corporate tax cut to the unemployed?

    • 3 years ago
  • iMind
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      iMind  
    • Really, I don't see why this is a big problem for the Stimulus package. Education is a separate issue. We are looking at a package that will be beneficial to the economy. That means needing to support companies and areas of the economy that will viable to the future of this country. Yes, education does need a boost but an economic stimulus bill is not the place to do it

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • Giganticus
  • drewsuf721
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      drewsuf721  
    • Well that makes me hold off on the idea of kids for a while. I am hoping this results in an education bill singularly, sometime when we got Teddy and Franken coming to give a hand in this tug o' war. Shameful to see my senator (Collins) proud of cutting the education out.

      So, if we are going to discuss education later. Why not revolutionize it with a large focus on online learning? We have the technology...

    • 3 years ago
  • tbYEP
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      tbYEP  
    • Government programs just don't work. The goal of any "NEED BASED" program should be to make itself obsolete. But there is no incentive to.. otherwise you would be unemployed. So they just grow bigger.. proving that they are needed even more.. which may or may not be true. Government should try to incentivize need based programs so that the group that actually makes themselves obsolete gets a huge bonus.

    • 3 years ago
  • neocongo
  • Giganticus
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      Giganticus  
    • tbYEP:

      Then just think of it like this. Once every last person is educated then we can go ahead and quit and all get bonuses. But if we want to get there soon then we'd better put some money into it. There, does that satisfy the logic of your position?

    • 3 years ago
  • Presort1
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      Presort1  
    • Public schools are little more than a baby sitting service.
      Most could/should be cut to half days, they are not teaching the right things. Many Students become bored and are left behind with few alternatives.

    • 3 years ago
  • timwilsonca
  • elemenohp
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      elemenohp  
    • Presort1:

      i'm sorry - but I think you have been misinformed. teachers ARE teaching the right thing - it's because of laws like THIS that deprive students of early childhood education from 0-3, thus making them behind when they enter school in kindergarten and setting them up for failure. The school day is filled with lots of things (PSSA prep work, curriculum, the arts, lunch, recess) cutting it to a half of a day would mean even less would be accomplished.

    • 3 years ago
  • Ragan
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      Ragan  
    • Why not cut it all and give those bastards a big raise, the hell with we poor slobs. After all they are better than us. It seems that when people become politicians they immediately become better than we lesser humans. I listen to these wall street bums justify the big wages and bonuses they give them selves, while robbing the employees. If all humans are created equal, what quality does gold and wealth bestow on them to make them better than us? I have even thought that professional people are better and more deserving than us, but when it comes to CEO's they are nothing more than paper pushers and beggars just like mega churches. I have been receiving applications from credit card companies and insurance compaiies and banks begging me to sign up and contribute my money for their cause and so it is , to me it is just high pressure or high quality begging, so these rich people became rich spreading propaganda as Rush Limbaigh or just begging like all of those CEOS who have robbed their employees and the companies. America is in such bad shape because our manfacturing base has been exported overseas, The only jobs left here are MacDonalds and lending the wealth you already have to the poor slobs who have equity in a home or a car so that when they fall behind in payments the finance companies can reposess. An honest and humanitarian occupation. We Americans have become a trash can for the world and we have ourselves to blame not the foreigners. And the wealthy American have put us there because we didnt care enough to check those people we electedf into office to serve us. We are what we deserve to be. We are stuck with the same pot of corruption we have had all of these years and we will continue to suffer and complain.

    • 3 years ago
  • cybexg
  • victimofcoal
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      victimofcoal  
    • cybexg:

      No , David Vitter represents Republican values. Does he take his prostitute to the Sen. Family Values Committee hearings? Seems to me Elliot Spitzer was ruined for involvment with hookers but that does not apply to conservative whoremongers. They are above their own ideology. Do as we say not as we do so to speak.

    • 3 years ago
  • neocongo
  • unimatrix0
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      unimatrix0  
    • Wow that sucks big time. Education is always underfunded. Teachers should make more money and there should be more of them. Investing in education is investing in our future - how can any one oppose funding education?

    • 3 years ago
  • timwilsonca
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      timwilsonca  
    • California has completely stopped funding construction projects. My son has been laid off. He worked for a contractor that primarily built public school buildings.

      Until they can restore the cash flow, he's out of work. I don't understand how anyone can say that funding school construction is not an economic stimulus.

    • 3 years ago
  • jahbini
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      jahbini  
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    • Well, we really need to boost education, but "head start" has never actually worked in the entire existence of the program. It sounds good, but it just does not help, and acknowledging that will help us move ahead better.

      Sorry, I very seldom make such blanket statements, and I would not do so unless I had some data to support me.

      Direct Instruction is one of the ONLY programs that has real data to show how effective it is. Yes, I know, it has that ugly word 'direct' in it, but it works for bright and slow, and well, just works.

    • 3 years ago
  • bluestranger
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      bluestranger  
    • Amazing that when the warring political parties finally compromise, it's our future that takes a hit. After eight years of neglect maybe they "thought" putting the non-voters off a while longer is no biggie.

    • 3 years ago
  • current89
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      current89  
    • It's inconsequential, this isn't part of the annual budget that congress has to create. and once Al Franken is seated I'm sure it will be a lot easier to pass bills with out having to make concessions.

    • 3 years ago
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • There is time too show America how out of touch these repugnants are with how we got to where we are because of tax cuts. Back when Ike was president the tax rate was 91% for anything earned over 3 million a year and we all prospered. As I remember 1 adult had too work we owned a fairly new car we were buying a home and medical care was affordable nobody needed insurance on healthcare because it was for not profit. The sooner this financial meltdown happens the sooner we can see the piggy's for who they are. Keep watching America and try not to kill each other over food the real culprits are the rich pigs who have taken a lot more than their share.

    • 3 years ago
  • asherp
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      asherp  
    • Yeah, because to get out of the recession and fix our economy, we need to make sure that we have LESS funding for education. That makes sense.

    • 3 years ago
  • nickscheisse
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      nickscheisse  
    • Hopefully there will be a seperate education bill?

      Hmmmm, I can see how this might upset some people. Education is a major issue, especially in the wake of "no-child left behind" and the dominance of teaching the test, but this is an economic stimulus plan with a design for immediate action. Investing in our schools is necessary but the results are long run. Focus the bill on infrastructure and job creation. Let states deal with the schools for the time being.

    • 3 years ago
  • blue_blooded
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      blue_blooded  
    • nickscheisse:

      i agree, if i can see cuts in other programs too.I don't want to see this bill filled with pork while our education system gets screwed from behind!
      in times like this it makes great sense to invest in a system that touches nearly every family in the country! but there's no profit in education.

    • 3 years ago
  • tbowman131
  • ocanada
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      ocanada  
    • nickscheisse:

      But it creates jobs damn it! That is the point of this bill spending that might seem wastefull otherwise. This would have had a stimulative action becasue it made for jobs that couldn't be outsourced and would have freed up disposable income for families who were worried about college costs. Does a fucking tac cut have a simmilar affect...NO!

    • 3 years ago
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