Ecstasy 'no more dangerous than horse riding'

Wouldn't it make sence to regulate it such as alcohol is regulated? Drug dealers don't care how old you are...Clerks have to by law. If it was made legal, it would be cleaner (not cut with so many other dangerous mixes of chemicals) and available to those who can handle it responsibly while making it a little more difficult for those who are not yet at the age of adult consent.

I've taken ecstasy countless times. I also earned a 4.0 gpa in high school, which was when most of said drug was consumed. I really hate the generalization that people who consume drugs have fried their brains.

This is your brain, this is your brain on drugs.... this is your brain on propaganda.

thank you i wasnt aware of all that thanks a lot for that link i clearly dont know anything about the subject and i needed that research time it was crucial. thanks again i really appreciate it

The medical side effects of MDMA are much more tolerable then many prescription drugs. I am not saying that it isn't bad for you but I also don't think any bad shit is going to happen to the user other then maybe some Hyperthermia, Dehydration and maybe some Serotonin syndrome although the jury is still out on this one.

"result of drug abuse"

You said abuse. ANYTHING has negative consequences when abused. Recreational use (not abuse) is not as bad as you so passionately seem to think. And I agree with birdy22 the jury is still very much out.

You have a good point, this is why I haven't "played" like that for quite a while now. Not all situations or people are safe to experience these powerful substances, especially considering the legal implications if you get caught.

I love your island idea, I would definitely pay for such an experience. Knowing you're safe would make it much more enjoyable. Bad trips can be more damaging than the health effects, especially on hallucinogenics and/or e.

What ever propaganda you read told you about the chemical composition is completely wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MDMA.svg - MDMA

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Methamphetamine-2D-skel... - Meth

Regardless if you have taken any chem classes you would know that an extra bond or an extra molecule can change a chemical completely. Think about it. Oxygen turns into water with the addition of hydrogen. try breathing water.... maybe out forums would be cleaner.

simplecj is copying and pasting comments.

So? I thought it was appropriate...

you dont know what your talking about. 99.9999999999% of the time, deaths off ecstasy occur because of other street drugs mixed in with them or because the user is acting dumb and drinking too much or too little water. i suggest everyone tries ecstasy once in their lifebut only if you can get pure MDMA not some street pills because MDMA is hard to overdose on.

I liked that quote. thank you!

Ok. I see what you're saying, in that there ARE benefits to MDMA, but I can only agree that it is appropriate in the most extreme cases (ex. treating severe depression, studying criminal psychology, etc.) but I do not think it should be treated as a class B drug. If it became used in medical environments, it would have to be HIGHLY controlled.

I have not taken it for recreational purposes - though I have thought about it - but I don't think people should treat it the same as marijuana.

I agree, cannabis is a much safer, much more mellow substance. Ecstasy is up there with hallucinogenics, but is a bit better in the sense that it usually keeps you thinking positive. Over all, they have all been exaggerated as to how dangerous they are. E is only really dangerous if the user is allowed to take high doses multiple times. I quit eating it when a one or two pills had little effect due to my building a tolerance to it. Most I ever ate was three pill, but I knew several of the regular raver kids where eating up to 15 pills, not just on the weekend but sometime high doses like that during the week in addition to the friday and/or saturday night raves. That's just stupid and an example of why people say it's dangerous. At doses that high and that frequent there's no doubt in my mind that damage is being done.

Education and regulation, rather than just banning it and saying it's bad, would go a long ways to help ensure that those who do use it, do so as safety as possible. Prohibition hasn't stopped anyone from trying it, I'm proof of that!

Cannabis should be legalized completely, e would probably be better put under strict regulation, like you said, for therapeutic use by qualified doctors and other therapists.

Wow petarro, I'm beginning to think you're a troll! You pop in on these articles and make snide and clearly biased comments, then you don't respond to people who comment back to you.

If you don't like these type of articles then really, don't read them. You obviously don't have an open-mind when it comes to drug law reform and fail to see the damage that is caused by our flawed policy.

Stop being a troll and add something constructive or don't comment at all. Your cynical and somewhat insulting comments just make you look like an ass.

You are the stupid one if you think drug legalization is just about drug addicts who want to get high.

If you don't know anything about the substances other than what you've read, then you really should but out. It's your kind of ignorance that has given us such messed up laws.

yeah, well you don't have a neck.

one pill can kill you? how far up your ass did you have to reach to for that nugget?

one Pill of MDMA has never in the history of the drug ever killed anyone.

Really, you have researched every single MMDA death? I seriously doubt it. So go pick your glow sticks up, put your pacifier back in your mouth and go back to your rave.

Its not the pills that kill people it is when they drink too much water. That is generally what the deaths are caused from.

People are still going to do it no matter the classification so wouldn't it be better to say if you are going to do it this is the safest way?

If you make it legal, do you really think more people are not going to do it? Seriously look at alcohol and the number of deaths every year. The problem with drugs of any kind is that once you take them you do not think rationally anymore. Besides let say they legalize them and make the legal age 21 like drinking. Then it becomes a teenage x problem etc.. There is zero upside to making this legal other than the tax revenues that could be raised from it.

They are not talking about legalizing it here.
They are saying that it is not dangerous enough to be a class A drug up there with crack and heroin.
They are talking about to a B drug which fits in with how dangerous it is and means that some one caught with ecstacy on them won't be in as much trouble as some one with crack or heroin.

Even if it is illegal it doesn't mean we still can't tell people to be careful how much they drink if they choose to do it.

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you wouldn't have by chance got your info from research done on animals? I'm just saying. You would therefor think the research is flawed, right?

As for the ecstasy issue, I have never done it. I was just reading the article and then saw you posted something...

Scientists have actually dis-proven the above brain scan as it pertains to amphetamine use and not MDMA. They have reached the conclusion that the government used the data for amphetamine use for MDMA use, so it would scare people. Look it up.

I got you. It is chemically related, but the effects/effects on brain are pretty different. It is also not a total synthetic like other amphetamines. MDMA floods the brain with serotonin while amphetamines flood the brain with dopamine.

In other news, papers were filed by Professor David Nutt to legally change his name to David Really-I-Am-Pretty-Normal.

"it is very intense and can be dangerous for users that are not educated in how it should be used or the indicators of abuse." Isn't that even more of a reason to legalize it and regulate it. If you want people using the drug to be educated about it then make it legal and put a huge warning label on the side expressing the dangers. Example, does anyone here not know that cigarettes cause cancer.

The amount of deaths directly related to MDMA are minimal compared to legal substances such as alcohol and tobacco and ER visits due to MDMA are lower then visits due to Xanax, Anti-depressants, Oxy, Paxil, and even aspirin.

It is also noted in just about every study that the increase in deaths related to MDMA are linked to users who are uneducated about the drug which would be solved if the drug was legal. They could implement a warning system or even a drug awareness test before you are allowed to purchase similar to owning a gun.

I agree with both of you. Education is ultimately the best path with just about anything. If people are aware of what they are doing then there is certainly no reason for anyone to expect there to be any issue that wasn't warranted through personal choice. If someone wants to scale a mountain without the appropriate gear, that is their choice and that seems like there is far greater danger involved.

Do you see people out in the streets shooting each with automatic weapons about who gets to sell alcohol in your neighborhood? Seen any Al Capons doing drive bys over alcohol?

Legalizing drugs will make the drug dealers mostly go away. If you know anything about prohibition, then you also know that it doesn't work... which is why alcohol is legal now, too.

It is COPS a.k.a. POLICE who are saying that!!!

Watch this short video of COPS talking about it. You will understand why I posted that link.

http://leap.cc/Multimedia/LEAPpromo.php

Obviously you have no clue about why COPS want to legalize drugs. It's not because they want everyone smoking crack, it's because they want drug sales to be controlled like alcohol. If you didn't notice, most drug dealers don't card the school children they sell their crack to!

There are plenty of people who aren't "druggies" who support the decriminalization of drugs.

Anyone who is informed knows that the war on drugs isn't working, and has become more about benefiting those who profit financially from the 'war' and an excuse to arrest dissidents than anything else. Marijuana/Hemp should be legal because it is harmless and has many beneficial uses. It also would free up space in prisons for violent criminals instead of so many people who don't deserve to be there. Pot should be legal because it is not up to the government to decide what adults do on their free time as long as they aren't causing harm to anybody.

The founding fathers (many of whom grew hemp) would be appalled by the fact that it is illegal in America.

People who are not informed, fall victim to the lies and propaganda and remain ignorant. The scourge of any society lies in the ignorance of the masses, so it saddens me when someone makes statements that indicates they can't think for themselves.

yeah my ex girlfriend liked it anally and orally too, haha

Where to start. Equestrianism is actually pretty harsh on your body, even if you do it "right." Any sort of repetitive strain on your body will do damage over time. Plus, the rider has a fair amount of control over the horse, and I'd bet that most injuries are the result of rider error as opposed to horses just going crazy. These kids who "desperately want to get fucked up" would get fucked up on anything, be it drugs, violent behavior, whatever it is that gives them their kicks. Drugs don't cause kids to do this, they are just the outlets.

"If you mess up your spinal fluid because you've taken ecstasy..."

haha.....WHAT?!?!?!

Lighten up. Drugs and Horseriding are both ancient hobbies that mankind have grown up with.

They're both unnecessary and potentially dangerous and open to abuse, but with a healthy attitude pretty fun too.

Ya, um E is like amphetamines, they don't enter your spinal column and their out of your system completely within 3 days.

I personally have had some amazing and life changing experiences on E. I think it could be very useful in therapy for anyone from troubled couples to violent criminals. I've watched a hardened gang-banger turn into a kid on E and I honestly believe that he came out of it with a new perspective on life and hope that he changed his ways.

It's a shame we don't have more sensible drug policy that chooses to regulate substances so that we can realize their positive uses as well as the negative ones, instead of simply banning a substance and leaving it's complete control of criminal organizations who don't care how it's used.

We need a new drug policy!! One that treats drug use as a public health issue and not a criminal issue.

found ave - why such a debbi downer? lighten up.

I'm a Debbie Downer because I taught high school for ONE YEAR, and had students literally pass out in my classroom from a sleepless night of chemical drug use. I've seen students attempt suicide while under the influence, and I had one student arrested for shooting someone when he was high on pills. This kid was 16, and sweet as hell, and I saw his life vanish in front of his eyes. I had a girl who was a senior, and brilliant, come to me in tears because she had unprotected sex on E two weeks prior, and now suspected she was pregnant.

Weed, occasional shrooms in a safe situation, a drink here and there? Go ahead teens - keep your wits about you, and that stuff its not going to kill you. But when those kids turn to manufactured chemicals for their experimentation, it crosses a safety line, because they aren't prepared to handle the experience.

If you don't think ecstasy is bad for you, good. Go take it. Have a blast. But know that I am in my 30's, and every friend I have who tried E in their teenage years now regrets it, thinks it was a very stupid and risky decision.

"it's all about the risks involved, and the risks people are willing to take for themselves." - absolutely right!

MDMA is natural actually. street pills with meth and all that shit are not because meth is made with household cleaners and whatnot and MDMA can be extracted from numberous plants and roots.

ps. DMT a very powerful psychedelic that is very illegal is naturally produced in your brain and is in all grasses so there you go

Alot of the danger involved with ecstasy comes from the impurity of the drug and the unpredictablity of the amount of mdma contained in any given dose. Anyone can go to ecstasydata.org and get and idea of how impure alot of the ecstasy being sold is. This is one drug that could be made alot safer if made legal.