Farmers might pay for bovine gas emissions

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The cow tax is a possible consequence of an Environmental Protection Agency report following the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2008 that greenhouse gases from motor vehicles amount to air pollution, the American Farm Bureau Federation said.
[Editor's Note: There's more on the story at the link: http://tinyurl.com/64jca4]
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nursediesel
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There are students at a college or Univ. doing research on this at this time. Boy we could use that technology to heat older peoples homes, their energy costs would decrease. (You know those old jokes about old farts)
Seriously tho' digestive systems change with age and techniquely older people get "gas' more often and even may avoid cruciferous foods because of it.
The pix reminds me of college day parties...aaaahhh. - 3 years ago
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nursediesel
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toreyray
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World Largest Cow (NSF VEGETARIANS)
- 3 years ago
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toreyray
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Ricky84
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Wow I swear I see this exact same story pop up on current at least once a month.
That being said this is a ridiculous issue for several reasons. First off cows are not coal fire electric plants. Their “emissions” have always been a part of the natural cycle and the only way this natural process could become a problem is when humans decide their energy demands trump food requirements.
As Slovelett remarked we should be harnessing methane from cows instead of taxing farmers. The benefits of such a tax would never mitigate the effects of the problem in itself. While on the other hand if the government provided incentives for farmers to utilize anaerobic digesters we would not only see a greater reduction of methane into the environment, the other ecological issues concerning manure would also managed.
For those who haven’t heard, anaerobic digestion is the process of taking animal, or human manure, fermenting it, stripping the methane from it and then burning the methane in an electric generator. The only byproduct of this process, besides a cleaner burning source of electricity that is, is organic fertilizer.
So why do people celebrate a cow tax that would drive up the price of meat, which would have a greater impact on the poor, when we could strengthen the farming sector (and possibly reduce the “necessity” for farm based subsides)?
Check out http://www.mnproject.org/e-haubenschildfarm.html if you want more information on anaerobic digestion.
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Ricky84
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csmonut
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Ricky84:
The problem with cow farts, and I say that with a smile, is what they are being fed.
I read a recent study on how much methane 1 cow can actually put out, and it was rather amazing how much they do.
You're right when you say they are part of the environment, and if they were out on pasture, eating what cows are supposed to eat, grass, there would be a lot less methane.
As for anaerobic digetion, I work at a wastewater plant and happen to know a little something about such things.
One small, rural plant I used to work at, was able to allow the public to take away the dried end result from anaerobic digesters. People put it on their gardens and trees.
The one I work at now can't because it has industrial waste in it. - 3 years ago
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csmonut
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mario_a
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@Maggiekortchmar -- great story, and congrats for being featured in the UK!
I hope you don't mind, but your headline was getting cut off in the featured module, so I shortened it slightly.
Here is your original:
"Farmers may wind up paying for gas produced by their cows"
I went with "bovine," but could easily stick with "cow." Let me know if you have questions!
thanks!
mario - 3 years ago
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WakeUpPeople
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Maybe we should all be taxed every time we let one, and that money can fund research in "clean cow" technology.
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WakeUpPeople
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slovelett
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I don't think is is something that is actually being proposed (or even considered beyond a few suggestions).
From the linked article:
"... John Millett, a spokesman for EPA's air and radiation division, said there has been an oversimplification of the EPA's document 'to the point of distortion.'
'EPA is not proposing any type of tax on livestock,' he said.
The EPA briefly mentions 'raising livestock' in its report on ways to regulate greehnouse gases under the provisions of the Clean Air Act. Paul Schlegel, director of public policy for the American Farm Bureau Federation, said it determined the possible fees that could be imposed by using Agriculture Department statistics on the amount of greenhouse gases that come from livestock and applied it to the EPA's permitting rules."To me, this sounds as though the the farm lobby is making it up (or at least severely stretching the truth).
That said, though I generally favor progressive taxes, this doesn't seem like it would do anything other than make beef more expensive.
A better idea might be to harness the gas and use it to produce energy. Disgusting, yes. But it would probably be good for the environment and could put more money in farmers' pockets. (I think this is actually being done on a small scale on some farms, though I don't know how efficient it is.)
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csmonut
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slovelett:
Ya know...your remark about harvesting the gas brought a real strange picture into my head:)
But you are right, if the methane could be gathered and used, it would help quite a bit.
I heard of a pig farm in Utah that traps the gases, heats parts of the plant with it in the winter, but burns off all excess.
Don't know if that hurts or helps. - 3 years ago
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csmonut
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SHAWN_RITTIMAN
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I like cows that shart fire!
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Nettle
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Sucks for the average farmer. They'll have to kill off extra cattle resulting in a huge market flood of unwanted meat sold at a low price, then meat will be hard to come by and cost the consumer a huge amount.
And just to let ya'll know, most people are omnivores and meat is one the bars represented on the food pyramid you're taught in elementary school. It's natural to eat meat.
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Nettle
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Nettle
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Nettle:
Then would you care to explain why cows and goats continue to produce milk on a daily basis (not just during the infancy of a calf)? It's not like calves are being sacrificed so that humans can have cheese. Dairy products have many nutritional uses, too, so there's a valid reason for drinking milk.
I understand that vegans don't want to eat eggs or wear leather, but everybody drank milk at some point in their lives and no one (or thing) was murdered in the process.
Just for the record, I think the treatment of cows during milking is rather sad. Corporations just don't realize that healthy, happy cows create better milk.
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Nettle
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TReaper405
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Nettle:
@Nettle
Just a little fact about dairy cows is that they will continue to produce milk as long as you milk them regularly. As soon as you stop they dry up.
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TReaper405
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Nettle
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Nettle:
If all baby cows are turned into veal, where do adult cows come from?
@Reaper: Ya, I know. My point was that if there's a never-ending supply, then there's no shortage of milk for baby cows.
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Nettle
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clownpuncher
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This is because all the damn vegetarians want us to be like them...the meat eater has to pay is what this should say. You know the farmer will pass that fee on to the consumer. Friggin environmentalists.
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clownpuncher
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clownpuncher
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clownpuncher:
go get your crayons, sit down and draw your mommy a picture for the fridge.
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clownpuncher
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TReaper405
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clownpuncher:
@animalia_libero
He has a point, I personally have seen more then one vegetarian on here proclaiming we all need to stop eating meat because of this. People need to quit twisting the facts on this topic. Cows are the #2 producer of methane, not of greenhouse gases. Methane only accounts for 4-9% of greenhouse gas emissions overall.
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TReaper405
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PirateSauce
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This is a bullshit tax and global warming is being used against as for Rich people to get richer.. we don't need any more damn taxes.. seriously.. think of all the taxes we pay.
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DouginLA
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My god would you people stop already. Man caused global warming is a myth propagated by self serving idiots like Al Gore. The Earth is a cyclical entity that changes temperatures due to its change in orbit. It happens all of the time and will always happen no matter what creatures roam it.
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DouginLA
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA:
Oh thank god, lets not bother bringing down any kind of emissions then ok? Fuck the air.
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA
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DouginLA:
Seriously fuck the air? What are you 12? Lets focus on the important things to clean up like auto and industrial emissions. You know the things that cause lung cancer. Grow up!
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DouginLA
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA:
Ok, so I guess air and air pollution are two different things?, a little thing I like to call "humor" doug in LA,
Whose 12?
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA
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DouginLA:
Wow if that is humor stick to your day job. Yes there is a very big difference between animal methane and industrial pollutants.
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DouginLA
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA:
doug, doug, doug., You're going to be ok.
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Maggiekortchmar
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DouginLA
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DouginLA:
I agree I will be just fine. Sorry if i was a little snappy earlier I am just really fed up with the whole man made global warming hysteria. I am all for cleaning up the environment, but it should be done without all of the scare tactics and holier than thou B.S. the media dishes out.
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csmonut
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They're already taxing farmers in New Zealand.
As to making farmers/ranchers pay for destruction of land, etc. as dariusvons, (above) suggets, perhaps that is going a bit far.
Supply and demand. No demand, no supply.
if they continue to feed cows, poultry and pork all the crap they are feeding now, and I can no longer get organic meats, I'll become a vegetarian.
One less person putting a demand on the system. - 3 years ago
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csmonut
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dariusvons
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good, they should also have to pay for the land that gets destroyed and the weeds and invasive plants that get spread around by their cows. and they should have to pay for the water pollution caused by these animals too.
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larock
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and a great photo.
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larock
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afishlikeme
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Interesting, but i think the tax should be place on the meat. The consumer should have to pay it, not the farmer. the farmer is responding to demand.
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afishlikeme
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clownpuncher
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afishlikeme:
you dont think we are not paying enough already?
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clownpuncher
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korourke
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afishlikeme:
Don't worry the tax will be directly passed onto the consumer. Do you think farmers are simply going to eat the tax?
If the price increase forces the average consumer to change their dietary habits than so be it. Industrial farming/cow flatulence produce enough methane to make them the #2 contributor to global warming behind the burning of fossil fuels.
We are simply going to have to change our dietary habits sooner or later, and it will probably only happen if forced by higher prices. Meat consumption in this country has increased 5 fold since the 1950s.
As a meat lover myself, this sucks, but I would rather eat less meat and have a planet to live on than the mass chaos that will ensue if global warming is left unchecked. Kudos to the EPA for taking positive steps.
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korourke
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TReaper405
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afishlikeme:
cows produce methane which is only 4-9% of total greenhouse gas emissions. There is no reason for any kind of large scale dietary changes because cows are not the #2 producer of greenhouse gases but the #2 producer of methane, which is further down the chart on total greenhouse gas production.
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TReaper405