Obama commits 17,000 more US troops to Afghanistan

Obama is sending more of our men over there. While he is inviting the supposed victims of Gaza over here? What is he trying to do? If we get an influx of terrorists and all our men are in another country, it will make it that much easier for them to take over. I know that sounds extreme, but what is wrong with Obama? I tried telling people man, his middle name is Hussein for heavens sake. NO RESPECT FOR OBAMA.

Those who still imagine and focus upon these apparent adversarial relationships between "Democrats" and "Republicans" are naive. They have been played and have bought right into the imaginary game. Get this: Republicans/Democrats=Republicrats. Same team. That contest is orchestrated as a dog and pony show to limit the choices to two individuals who will in any case take their marching orders from the exact same overlords. It is two halves of the same team playing an inter squad game. It is the offensive and defensive lines of the same team playing "against" one another to determine which will hold the position of captain for a season or two. Nothing more than a contrived competition with no substantial difference between the two who are vying for temporary leadership and no true change in direction. Another aspect of the "Bread and Circus" of this modern empire. The cycles are pretty well defined now as I noted in my previous post. Those who insist on seeing the RepublicRats oppositional fiasco as anything other than a distraction from the real political condition of the U.S. choose to go along with the fantasy and find themselves in a sad situation of being lied to and lead by the nose no matter who holds the "highest" office. Wake up and see the oppositional posturing of Dem vs Rep as the delusional smokescreen which it is or be lead, shorn and butchered like the sheep you choose to be. Grow up sportsfans, this is no game.

Gee, where was the support for Bush when he went from invasion to incident free elections in five years. I guess there were no Taliban in Iraq. They must have respected the border and stayed next door. I guess it is different when a Dem president commits troops to battle. That must be inherently good whereas a Republican president doing the same thing is inherently bad. Now that the neo-Marxists are running things war, and the money we spend on it will be good
It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. Time will tell. I had one son in Iraq in 03-04. He won't reup. Says he will not serve under Obama. Can't say as I blame him.

Finally, we are focusing our military in a relevant location.

Per the definition of insanity, the one about mindless repetition is a clinical one not one from a dictionary and for that matter it's supported and contained within both dictionary definitions which "current89" cited earlier. The way I see it those who marched U.S. into the war beginning with Bush the Elder in 1991 and his cronies, all of those who followed Bush the Younger including Cheney the Marquis de DC, Rummey, Rice Cakes, and a host of other grotesques are all decidedly deranged, likely schizoid and very much certifiably insane.

As for the second definition, it seems to me that they are most definitely of unsound mind, demonstrably lacking in understanding and very likely if put to the test would prove to be unqualified to assume the positions and relations they rose to and got free reign to perpetrate the evils they did upon the entire world.

The bugger about this is that if truly tested they may be be found to be so far out of their minds that they would have to be exonerated of the crimes against humanity that they committed. Catch 22. Best leave that one alone.

When speaking of the current President he is like those before him forced to do the dance his overlords have marked out in footprints on the ballroom he's walked into and that being the case has little choice but to do their bidding.

Insanity defense notwithstanding this really isn't a case of repeating the same thing over it is actually a very painstakingly thought out plan being followed and carried out "somewhat" less than flawlessly (ask Zbigniew B.) yet carried out nonetheless. As Saddam Hussein would not play ball and could not be counted on to act as a western bulwark against Iran when the push through Afghanistan came to shove he had to be eliminated and replaced with a U.S. puppet who would be able to support a large number of American troops and allow for the exact operations that are beginning in transition from Iraq to Afghanistan right now. Had Saddam not gone off the res the way he did and played ball like he did for the 8 year war with Iran, he would most certainly still be very much in place and the U.S. would be well into it's war in Afghanistan having launched it with his full cooperation from Iraq. Quite likely had this path of the overarching plan played out the war with Iran may have been in full swing by now. As it is today this is just a few years delay. Bush did exactly what he was placed there to do. Obama is following in lock step where this and some other matters are concerned though he has the usual amount of leeway American Presidents get.

If a major strike doesn't happen soon on American soil and President Obama gets to serve out his first term and, God willing even a second, he may well revive the flailing economy and build up a healthy surplus just like Bill on the Hill did which enabled Bush the Younger to have a ton of money to blow on a big adventure. So if a long term scenario plays out without a major strike on U.S. soil, in four to eight years there will be a very healthy surplus which the next one in the line of Bush's can blow on the intended war with Iran and then the End Game can begin. In either case it's all by design. Who's design one see's in it is a matter of ones affiliation.

As I tried to make clear in my earlier post, this will end catastrophically for Afghanistan, the region, the U.S.A., and ultimately the entire world. Those who are so gung-ho for these wars should drop everything and sign up and go ASAP. The sooner the haters and warmongers rush to their end the sooner the human gene pool will be cleansed of these vile and bloodthirsty tendencies. Enjoy Armageddon.

I hope we're doing the right thing. Even if we do kill or capture Osama, couldn't someone else just take his place? Besides doesn't sending more troops to Afghanistan give the insurgency another recruiting tool?

don't ever let anyone you know join the military.

their different things,

but a non-interventionist foreign policy is what we need

**sits and waits to watch him crash and burn**

I still say it--Afghanistan is where empires go to die.

These are not the responses I expected!
Are you people NUTS or NEOCONS?

WhiteNoise hit the nail on the head...
"The universally accepted definition of INSANITY is to persist in the same behavior but expecting a different outcome."

The public outcry that unfolded into Obama's election was Stop the Fukn Wars!
This is another US occupation that has to stop. Leave Iraq and Afghanistan NOW you meatheads!

NATO has troops from 20 plus countries in Afghanistan. We need to get out NOW and let them take the lead. Too many lives lost and damn near ruined our economy funding illegal occupations that only feeds the Military Industrial Complex.

Wake the fuk up people!

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How many American soldiers/ foreign civilians died unnecessarily because of the lack of focus on Afghanistan, where we should have been focusing in the first place? Something is finally being done about it. This is very good news.

This is the same sort of surge that worked in Iraq. We are done there. Where is Pelosi/Reid on this? Are they threatening to cut off all funding again this time? Because Obama is doing the same thing Bush did you should be saying, "Damn, Bush was right!". At first I thought I hit a Fox News blog by mistake. But after reading further I realize that all of you educated peaceniks and liberals who are supporting this don't care about truth and giving credit where it is due. All you want is POWER. Political power in the hands of your boy is the goal, damn the means or the actions taken. Hypocrits? No. Evil? Yep.

Having been educated by Zbigniew Brzezinski and being firmly rooted in the movement of such benevolent organizations as the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations long term design for complete, hegemonic world domination, President Barak Obama is moving things forward exactly as intended to nail down the wall around Russia and the Middle Zone. Iran and Afghanistan remain as the only territories left to seize and this is what the U.S. policies are aimed at accomplishing. Once control of the Middle Zone is achieved then the end game will be initiated. The old proverb in regard to Afghanistan however, still looms prophetic in this endeavor which warns: "Afghanistan is the place where empires come to die". Obama and his overlords ignore this and place the entire world in peril.

Supporting peace in Afghanistan while decrying an unjust war in Iraq is not hypocritical. The war in Afghanistan was justified and has been irresponsibly ignored in favor of our war of aggression.

However, more soldiers aren't the solution. I may agree that current troop levels could be too small, but what is really needed is funding in the country to get their economy going and eliminate the influence of the Taliban. I'm surprised we haven't learned from Vietnam and Afghanistan #1 - what we need to be doing is supporting the Afghans economically as well as militarily. More troops aren't going to end the war, but they need to be the structure that supports our economic aid.

Not being a hypocrite Jan . But if they are going, there is nothing none of us can do., except wish them to come home safe and to wish them luck . I do not like war , But its not up to me as to who joins and who stays home. my son served I did not want him to. But I can not lead his life for him . He has to live his own and hope like hell he made good choices along the way. He has problems dealing now. so I am not a hypocrite at all

As much as I oppose war, Afghanistan cannot be abandoned. Before we invaded Iraq so hastily, and decreased troops levels in Afghanistan, progress was being made. Additionally, we can't abandon our allies to the slaughter, we've done that too much too often. We've done that in Iraq (with the Kurds), in Cuba , and in Vietnam, just to name a few.

I pose a question to the naysayers of this conflict. What do you think will happen to the women who expressed their freedom, or the Afghans who sided with us during the invasion? Contemplate it. We involved ourselves based on irrational decisions. So, is it any better for us to withdraw based on an irrational, emotional reaction?

FYI: My cousin was deployed to Iraq(Marine Corp) and he agrees we shouldn't be there, however he does believe we should stick with it in Afghanistan.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get those turban heads —
The only good Tali is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

Senior Military Officers Probed for Corruption in Iraq

The New York Times reports federal authorities are now investigating senior US military officers on corruption charges connected to the $125 billion US-led reconstruction effort in Iraq. Last month, investigators subpoenaed the personal bank records of retired Army Colonel Anthony Bell, who was in charge of reconstruction contracting in Iraq in 2003 and 2004. In addition, investigators are examining the activities of Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Ronald Hirtle, who was a senior contracting officer in Baghdad in 2004. It is unclear how much reconstruction money went missing, but The Independent of London reports it could turn out to be the greatest fraud in US history, a bigger theft than Bernard Madoff’s $50 billion Ponzi scheme.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanistan;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Huh!

Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They don’t drop it on one of our own.

"Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of 'emergency'. It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And 'emergency' became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.": Herbert Hoover - (1874-1964), 31st US President

Civilian Deaths in Afghanistan Soared in 2008

The United Nations has announced the number of civilians killed in Afghanistan last year jumped by nearly 40 percent as the violence in the country soared to its worst levels since 2001. There were over 2,100 reported civilian deaths. The UN said militants were to blame for 55 percent of the deaths, while US-led forces were responsible for nearly 40 percent. Meanwhile, 3,000 more US troops have arrived in Afghanistan, marking the first wave of an expected surge of US forces as part of President Obama’s plan to escalate the war in Afghanistan.

The injury we do and the one we suffer are not weighed in the same scales: Aesop, Fables

How many cheering this were against the war in Iraq? Hypocrites every one of you.

hope and change?
i guess ill just hoping for more change
cause this is not the kind of change i want to see

Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box !

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Afghanistan
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanistan;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Afghanistan.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Afghanistan.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

"I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die" -Country Joe

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Having 1 son thinking about enlisting and another who can enlist in about 2 years, the entire prospect of this war growing scares the shit out of me!

Good luck Ladies and Gents . I hope you come through this war winning . I hope you come home safe. May god be with you all .

Things seem to be headed in the right direction. Although sending 17,000 troops to Afghanistan is going to help efforts there, more troops are still needed. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done on that front.

good, lets finish this clusterfuck asap so we can get out

this is great news

today, almost 50 troops arrived from other bases and it is already a relief that we have more people.

The more we have the better we can keep the peace thus lowering the chances of soldiers dieing.

The universally accepted definition of INSANITY is to persist in the same behavior but expecting a different outcome.

”The civilized have created the wretched, quite coldly and deliberately, and do not intend to change the status quo; are responsible for their slaughter and enslavement; rain down bombs on defenseless children whenever and wherever they decide that their "vital interests" are menaced, and think nothing of torturing a man to death: these people are not to be taken seriously when they speak of the "sanctity" of human life, or the "conscience" of the civilized world” - James Baldwin

Meanwhile...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PTO4BmG4zA&feature=channel_page

"The age of warrior kings and of warrior presidents has passed. The nuclear age calls for a different kind of leadership....a leadership of intellect, judgment, tolerance and rationality, a leadership committed to human values, to world peace, and to the improvement of the human condition. The attributes upon which we must draw are the human attributes of compassion and common sense, of intellect and creative imagination, and of empathy and understanding between cultures." - William Fulbright

CITIZENS 2.0 : PLAYERS NOT CHEERLEADERS !

STOP JUDGING POLITICIANS ON WHAT THEY SAY BUT ON WHAT THEY DO !

"The essence of oligarchical rule is not father-to-son inheritance, but the persistence of a certain world-view and a certain way of life ... A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors... Who wields power is not important, provided that the hierarchical structure remains always the same.": George Orwell, 1984

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY & IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

It's about time! 17,000 is a start, but nowhere near enough to get the job done.

Now that Iraq is on the back burner, where it should have been in the first place, we can focus on finding and eliminating the threat of Islamic Fundamentalism in the region. It's nice to see our Commander and Chief keeping his campaign promises so soon. Obama is a man of his word.

Stay sharp, Dale.

Bansheewail, over and out.