Community | February 24, 2009 | 72 comments

Soldier refuses to return to Iraq

source: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/02/23/soldier.refuses.duty.wbay

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As the war rages on, several young men such as Christopher Walker refuse to serve the rest of their terms. As he has already served since 2002, he spent the night at his home in Green Bay, WI, reflecting and "soul-searching" on a war that he now deems immoral. The official interviewed says that the proper way to handle the situation is to "file proper paperwork", that according to Walker, has already been filed several times and ignored. A warrant for his arrest will be placed out in 30 days if he does not return to his unit.

Is it not inevitable for these soldiers to do this more and more, as stop-loss is implemented and the number of recruits is limited?
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  • Highr0ller
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      Highr0ller [removed]  
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    • Kill! Kill! Kill!,

      Ex-Marine tells his story about US brutality in Iraq

      Former staff sergeant Jimmy Massey explains why US faces bloody insurgency in Iraq.

      PARIS - US military training has created troops so desensitised to violence that battleground brutality in Iraq is rampant -- and has helped fuel the bloody insurgency seen there today, a new book released Thursday in France by a former Marine says.

      Jimmy Massey, a former staff sergeant, said that the daily attacks now doled out to US-led forces and Iraqi civilians are "because of the brutality that the Iraqi people saw at the start of the invasion."

      In his book, " Kill! Kill! Kill!", he says he and other Marines in his unit killed dozens of unarmed Iraqi civilians because of an exaggerated sense of threat, and that they often experienced sexual-type thrills doing so.

      The book was being released first in France -- and in French -- because, he said, "I didn't find an American publisher."

      The French journalist who helped him write the work, Natasha Saulnier, said she believed the US companies were reluctant to touch the book because its "controversial" nature threatened commercial interests and the US public's image of their fighting forces.

      Massey, who left Iraq in May 2003 shortly after US President George W. Bush declared "mission accomplished", wrote the book after being discharged from the Marines with a diagnosed case of post-trauma stress syndrome.

      CONTINUED on link above.

    • 3 years ago
  • Robroy1
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      Robroy1  

    • About six years to late but better late than never! Wake up and quit the killing of innocent people for the Greed of Bush and his crew! It is an illegal occupation and should be stopped immediately, it violates all America stands for just as did George Bush and his crew.

    • 3 years ago
  • zeronil
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      zeronil  

    • Yeah I say prosecute him....

      right after we find those WMDs we've been looking for. Ya know the whole reason we went there in the first place.

    • 3 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  

    • I would agree that if he signed a contract, and he breached that contract, he must face the consequences. Presumably, he knew the penalties for breaching the contract beforehand. BUT that presupposes that the contract is legally valid. For example, it is not valid is his signature was coerced. It is not valid if he was a minor when he signed it. A judge may DETERMINE that the contract is not valid if he feels that the man's signature was obtained fraudulently or if he feels the nature and one or more terms of the contract are so one-sided as to be unconscionable, and so on. And before I forget, there is also the issue of whether the EMPLOYER breached this contract before the soldier's breach. Depending on the terms of the contract, the soldier might be entitled to be released from his obligation to perform.

      I have not seen the contract, so I don't know its precise terms. I have not heard from any of the witnesses present when he signed it, so I don't know his state of mind or whether he was under duress when he signed. All I am saying is the 99% of the time a contract is a contract and the penatlies for breach are understood. But these are precisely the kinds of cases that good lawyers who are also good people really like to take on. It gives them a chance to air out such issues as whether this is indeed a "moral" or an "immoral" war (IS there even such a thing as a "moral" war outside of strict self-defense? I mean, at least with respect to the conflict in Iraq, nobody could possibly argue with a straight face that we were simply defending ourselves. Another fascinating issue would be determining what a soldier's reasonable expectations should be when signing such a contract and how far the employer can deviate from those expectations before the contract no longer supports the actions the employer is asking of the soldier.

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    • 3 years ago
  • dcrasht
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      dcrasht  

    • Holy shit!!!!!!!

      All you fuckin assholes saying "He signed the dotted line" what the fuck is wrong with you??????

      U wanna get legal and technical instead of moral? Fine the contract was breached. He took an oath to uphold the constitution and defend it from all enemy's foriegn and DOMESTIC. Come on!!!! Use some moral sense here people!!!! This shit really is just common sense.

      Learn something http://trueworldhistory.info/

    • 3 years ago
  • cztheday
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      cztheday  

    • You mean...there are soldiers who DIDN'T refuse to go back to Iraq?!!! Oh my God!!! This reflects VERY badly on the quality of education in this country. If one has spent more that a week there in combat and has NOT learned to get AWAY at the first opportunity, that individual should NEVER have been matriculated from grade school...

    • 3 years ago
  • benfreckle916
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      benfreckle916  

    • I personally would do the same thing. I would rather be thrown in jail than fight a war I believed to be unjust and wrong.

      As others said "he did sign the dotted line". Yes he did, but his beliefs has changed. He isn't defending our constitution. He isn't doing anything wrong. He is doing the right thing.

    • 3 years ago
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  

    • While i do agree that the Iraq war is/was entirely unnecessary but the guy signed up to join the military. You cant join for the benefits and decide that you dont wanna be there anymore after you join up. Its called enlistment. He was not drafted but instead VOLUNTEERED.

    • 3 years ago
  • tommytripper
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      tommytripper  

    • hope he enjoys his jail time...

      he can look at the bright side... maybe this will serve as a message to everyone else... do not join up...

      if this was the draft i would support him 100% and would offer him a sofa to crash on

    • 3 years ago
  • marklemagne
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      marklemagne  

    • A deal's a deal. He signed up; he goes. If he doesn't go, then he should face the consequences of disobeying an order. He can't have it both ways.

    • 3 years ago
  • Cynic2
  • dariusvons
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      dariusvons  

    • I'm all for personal choice but screw these guys... they were dumb enough to join they are dumb enough to die and get maimed in an even dumber war.

      fight the good fight you moron thugs.

    • 3 years ago
  • Highr0ller
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      Highr0ller [removed]  
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    • There is hope for America yet if the men of war are with conscience.

      I hope these young men do not have to serve. Have you noticed it is always the poor man who has to go fight the war while the Bushes and Cheyneys stay home with their families.

      This article about a MARINE is a MUST READ. hE TELLS US LIKE IT IS IN iRAQ.

      Kill! Kill! Kill!

      Ex-Marine tells his story about US brutality in Iraq

      Former staff sergeant Jimmy Massey explains why US faces bloody insurgency in Iraq.

      PARIS - US military training has created troops so desensitised to violence that battleground brutality in Iraq is rampant -- and has helped fuel the bloody insurgency seen there today, a new book released Thursday in France by a former Marine says.

      Jimmy Massey, a former staff sergeant, said that the daily attacks now doled out to US-led forces and Iraqi civilians are "because of the brutality that the Iraqi people saw at the start of the invasion."

      In his book, " Kill! Kill! Kill!", he says he and other Marines in his unit killed dozens of unarmed Iraqi civilians because of an exaggerated sense of threat, and that they often experienced sexual-type thrills doing so.

      The book was being released first in France -- and in French -- because, he said, "I didn't find an American publisher."

      LARGE EXTRACTS ON CURRENT LINK ABOVE

      CLICK ON LINK

      http://current.com/items/89841993/kill_kill_kill.htm

    • 3 years ago
  • kittyomally
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      kittyomally  

    • I understand where your coming from and the sacrifice your family has made. I know better then you could know what its like to kiss someone good bye and never see them again, but if a person feels something is morally wrong and just stand by and not try to do something, then that is a failing. Not going back and risking jail or what ever is a consequence that he will have to deal with, but I think that he and people like him are trying to make it so none of our family members have to go back. Blessings to your family

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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      JLST  
    • kittyomally:

      Oh gosh I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to uponrooftops... I will add that in my post. You must have gotten your post in just before I could. I'm sorry about that.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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      JLST  

    • uponrooftops - I did delete my comments except for my response to Mik661 who corrected me (not b/c I fear criticism but b/c I can admit when I am wrong- he apparently didn't re-inlist). Your comment is very rude. Look, believe it or not, this is very upsetting to me because I am about to send my husband back to war for a 2nd time and I have made numerous sacrifices. Everyone has their comment but its not about peoples beliefs, their opinions about the war or what the soldiers are going through. It is about a contract that he signed and that he has breached. Every soldier has different beliefs and different situations, some have newborns or babies about to be born, some with sick spouses or dying family members, but they don't get to stay home because they want to. They go and fulfill their duty because that is what a soldier does. I have had enough of this. He signed the contract, he needs to fulfill the obligation or face the consequences.

    • 3 years ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • kittyomally
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      kittyomally  

    • The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain neutrality during times of moral crisis- Dante Alighieri

      I applaud him for making a stand against violations of freedom. Thats what our country was founded on. But he has to be ready to deal with the consequences of not following orders that he agreed to follow. Standing up for whats right is never an easy road.

    • 3 years ago
  • uponrooftops
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      uponrooftops  

    • uhhhh did people delete their comments or am I hallucinating?

      I think it's funny that people don't have the balls to keep their comments up in fear of criticism.

    • 3 years ago
  • cerealforeal
  • clownpuncher
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  • billssqueeze
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      billssqueeze  
    • uponrooftops:

      ahem, on that point of ignorance I have a rant. I dont know what my rights are, I know I had the bill of rights and the constitution. That was a while ago and now i find That I am one of most Americans that know feel dumber for not seeing the loss sooner. So can anyone tell me what I do have left? What rights do we have today?

    • 3 years ago
  • democles
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      democles  

    • Dude prolly found a chick that he knows will cheat on him if he rolls out again. sucks for ya man. i hope they hang you, fobbit piece of crap.

    • 3 years ago
  • mik661
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      mik661  

    • There is no such thing as a four year contract. All contracts for first time enlistee's are a total of 8 years. Any years not spent on active duty will be added as active or inactive reserve. He did not get out and "join" the reserves he had no choice. I watched my friends do four years active and then 3 years later pulled out of their homes for the first gulf war. They have the right to send you to active duty anytime in the 8 year period. Even then you may not be released. All it takes is a generals signature on a stop loss and you will serve indefinitely. My point is that he did not make a choice to remain in or rejoin the military after his initial tour of duty was completed. I think that people who feel like he does (and their is a lot of soldiers that do) are more of a coward to continue fighting a war they dont believe in than someone who has the balls to stand up and refuse to fight any further. Maybe he is just scared I dont know whats in his head. But maybe he is standing up for something he believes in just as strongly as what he felt when he first went to fight for his country. almost two thirds of the country believe that this has been a useless war justified with lies and distortions. Does this soldier not fight for us, the people? If over two thirds of us do not believe in this war is he not standing up for our beliefs also? Again I dont know this soldier personally or have his file but if not him then the next soldier or the soldier after that who speaks out surely speaks from the heart but the I'm sure no matter who it was the jackals on this page will be ready to tear him apart. I name the dirtiest jackal some punk who calls himself clownpuncher. Speak up punk how many years did you serve and where? what have you ever done for anyone but run your ignorant mouth on current?

      @Dmass come back in a few years and let me know how it all works for you. Dont worry the brainwashing they use to turn teenagers into machine gun charging death machines will wear off eventually then maybe you can show some common sense.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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      JLST  
    • mik661:

      I don't claim to know everything. I did read in an article that he had joined the reserves and I guess that was my bad not to look at the years. However there are other ways to get out of deploying besides this. Regardless what you think of me, I live this life every day and it is very difficult to see other people commenting on it when we are here going through it. I will delete my comments but I stand by my statement that he signed a contract he needs to fullfill his obligation, just like every other soldier.

    • 3 years ago
  • Cynic2
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  • mik661
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      mik661  

    • My country right or wrong. what bullshit. Just keep pumping out 19 year old expendable brainwashed pieces of cannon fodder and march them into that machine gun nest. If any of them happen to survive, then pull out the fine print of the contract and tell them that they will go home when uncle sam tells them they can go home. If and when they do go home it will be to no job, their brains cooked from IED blasts and if they are really lucky missing some limbs. They can go live in the rat infested human warehouses in DC waiting for help that will never come. Once the Department of the Army has figured out the excuse to screw them out of any further treatment or disability they will dump them in the street. If this soldier has done his six years and has had enough fuck the war and all of you assholes talking smack about him. His country doesnt give a shit about him so its time he started caring about himself. You would all think differently about this if they instituted the draft and started hauling all your daddies and brothers off to have their ass blown off in George Bush's war.

    • 3 years ago
  • Snuff99
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      Snuff99  
    • mik661:

      did you get some kind of secret memo that told you the way the Army treats some soldiers? No you didn't, it's basically public knowledge. no voluntary soldier deserves sympathy. it is their responsibility to do the same research you did to come to a decision about whether to join or not. his hand was not forced.

    • 3 years ago
  • mik661
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      mik661  
    • mik661:

      I do have first hand knowledge of how recruiters and the military operates. I know that 18 year old kids are fish in a barrel for recruiters and most of them have no idea what they are doing or signing. I have a different belief from yours that a soldier deserves what ever he gets for the service he offered to his country. If their was no such thing as an unlawful order or immoral military action, there wouldnt be a definition of it in the UMCJ or such a thing as a war crimes court.

    • 3 years ago
  • billssqueeze
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      billssqueeze  
    • mik661:

      we all need to question and question some more. we are talking about sending our voluntary services, my hus band, my sons, my uncles, my grand son who wants more then anthing to be a marine. We love our country, we should'nt TRUST anything, Question everything and then look again because you still won't get the whole truth.

    • 3 years ago
  • GoliathandDavid
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  • jeich55
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      jeich55  

    • screw the war. fighting for another country? I dont think so. I would protect and defend this country but I could care less about iraq and afghanistan. let em go to hell for all I care.this country is going broke and we are embroiled in two wars. stupid for sure!

    • 3 years ago
  • Snuff99
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      Snuff99  

    • Both of my brothers joined the Army and have been deployed. I didn't want to fight in anybodies war so I didn't sign up. Seems pretty simple. There has been no draft in these wars, there is no excuse for a voluntary soldier to dodge his duty.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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  • uponrooftops
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      uponrooftops  
    • JLST:

      First, good for your husband for being brave and serving. Second, have you ever seen a dead body in person? Have you personally had to ever look someone in the eye and fear for your life because you don't know if they're on your side or if they just planted a bomb a mile down the road? Did you ever suffer from a lost limb or disfigurement or constant pain because your job said that you had to kill people, and they might kill you?
      I've never been to Iraq, I don't know what it's like, but from what I see in PTSD patients there is NOTHING good about fighting in a war. There is no glory in killing. If a soldier has realized that he no longer wishes to hurt others or live in constant fear, he should have a right to leave. Yes, he signed on the dotted line, knowing certain things, but no one could ever dream what they see once they get the job.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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      JLST  
    • JLST:

      I am not arguing that a war is right or wrong. Please don't question me. I kissed both my husband and my brother goodbye knowing it may be for the last time, knowing they could come back a different person (mentally or physically) and knowing they may suffer. And I have seen what war can do to a person. That is absolutely not my point. My only argument is that he knew what he was getting himself into and still signed up. He knew what the contract meant and he still signed up. He knew how horrible the war is and he still signed up. Oh, and btw, I just read that his job over there was working in an office.

    • 3 years ago
  • Snuff99
  • Mattattack
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      Mattattack  

    • I wouldn't call this cowardly but, unless there's something I'm missing here he doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

      He's a soldier, it has and always will be that as a soldier you put your duty before your feelings about said duty. Under his contract and the IRR clause in the enlistment contract, he is obligated to serve still, regardless of how immoral the war is.

      Veterans against Iraq or whatever is a great group, but any sort of action against the war should probably wait until they are actually out of the military.

    • 3 years ago
  • cerealforeal
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      cerealforeal  

    • He has every right not to go and fight. It's ridiculous that the government will put a veteran in jail because he doesn't want to go back for a second time. He risked his life once, but yet the government that put him there in the first place can't pack up and go themselves; nor will they allow any of their family members to go fight in the war.

    • 3 years ago
  • stacey2303
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      stacey2303  

    • I have several family members and friends in the military now and the thing that gets me is the fact that they have NO IDEA what they are fighting for anymore..Theres a difference between fighting for a cause and fighting to cover up confusion..what I mean by this is the fact the ever since 9/11 we have been on such high alert to "stop" terrorist..but it took to lose 3000 people to do so..then it was we were on such a hunt to find Bin Laden (who has not liked out previous presidential family.because he has tried before)..then "oh shit" we cant find him so lets go to the next in line..Mr Hussein..who had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with 9/11.."oh shit" lets say they have weapons of mass destruction to invade their country..BUT THERE WERE NONE..sooooo what the hell are we still there for..Yea soldiers protect our country and civilians but whos protecting them?

    • 3 years ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • stacey2303:

      I agree with you. Except I would add that the Bush administration had just been waiting for a an opportunity to invade Iraq and they used the shock of 9/11 to sell it to us. And they knew there were no weapons of mass destruction and fed us bogus intelligence (i.e. lies).

      I support the troops, but not the war. I do believe it to be mostly a capitalist endeavor - it's all about $$$ Our troops were let down by our government of the past 8 years.

    • 3 years ago
  • uponrooftops
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      uponrooftops  
    • stacey2303:

      No one is protecting them, unfortunately, not even our own money is anymore. Dem's want to stop funding the troops to get them out, but GOP says that would only hurt our troops by sending them less supplies and weaker protection. No one is right in this situation, and unfortunately it is a self-perpetuating problem. Bush got us into this mess, Obama better get us out, but it's looking less and less sunny for the US troops. It's horrible how most of the gov't money spent was wasted through the war contractors who kill our soldiers by giving them vests that don't shield them and equipment that is out-dated.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
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  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • JLST:

      That's great for you, that you have something to be proud of. I understand your point of view and glad it works for you.

      But human beings are apt to change their minds. It is ridiculous to think otherwise. It's a pretty serious thing, war. If one goes to war and through whatever process they decide that they don't want to fight anymore I don't see why they should continue to kill and risk their lives for a cause they no longer support. Most people enlist young and are still forming their opinions.

      You feel shame for him, but I feel pride. I also have pride in people like your husband who serve. Everyone has their own cause. People have to follow their own hearts and also try to understand other peoples' point of view.

    • 3 years ago
  • uponrooftops
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      uponrooftops  
    • JLST:

      Maybe your husband wasn't, but take a look at the highschool kids who they're coercing into the military around 16. Recruiters love poor rural school districts like the one I came from. They'll tell you whatever you want to hear. My one friend, who was 19 with a 3 year old daughter, thought it would be a good investment to join the Navy. She was there for bootcamp but couldn't cut it. She was sent home, luckily. She had no idea what she was getting herself into.

    • 3 years ago
  • JLST
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  

    • The only question I have about this is how long did he enlist for?

      If he only enlisted for a 2 or 4 year tour, and was kept beyond that for an illegal war, then I think that he should protest if he really wants to.

      If on the other hand he signed up for 6+years, then he's boned.

    • 3 years ago
  • krush_productions
  • Robert_S
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      Robert_S  

    • Complicated issue

      2002. Long time to serve.

      Long time to fight another mans war.

      Sounds like he wants out of his contract.

      Yea its immoral, keeping your head is too?

      I can understand his frustration, having a pres saying he wats to get us OUT of this conflict lol

    • 3 years ago
  • oscarcoile
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  • kyackr
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      kyackr  

    • seems we have been brought to a place in this country where the only just war will be against the military industrial complex

    • 3 years ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  

    • It takes a lot more courage to go against the military industrial complex . All the other sheeple turn on you because they want to be "right" without question. The problems come for them when you can question . Like in a democracy where you have free speech and religion..... This is why it is so easy to control the masses . They want conformity so bad the do the work for you . Dissenters have more courage and moral integrity , and if it weren't for them we would never know democracy.

    • 3 years ago
  • dmharvey
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      dmharvey  

    • i don't know if this will help. i'm a former solider from the clinton administration. thanks goodness i was single at the time, because i was deployed so much i wanted to just walk away. my parent were concerned and upset with where i was going and doing. but they reminded me that i made the choice and to serve and protect not my country but my fellow soliders and cilvians. with that when i was deployed to different countries i got to do alot of different things and some i'm not proud of and sometimes keep me up at night. i do feel for the the military men and women and wish they would just keep going through the proper channels and keep doing it until it goes through the right way. i was lucky i got of before the stop loss.

    • 3 years ago
  • blknight
  • revolutioninamerica
  • cantucwearebrothers
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      cantucwearebrothers  

    • "he signed on the dotted line"

      "throw the coward in jail"

      Fuck You!!!

      At what point are you expected to give up your conscience? To allow your government to dictate what you think is morally acceptable? To not stand against what you believe is wrong?

    • 3 years ago
  • clownpuncher
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      clownpuncher  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      you sign your name on a contract to defend the constitution of the United States and then weasel out because you are a chickenshit, then you need to be taken out back like ole yellar or put in jail. I wrote more but deleted it because I didnt want you to feel bad about yourself the rest of the day. Have a good one.

    • 3 years ago
  • sidedish
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      sidedish  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      while i think this is an unfortunate situation, you can't exactly feel bad for people who thought their stay in the military reserves would be a fun-loving career choice. i just don't get these people. when has a war ever been morally correct and why the hell did you think it would be any different for you?

      the law is clear on this one and if he wants to collect tax dollars for a living then he'll do the job he decided to sign up for. otherwise, he'll get crapped on by the same government he risked his life for.

      should have read the fine print.

    • 3 years ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
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      cantucwearebrothers  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      To defend the constitution...yeah...keep telling yourself that that's what's going on over there.

      Then you try to weasel out...or could it be that you realized that you were completely lied to and the unethical goings on are something that you just can't sit by and watch happen. That you have a responsibility as a human being to say no this isn't right.

      Didn't want me to feel bad about myself...yeah...that's a funny one. I come from a fairly heavily stacked military family. It's not like I'm pulling shit out of my ass unlike some of us.

      These men and women sign up for a number of reasons. Check out where the majority of recruiting occurs. For many who enlist it is their only option. They are being taken advantage of by the government who is supposed to be representing their best interests.

      If soldiers had the ability to speak freely about what the authentic situation is you'd be floored.

    • 3 years ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
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      cantucwearebrothers  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      That must be the part that makes him a coward then. The fact that he signed up again. Tried to do what he could when he could. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to come to a different conclusion. To make new judgements based on new information. Perhaps it's an unusual concept, but...

    • 3 years ago
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      I completely agree this system is wrong. I don't think it's fair to ask an 18 year old to sign up for 4 or so years during war time and not give him/her the freedom to change their minds. Anyone significantly older than that knows that there is a lot of growing up to do after 18, and we all remember thinking we knew everything, but we were wrong. Putting these people in jail is wrong, I don't care what the law is, it's stupid.

      Ignorant minds see this man go to war and in the midst of it the man sees that it is unjust, and of course the small minds who judge this man see the world only in black and white. Therefore he must be a coward. Not someone who disagrees with them, a coward, and that coward should be thrown in jail.

      Thus we have unthinking sheep supporting the system that uses our troops as pawns for profit. Not everybody has the mind power to grasp anything but a black and white world where their view is simply correct by fiat. That is, they do not possess critical thinking skills.

    • 3 years ago
  • clownpuncher
  • mik661
  • clownpuncher
  • sarahgalvin
  • fun_size
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      fun_size  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      It is unfortunate but he SIGNED up for military service. If he was drafted it would be a different story but you cant join the military for the benefits and then decide that its not fun anymore when you get called on to fight.

    • 3 years ago
  • BFAM_RVS
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      BFAM_RVS  

    • It's really shitty how the governments of the world take advantage of individuals and recruit them into the military.....then before they know it, they are knee deep in something they want nothing to do with.......and when they choose to no longer participate, they are faced with criminal charges....there is something very wrong with this.....we are not supposed to be this way with our own citizens and community members....

    • 3 years ago
  • oscarcoile
  • malibu074
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      malibu074  

    • Mislead to enlist.....
      Fight a war that is just ......
      Lifetime of problems to come from post traumatic war syndrome, as well as others....
      What a shame....
      Bring home our sons & daughters......
      Not in a box...

    • 3 years ago
  • dmass5
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      dmass5  

    • He signed on the dotted line. Give him one more chance and if he doesn't go over, then throw him in jail. Only right thing to do. oh and i guarantee hes a p.o.g.

    • 3 years ago
  • clownpuncher
  • noxidereus
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      noxidereus  
    • dmass5:

      clownshoe, how does supporting someone who stands up for what he believes in stem from fear? I think it's quite primitive to be throwing dissenters in jail. I find people who seek to punish others who disagree of very small mind and no integrity. One should be free to choose not to kill people for a cause that you don't even believe in. You both are in serious need of personal enlightenment.

    • 3 years ago
  • fun_size
    • 0
      fun_size  
    • dmass5:

      @Nox

      Im afraid i actually have to agree with clownboy on this one. Its not like he was drafted into the military he volunteered. What did he think military service was going to be like? Fun and games? He signed a contract and if he doesnt comply then he deserves to go to prison.

    • 3 years ago
  • dcrasht
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      dcrasht  
    • dmass5:

      I don't know. Maybe he found out that they are lying to him on the most fundamental level. Wars faught by the United states are supposed to be faught to pressurve and protect our freedom (Liberty). To protect our constitution, and to stop invasion. He didn't know (when he signed) that they would make him kill innocent humans to keep the dollar the reserve currency of the world. And to make big corps.. and wall street rich. And intern hurting the economy of his home. This war has nothing to do with Liberty and protecting the constitution of the United States of America. And in no way preserves our republic form of Goverment. Hey I could be wrong. But that's very unlikely.

    • 3 years ago
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