Fear Descends On Ciudad Juarez As Girls Go Missing
source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101479041
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But between daily executions, kidnappings and extortions, another horribly familiar terror has been rekindled in the city. Young women are disappearing in an alarmingly similar pattern, with at least 18 missing in the past 14 months.
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Could these disaprearances have some ties to the past murders?
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bailey78
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the rich are buy this little girls
- 3 years ago
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bailey78
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uberdeft
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Why would we send troups with such a healthy small arms trade we got going with them, mostly out of Houston. Even Canada issued a travel warning recently and they'd never say a bad thing about someone unless they really felt it's true. Maybe that fence wasn't such a bad idea. Nothing wrong with owning a gun, it's how they are sold that is more important to me.
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uberdeft
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erodut
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Actually, the FBI has offered help many times before. The only reason the Mexican government doesn't accept it is because they fear FBI investigations would lead to high ranking officials, including the police. Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, as corruption would be given a lethal blow, but it would speak horrible for Mexico's sovereignty.
I grew up in Ciudad Juarez, and let me tell you, this has been going on for decades. Hundreds, possibly thousands of unaccounted women are still missing. Many are found raped, mutilated, disfigured and dismembered. Hell, many "narco fosas," (pits the Cartels use to dispose of many bodies at a time) have been found in recent years, and many of the bodies were of women who were missing. I do not believe there is a single person who has not been directly affected by this. In 2003, a very dear friend of mine (an ex-girlfriend actually) went missing, only to be found dead two months later in a ditch behind the elementary school we both attended. She was a victim of sexual and physical abuse. Now, I do not speak lightly about this because it needs to be known that it is real, and it's happening right next door. But still, there isn't a single person who has not had a friend, sister, family member, etc., taken from them. I really do hope this is given more attention. For the sake of those still missing.
- 3 years ago
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erodut
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mik661
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erodut:
As the article states this area has been known as the "serial killers" playground.
- 3 years ago
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mik661
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I see several cases on AMW, on Saturday nights - where girls and children, here in the US, are raped by Mexican nationals.
It has made me think that their society raises some very uneducated and backward people. Probably the poverty and ignorance is rife through their overbearing religion as well, creating an even stronger aspect to the social brew.
Testosterone young men. - I guess we can say that those involved have not had a sufficiently mature nor enlightened background to effectively instill any real moral instinct.
It's worse elsewhere - they burn women and stone them.
Littel boys, little boys, little boys. - 3 years ago
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erodut
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What the hell are you talking about?!!! This is just plain racist. And, what do you mean by "they?" You have no idea what you are talking about. Uneducated and backward people? Are you serious? You seem to be the ignorant one here. And for your information, most child predators are WHITE. Just because someone made a stupid video about stupid assholes who rape American children does not mean it applies to an entire population. You comment is just plain racist. And you speak about morals? Trust me, having lived in both countries, I can tell you that morality is more important in Mexico than it is in America. Seriously, get your head out of the gutter. Fuck.
- 3 years ago
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erodut
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marQueso
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your an idiot
- 3 years ago
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marQueso
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erodut
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First of all, it's spelled "you're" not "your." And I am not an idiot. His comment is just plain racist. He's blaming a a few rape cases on the lack of morality of a whole country, while calling them ignorant.
- 3 years ago
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erodut
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mik661
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Well unfortunately, a large segment of Mexico is populated with uneducated, highly ignorant people. And, anyone who has had an exposure to the Machismo of Mexican male culture would know that they consider women to be inferior and see nothing wrong in blatantly sexual behavior up to and including groping, sexual harassment and forced sex. I would like to see any info that shows that pedophiles are more prevalent strictly as to race without any other factors being included such as education, social and financial standing. However, this article really has nothing to do with pedophile. There is a clinically recognized difference between sexual attraction to infants, prepubescents, teens and adult women. Many "sexual" assaults really have little to do with sex per se but are about power and control. All of the murders in Juarez are not necessarily related. Some are murders, some are rapes, some are drug related or strictly criminal, and certainly a number of them are the work of Serial Killers fulfilling who knows what sick desires.
- 3 years ago
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mik661
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erodut
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You do make some valid, strong points, but I will refute that people being uneducated and ignorant generates serial killers rapists, etc. Mexican "Machismo" is not as prevalent as you make it out to be. As a matter of fact, I've dealt with more "machismo" (it just means sexism) here in the United States. I DO feel that the "chicano" community has given rise to many blatant, ignorant fools who have forgotten about the morality that is instilled within them by being Mexican. These are the ones you hear about on the news, and AMW shows.
But, these ignorant Mexican people you speak of (and yes, I do admit they are uneducated and ignorant for the most part although it is not their fault) are simple people, most of them farmers. "Campecinos" we call them, and many of them still retain their indigenous culture. The serial killers, rapists, and pedophiles are products not of Mexican machismo, or moral incompetence, but of power granted by association with the drug cartels. We do not feel our women are inferior, and in no way does any REAL Mexican man justify any ill action against any woman. On the contrary, we honor and wholeheartedly protect our women with our lives. The media has portrayed something else, but let me assure you that the Mexican machismo you are familiar with is not Mexican at all. It may have been at some point, but it is now almost completely extinct. Our mothers, our sisters, they are what matter most. There isn't a single Mexican household where the mother/woman does not rule. And, they are not looked as equals either. We see them as superior to us, for they instill in us a sense of pride and dignity no man could ever teach.
Finally, all the murders in Juarez ARE related. Trust me, I grew up there any my whole family still lives there. Nothing had been done because the killers, rapists, etc. are members of the drug cartels, and, if you haven't noticed confronting them has led to executions, mas murders, etc. These beasts are a product of the American demand of Cocaine. That's what the Drug War is about and it is what grants these pigs lenience to do whatever they hell they want. It is not machismo or ignorance.
I thank you for your argument, as it is well informed, but I urge you to not make vasts generalizations about an entire country based on the ill actions of a few.
- 3 years ago
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erodut
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mik661
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When I was a child I grew up in Michigan. We had thousands of migrant workers who traveled here, sometimes for generations. Entire families would travel and work together for the same farmers year after year. however, there was another class of worker. Groups of males without family, dominated usually by elder males, who had few community ties. I found these men to be violent, criminal and full of "machismo". I have also found over the years that many Hispanic males have extreme difficulty in estimating the age of Caucasian females. Even now the central American workers at my current company consistently estimate the age of girls who are 13 or 14 as being in their 20's. Add this to a culture in which it is not uncommon to have sex with females in their early teens it leads to the perception of Hispanic males being pedophiles/rapists.
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mik661
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erodut
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But see, you are letting the isolated cases in your community define an entire population. Have we not learned that what one member of a community does is not necessarily accepted by the community itself. It's as silly as saying that all African American people are criminals. That is just not the case.
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erodut
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mik661
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My view point is a little more broad than one community. I started working in the fields as a child and have been in the green and construction industry since 1984. I have lived in the Midwest and the east coast. The people I meet have been from Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador and many more countries from the region. Of course it is not everyone but not everyone travels to America both legally and illegally. We are talking about a segment of the population but one that is very well represented in America. My comments weren't so much targeted at the murders in Juarez but at your comments of racism in regards to the accusation of Mexican nationals being involved dispassionately in sexual assaults in the US. Those extent of that issue may be exagerated but there it more to the issue than simple racism. All stereotypes are based in some measure on the truth. That is why they are so hard to kill.
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mik661
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"All stereotypes are based in some measure on the truth. That is why they are so hard to kill."
So this means that I can stereotype you as an arrogant American cowboy like George Bush?
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erodut
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I simply cannot believe you are trying to justify stereotypes. We ought to be moving away from that kind of mentality. Now, you say your viewpoint is more broad than one community, but is it really that broad? I'm sure you've encountered quite a few cases, but this still does not speak for entire countries. Jdabbott makes a good point. Would you accept what he said as "truth?"
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erodut
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mik661
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And what does George Bush have to do with this debate? Bush actually was very active as Governor of Texas regarding Mexican-American relations and was very sympathetic to the plight of seasonal workers.
@jdabbott51 - if you blinded by your own idealism if you cant understand that stereotypes can be based on some grain of truth. This link is to one of many studies that seriously consider the grain of truth Hypothesis. This is a serious subject that shouldn't be dismissed out of hand because it offends your sensibilities. You should be able to differentiate between racist assumptions and valid cultural beliefs.
- 3 years ago
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mik661
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MoMoney
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I honestly can't believe the situation in Mexico doesn't get that much attention. Current members should demand more information on it...
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