Report: Israel nears attacking Iran

YES!!!

Wow, a response that doesn't use spin to justify apartheid and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being an antisemite. Who are you and what have you done with the real mymicz1?

You know, that's a true Hamas supporter for you, never stops to think that if 50 mile across Israel gets "nuked," that means bye bye Palestinians too.

That whole Masada thing was a total screw up on the Jews part because they were all looking for the Messiah around the time of the True One Jesus but since they rejected and killed him, they went whoring after any megalomaniac with a Messiah complex which was what led that deluded group up to Masada in the first place. Just an unfortunate massacre of a bunch of duped followers of a totally deranged cult leader. It wasn't the only time something similar happened among them, they followed many fake Christs after they killed Jesus. So yes of course they'll gladly lead the world into the next stage of the ongoing world war, they expect their imagined Messiah to come bail them out just like the Xtians do.For that matter it's the same story for the Moslem Fundies as well only they think that Jesus and Ali will float down together as buddies and give the victory over to the Moslems. So you see all three groups are plunging headlong into this confrontation for "religious" or as we say, "irreligious" reasons and they'll do anything to make sure it happens. The rest of the worlds population will just be collateral damage.

Here is the difference between the US and Iran. While many Americans hate or dislike homosexuals, the state prosecuted the murderers who killed that boy in Wyoming and they were sent to prison. While many people in Iran may not support the execution of homosexuals, stoning of alleged adulterers and other attrocities their goverment either facilitates or tolerates there existence and by extension so do the people of Iran.

"cztheday", Clearly you're on a far higher intellectual level than the vast majority of these people on this entire site. I'm afraid most weren't able to focus attention long enough to read your very well written posts and if they actually did the wording and sentence structure wasn't dumbed down enough for their limited literacy. With the idiotic responses here as they are, I think you give those respondents far more credit than they merit. I've all but given up on the mentality here. Even the seemingly "intellectual" people here are in large measure completely closed minded. Still there are those who are good to hear from such as you and a good handful of others as well as the ones who read and rarely if ever post. Thanks for not dumbing it down for the small minds here.

Just a little bit elitist there Bahaii?

Not at all "mik661" just calling it like it is. I think it was an equal opportunity ASSessment of the "types" here.

You are saying my posts are too long and complex, Kuffar? Why you little...(kidding). Perhaps they ARE too long. I recall that great line from Amadeus when the king, after listening to one of Mozart's greatest works sniffs, "There were...too many notes..."

I am certainly no Mozart. But when it comes to those two posts, I sincerely meant every...chapter...

mik661, your post nicely illustrates several of my points insofar as you purport to lecture the rest of the people on this thread about how Iranians view the stoning of accused adultresses. First, the idea that you could know how Iranians feel about the issue based on the "evidence" you cite is absurd. Analogy: George Bush was President of the United States for eight years. Congress did not impeach him. Therefore, by extension, we the people who supported all of his policies, right? Abortion is legal in the United States. The courts have not overturned this right. Therefore all Americans, by extenstion, support abortion, right?

This issue is hugely divisive in Iran and is greatly discussed and debated. The fact of the matter is that those who engage in such stonings ARE prosecuted in Iran. Unfortunately, just like in the United States, there is a good deal of inconsistency among the judges in Iran with respect not only to how to interpret the law but even as to which "law" to interpret.

And to be frank, the aspect of your post that I found most disappointing was that you didn't say a word about the people who protested that kid's funeral. Of COURSE the people who stoned him to death were prosecuted. But for those poor parents to have had to endure the death of their child by stoning, in freaking AMERICA, for crying out loud, and then to go to the funeral only to have it PICKETED...At that particular place and at that particular time, America had no reason to consider itself in any way superior to Iran or anywhere else. I cannot imagine any more fundamental rule of behavior anywhere in the world than the (admittedly unwritten one, but come ON...) that you do NOT disturb the grief of a parent or parents standing over the grave of their child...

cztheday, as articulate and as insightful as you are, when all the eloquent rhetoric is stripped away, and as I review the bare bones of your position, I see just another liberal apologist, that seemingly refuses to concede that there is indeed a need to deal with this problem sooner rather than later..

As kuffar has so clearly and succinctly stated:.."Anyone who does not regard all this as evil is not only fathomlessly stupid but also a supporter of totalitarianism, someone who has lost their place in the human community, who has no moral compass, who exhibits a callous and cruel indifference to the suffering of the few sane Iranian people stuck in this monstrous regime, who is complicit in the genocidal intentions of Iran towards the Jews and its declared war on freedom and universal human rights. In other words, someone who is also inhabiting the realm of evil and death. Nauseating. It's a truly ghastly experience to read some of the poisonous and fascist comments on here, the bottomless and irredeemable willful ignorance of the hardcore haters siding with the forces of darkness."

However I do not say that you are "fathomlessly stupid", but more probably "exceptionally blind" and caught up in your intellectual superiority to the point that me thinks that you've failed to see the forest for the trees.

cztheday, many commenter's who have come to this post, did so to support Israel. It has been reported that they have a team who combs the web for posts about Israel.

I have a tendency to get mad. Yesterday, I posted a nasty response to kuffar and was censored. I have been censored 2 or 3 times while posting at current. I think every time was due to anger at posters who supported war with Iran? I am ashamed, I let the little green monster in me come out. But, the warmongers who justify their views infuriate me.

I appreciate your posts!

Thank you, Connie, you are very kind. I certainly know how tempting it can be to match filth with filth. I received a personal e-mail last night from one of the people who posts at this site that was easily the most vile garbage ever to land in my mailbox in my life. But really the effort was just SO pathetic! The guy had nothing intelligent to contribute and could barely scratch his name in the dirt with a stick let alone engage in a point-by-point refutation of MY arguments. So instead he attacked my looks (I may be ugly, but at least I have the courage not to hide that fact), my homosexuality (which as you can imagine came as a terrible shock to my wife of 20 years and two children last night), my ethnic background (who knew that Swedish was such a controversial heritage?), my religion (again, my Lutheran Pastor will likely want to have at least a short talk with me about my apparent sudden conversion to Islam)... I am being facetious, of course. The guy just made up anything he thought would be hurtful to me. But people like that just don't even grasp that those of us who are fundamentally decent people (I hope I am not being presumptuous in numbering myself among them) are not going to be hurt by being called a homosexual or a Muslim than they would be if they were called a brunette or a Rhode Islander. So you can imagine the laughter my wife and I shared as Mr. Unibrow "savaged" me by telling me things that had no more affect on me than if he told me that my tie did not match my shirt. Admittedly he used a TON of four-letter words but at my age I have heard everything he said a thousand times before. I can't even say that he worked me up to a state of boredom. One really can't take pity on someone who intends to be so mean, even if they botch the job so badly, but I did feel a little sad for him to think of how utterly frustrated he must have been to have been forced to resort to such tactics in the absence of an imagination. I also couldn't help thinking that his day-to-day life must be just MISERABLE. There is a lot of laughter in my home, and as usual we were sorry to part as everybody headed off to their respective jobs or schools. But I have no doubt at all that this guy and so many like him wake up each day with a ginormous chip on their shoulders, hating everybody and everything and squaring off for a fight at every opportunity. What a horrible way to live! So while I am sorry that you were unable to get your "shots" past the censor(s), I can tell even from just your brief post that you are intelligent enough and compassionate enough that you can leave such conduct to those who are far beneath you. I have a list of about 15 names from this site written on a 3X5 card taped on my desk next to the computer. I know when I see one of those names that whatever follows is going to be ignorant and insubstantial at best and probably deliberately distorted and inflammatory. Life is too short to waste time purposely reading such nonsense, so I almost always skip right over their posts. This is one of the few times I allowed myself to be drawn into the discussion -- usually happens when I see one decent guy trying to reason with a dozen or so trolls and think (mistakenly) that I can help by jumping into the fray. I hope you will do me the honor of calling my attention to your next post. I am sure I will enjoy it.

to titvol, many countries have nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately, America is the only country which has used them. SAD!

titvol, did you know we have laws which forbid us from giving money to countries which have nuclear weapons and are not part of the non-proliferation treaty. If Israel has nuclear weapons, they should sign the non-proliferation treaty!

Israel is the country which has been using their weapons in Lebanon and Gaza. Israel looks like the aggressor to me. I am not anti-Israel, but I am not a blind supporter of Israel either.

kuffar, why isn't Israel part of the non-proliferation community? Why should Israel be able to have nuclear weapons with no accountability. Iran lets in the IAEA, Israel does not. Why not?

Why double standards?

Bravo. Perfection. Best I've read in a long time.

You say it so well. Whenever I try to talk to the feeble, I go off and lose control - I guess I have little patience for the naive... Thank you...

This post does seem to have many neocon warmongers posting. I had hear Israel had people policing the web for posts which seem to go against Israel. I would wager this post made it to their radar.

People like kuffar who support Israel attacking Iran are spinning. We let neocons spin us into a war of aggression with Iraq. They were busy spinning people who didn't agree as uninformed, peacenics.

I have seen what has been done to ordinary Iraqi's and think someone should be held accountable. We as Americans who were misled by our leaders, should hold those leaders accountable. We should not have moved along so fast. George W. was able to ride off into the sunset, while leaving the mess for the rest of us.

Israel should be forced to join the non-proliferation treaty. Iran has the right to build a nuclear power plant. They are signers of the non-proliferation treaty. Do you think Israel should be part of the non-proliferation community? If not, why not?

The "Arab world" launches bombs into Israel daily. They have been at war for hundreds of years. The only reason Israel exists is because they are far more technologically advanced. In fact, a large number of the weapons the US uses were imported from Israel.

The attack on Palestine was warned a week in advance. Civilians had plenty of time to leave. They were after the Hamas. After Israel left, they were bombed the very next day - would you suggest they just allow themselves to be attacked?

@ Sam

You REALLY need to get your facts straight. Israel hasnt been under attack for hundreds of years... its only existed since 1948. Second Israel has excellent military technology no doubt... its OUR technology. The US spends BILLIONS of tax payer dollars yearly to fund Israel's military.

Also, there wasnt an attack on Palestine, it was an attack on the Gaza strip: a portion of what once WAS Palestine. The Jews kicked out most of the Palestinians from their own land in 1948 when they set up the state of Israel. Also, Israel may have warned the Palestinians but what does that matter when the Gaza strip is enclosed by walls built and defended by the Israelis? There were in essence fish in a barrel.

Actually what you're referring to is called Irreligion. Religion is one and that One True Religion of the One True God will rise above all of the man made systems and become the World Religion of the Kingdom of God on Earth which will follow the period of domination by a world wide totalitarian superstate which we are entering into now. Best prepare yourself.

Yeah OBVIOUSLY all other religions are wrong except for yours. If only every religion didnt feel that way then there wouldnt be a problem would there?

"fun_size" if you actually knew anything at all about the Bahai Faith you'd know how completely stupid your response looks. What you said is so far away from what the Bahai Faith is that it's like you aren't even making sense at all. You need to go to the links and educate yourself about these things you know nothing of before you start typing yourself into the idiot corner. Wear that dunce cap proudly kiddo. Here's the links: www.bupc.org
www.uhj.net
www.thekingofterror.com
NOW! Go into your corner and READ!
And don't come out till you're ready to give a report.

Hey Bahai, Have you got some proof of this ONE TRUE GOD? I'd love to hear it because I think you'd be the first. Otherwise what you have a one piece of TRUE DOGMA that you've convinced yourself is the truth. Now I'm sure it's a piece of dogma that is extremely appealing to you but that does not make it dogma. You are saying the same old rubbish as all the hardcore dogmatic groups say - we have the TRUE answer - blah blah blah. Then comes the trick - just have faith because we have no evidence.

The Book of Revelation supports Bahai's claims. It predicts that a new earth and a new heaven will come out of the great world conflict.

Why would you think that by reading up on your religion it would somehow persuade me to change my opinion? All judeochristian religions have the same origins and its all the same made-up garbage, no offense. EVERY person believes that their religion is the only possible truth... otherwise they wouldnt follow it. So please could you take a second to remove your head from your ass and try to form an opinion without your unfounded feelings of superiority?

To "merge9" and "funsize":

First of all I'm not expecting or interested in the slightest degree in convincing you or anyone else of anything at all.

Second, you both know nothing of that of which you speak as your comments of opposition for it's own sake prove. You will not be convinced of anything and as I stated, I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you have a change of heart and feel the urge to investigate using your very own GOD-given intellects which you are clearly so proud of and have so much confidence in the powers thereof to discern the truth, then you will follow the various links that are given in some of my posts and contributions on current.com and prove or disprove to your own satisfaction. There you will find all the evidence you claim without foundation that I/we don't have. If it works for you, good. If it doesn't then feel free not to believe it. If you knew anything at all about the Bahai Faith you're making false statements about you'd know that it in fact requires the exact opposite of blind faith. Hence, your opposition is emotional and irrational and as I stated earlier, only for it's own sake. Whether or not you or anyone else believe in the ONE TRUE GOD or no god or a god of your own imagination, is of absolutely no interest to me whatsoever. Your problem is that you as many here do, insist upon turning everything posted here on current.com into an adversarial conflict. You thereby attempt to dumb down the entire conversation and misdirect the free flow of ideas and open discussion which then degenerates into simple bickering. You have your options. Go, and choose wisely.

Perhaps if they all sat down and had a good smoke together, things would be different.

If you want to know who Press TV is, as you apparently know how to use a computer it shouldn't be too far beyond you to follow links to find out more about it. Do a little research. Educate yourself.

Have you ever been on the other side of the gun?

Labelling Iran as Evil is pretty dumb too. Bushy boy already tried that one and he wasn't the brightest spark the world has seen.

Labeling Iran as "Evil" is SPIN! Spin by people who care not of human suffering. People who like the game of war talk. Armchair quarterbacks who are bored by current politics. They think it's entertaining? Entertainment for bored people, should not cost the lives of others. War is not entertainment!

Get a job, get a hobby, love your family, but stop spinning evil war! Those who spin war with reckless abandon are true forms of evil.

Spinners spun us into war with a country which had not killed one American and then had the nerve to say we should look forward and not at the past. Spinners are sad, creatures who should be ignored at all costs. They bring nothing to the table of diplomacy.

Evil is a relative term. And as to violence. I'll quote Isaac Asimov when I say

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

Yes Bren, and IF only the whole world could just hold hands in a big circle and proclaim their love for their fellow brothers and sisters with flowers in their hair - now wouldn't that be lovely!!

Now back in the real world - do you have any ideas on solutions for Iran building a nuclear weapon and what Israel should do about it?

We have nuclear weapons, Russia has nuclear weapons. Why does Israel get to choose who can and can not have nuclear weapons?

hmmm... are you saying we're better off if everyone has nuclear weapons? You know what started WW1 right? It was the assasination of an ambassador from austria I think..? Just something stupid - alliances drew everyone in - The point is, a nation is strong when it is on top of the escalation curve - because when we all have nukes, the world is damned.

Israel is not "getting" to make a choice about who has nuclear weapons..it is being imposed upon them by the open declaration of Irans leaders that their desire is for the annihilation all the jews from the face of the planet..

Simply stated, if you were to tell me that you intended to kill me when you finally had the means to do so, you could bet you sweet ass that I would endeavor to stop you from acquiring those means in whatever fashion at my disposal..

Well that is one possible reality - but one I would take with a pitch of salt. I'm sure you don't have proof of this rather vast conspiracy you state and if you do - then maybe you should do a bit of searching for proof to contradict this theory with the same vigour - I'm sure you find a good deal of that too - if you have an open mind.
Still I enjoyed your post.

"merge9" actually ragan is exactly on track but even as this very detailed and far reaching plan is being systematically implemented no matter what "party" is in the white house, the people of the world and most specifically the American populace are led around by the nose and forced to look at any other distraction that the powers that be can fabricate. By the time the "people" wake up to the facts of this plan it will be far too late for the masses of asses to do anything about it and they will have exactly the world government they deserve for their IGNORance. SEE the LINK

Of course, Iran is a pushover. In the war against Iraq they sent children to be slaughtered. The U.S. walked over the Iraqi army, as if they did not exist. What has changed? Iran would fall just as Iraq did! Of course a long war of terror would result, as they have failed to succeed, in most modern warfare. We would have another "Mother of all Wars', which has to be the biggest joke God ever played on these simpletons. The U.S. should have excecuted every religious cleric and politician in Iraq and then moved on to let them fight it out amongst themselves. Poetic justice!

Right MoonLoon, totally ignore the fact that Iran has strong connections to China, Russia and a whole host of other nations. Also, you totally ignored the point of my statement.

Are you suggesting that Iran is to be applauded for their connections with China, Russia, and other nations, reknowned for their record of support of human rights? Clearly, this affiliation supports my point. Iran, in their massive ignorance, is the hand puppet of major world powers. Their blind hatred for the Zionist's is leading them and the world to destruction. I have a problem with China, Russia, Iraq, Iran, all African countries( except South Africa) and many other countries that deny their citizens, basic human rights. By the way ,I live in a 5th world country and am intimately familar with their "justice".

"By the way ,I live in a 5th world country and am intimately familiar with their "justice"."

Doesn't mean your right about how we should deal with them. And I'm not suggesting that they be applauded, I'm merely pointing out the fact that it isn't as easy to take down Iran as you seem to make it.

Your still missing the point of my statement. See the forest and not the tree.

"current89" apparently you didn't actually read the article before you decided to question the source or you would have read even in the first line that Press TV's sources are all AMERICAN. Try reading the article BEFORE criticizing the source.

@ Bahai

"Press TV's sources are all AMERICAN"

Oh you showed him! American sources never lie right?

Never said it wasn't American. Don't take things so personally. Also, so what if it's American? It's not as if that matters, you statement is what we call a red herring. I might be more inclined to believe the article if other news outlets were publishing it.

@ funsize

Thanks for the backup.

@ Current

Hey no prob. Great minds think alike xp

Press TV is an Iranian news agency. Explain how my reply was what "we" call a red herring. I just used your question which actually was what "we" call a red herring to question whether or not you actually bothered to read the article in the first place. Would you trust it if it cited FOX or MSNBC? or any other singular news agency? Also I'm not taking anything personally at all, where do you get that idea? If it's because I used caps on some words that was just to make sure you paid particular attention to those words. You're in college so to me you're a kid who's like any of my other students. I don't take you very seriously as you haven't yet entered the "real world" and still live in the protected environs of the virtual world of the institutions of "higher learning".

To "fun_size", go sit in the corner.

I actually did read this article. Notice how they dont refer to any specific individuals in this article?

"top US advisors and experts on Middle East affairs, released a report on Wednesday, saying "Israel's time frame for action (against Iran) is growing shorter."

Its fairly difficult to trust an IRANIAN newspaper talking about non-specific "advisors and experts" that say war with IRAN is nearing. Its not like Iran might want some anti-Israeli/US propaganda circulating right?

Age means nothing. Knowledge and logic are the real measures of ones worth in this world.

"funsize", I wasn't addressing you in the first place.

Age really does mean much more than you think it does but you won't realize that until you have some years in your past. The whole "age means nothing" attitude is a typical position of youth, naivete and a lack of wisdom, none of which are blameworthy. It's exactly what I would expect from a high school student.

@funsize

I'd drop this conversation like it's hot. It's a waste of our time to debate with someone who only throws insults and makes assumptions.

Really "current89"? Perhaps you shouldn't have bothered to start the conversation in the first place. Are you and "funsize" roommates? Doesn't matter, as long as your still a college kid your opinions and influence are of no real consequence. Here's to your eventual launch out into the big wide world. Try picking up some more cute, catchy phrases like "red herring" just be sure to apply them correctly next time.

To quote you "current89"; "Additionally, I may come off as "holier than thou", but believe me, it's not my intent."

Don't like what you see in your mirror?

If you want a real education, you should apply your gray matter to the websites I've provided for your edification.

damn that was a good fight

Strange you would mention -- "while consistently failing to address the problems within their own countries". Talk about spin. Here we are, we have failed to address the problems in our own country. Was anyone held accountable for the Iraq War. NO! We are supposed to just move along?

Dah!

"Connie", I know what you mean, thus the reason for my, "typical politicians", comment. I do not exclude any of them, U.S. or others from my wrath.

Have to agree with you there Moonloon

"Why does Iran need a nuclear program?"

Whos to say they arent entitled to a nuclear program? Who dictates which nations can and cannot have nuclear technology? Is it because Iran is an Islamic nation? Pakistan is an islamic nation with ties to terrorism and they have nuclear weapons. They havent used them even in their war with India over Kashmir.

Bren589. Oh yea, we don't need to be in this mess as we are already bankrupt, going into depression, and have exhausted our military, and they are in Afghanistan and Iraq also.

Anyone who wants world war is crazy as a loon.

Because we are runned by idiots

Are "Loons" crazy?

We couldn't diplomatically stop George W. and he was our President. Hell, we can't even hold him accountable after finding out he misled us and Congress. Instead, we just move along?

I agree - but that does not help answer the question here of what Israel (or the world) should do in the face of Iran making a nuclear bomb and not being open to diplomacy to halt the program. Have they given any indications so far that they are open to the diplomatic way?

Merge9

Bush the tetosterone king did not really try diplomacy but refused to "talk" to his enemies or those who he called evil.
We must try diplomacy and other means and try hard, not half heartedly.

It has not been tried yet and everyone in the world knows it. Bush actually created a climate that made Iran more dangerous because he threatened them with his macho stupid talk that they took seriously.

If I were Iran and Bush were threatening me, I might want nukes too.

I think I heard mention that they had been open to diplomacy. Do you think the efforts they made at the start of the Iraq War should have been made known. They sent a letter to the Bush administration and were ignored.

I don't think we actually hear what Iran says. I think the military industrial complex silences the voices of peace. War means profit, plain and simple.

Bombing a nuclear plant will cause nuclear fallout. Do you think the nuclear pollution will not encompass the world? I think an attack by Israel, will put us all in nuclear danger. Can we afford for them to be wrong? Would they be held accountable? What good would accountability be if the world is sick from nuclear fallout? The price is too high to be taken so lightly.

Iran may well have sent that first letter when their were high levels of fear in many countries as they saw the US was actually backing up threats made. Lebanon gave up its secret nuclear programs at the time. Since then they have seen that the US got entangled in a quagmire and they have become far bolder so I am not sure how seriously we could take a letter from back then. A new letter now could be viewed very differently. They have every chance now - Obama is not Bush and he has entended a hand of friendship. It is their move now.

Regarding the dangers of nuclear fallout around the world from bombing one plant. I don't think that is realistic and I think it would be far less dangerous than a potential arms race in the middle east.

Merge9, I would take it from your posts, you are not a nuclear scientist, so I would assume you really don't know, or care about nuclear fallout. I DO!

I CARE ABOUT THE INNOCENT IRANIANS WHO WOULD BE HARMED BY AN ATTACK BY ISRAEL!

People think we are supposed to care for Israel and not the rest of the world. I beg to differ. I think the Iraqi people matter. I think the Iranian people matter. Sorry!