U.S. to sign U.N. gay rights declaration

Wow! I couldn't have said it any better! Great post!

i don't agree with the last bit you said there. people shouldn't have to change their ideals/traditions because people pressure them to. thats why mormons have no credibility. changing what you believe in because its popular is what most people call heresy

Oh great. Another conspiracy theorist about how the UN is trying to take over the world. Futurama becomes true.

That's right, a VOLUNTARY organization that WE founded and can veto any declaration in is going to force one-world government and take away all of the constitutional rights you don't care about.

Awesome argument.

minus the last sentence i agree with you

agreed!

They already have all the same rights as gays. There is only one set of laws for everyone.

Saying "They have the same rights- the right to marry a heterosexual" is an extremely weak argument. Interracial marriage used to be illegal as well- what if we had said "you have the same rights- to marry within your race"? It's complete nonsense.

The U.N. is a fucking voluntary organization co-founded by us and largely for U.S. interests.

You only have to subscribe to what you agree with in the U.N., no one forces you to do anything. This issue being a great example.

God, you're like one of those 1960's conservative assholes straight out of Orange County, get a clue.

Just because you think marriage is stupid doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the choice. If you don't like marriage, don't get married, but don't prevent other people from getting married either.

I doubt your rant will cause you to receive a staff message. However, your comment about Obama raping the Constitution, in light of the past 8 years is stupid enough to incur the ridicule of nearly everyone else.

(Speechless with the head tilted to the side with mouth open)

"like obama raping the constitution and liberals defending him"
Pfftt... where were you the last 8 years?

I have to agree somewhat about the UN part. The UN does not have a lot of power for obvious reasons. How does something like the UN enforce treaties and declarations on other countries?

"i have problems with gays marrying because marriage is something born of a religion, of which gays are not allowed to wed."
Marriage was not "something born of a religion." The purpose of marriages before it was considered "religious" was to marry for political reasons such as a gain in the higher status. For instance, Spartan women "married" Spartan men for the purpose of rearing children for the government.

"if couples are so deluded into believing they must have marriage to be happy they are too retarded in my mind to understand life and shouldn't be given shit."
I actually agree with you somewhat on this point. But I know some people who get married for financial purposes. For instance, one of my college professors was with her husband before they got married for seven years. They never really wanted to get married and it never occurred to them. But, they realized that if they got married, instead of having two separate insurances, they could share one. In case anything happened to the other, they could visit each other in the hospital or inherit the social security, etc.

Personally, I don't really care about marriage. But, according to our government, it gives me reasons to want to marry. But, if heterosexuals are allowed to marry and gain some of those rights, homosexuals should as well. Look at it this way. If the person you love is in the hospital, you can never visit them because hospital policy requires only the spouse and family members to visit. If you're not married to them or a family member, you can never visit the one you love in the hospital.

Homosexuals ARE allowed to marry, with the exact same restrictions heterosexuals have. Nothing unequal there, its just that homosexuals don't like the restrictions. Fine then, but its not a civil rights or discrimination issue.

im sorry flying faders, what plain of reality are you functioning on? by same restrictions i assume you mean "restricted to being between a man and a women". oh, us poor heteros have it sooo bad. to think that on top of it all, we have to listen to homos complain where we're willing to grit and bear it.
what the hell?

diode: look up the definition of ignorance.

"Homosexuals ARE allowed to marry, with the exact same restrictions heterosexuals have. Nothing unequal there, its just that homosexuals don't like the restrictions. Fine then, but its not a civil rights or discrimination issue."

Oh yes. Because we're having this entire debate for no reason. Please tell me why the people on Yes on Prop 8 are trying to invalidate homosexual marriages.

delia - i don't think marriage is stupid, i think its morphed into something people don't understand and can't comprehend, and as such has been taken advantage of by the government. i believe in the sanctity of marriage and it should only be allowed as such by people who really know what marriage is. not a bunch of idiots.

animalia - no and no. a) never said my religion, i have a faith, not a religion b) in the christian religion, all who repent of their sins and accept jesus christ as their lord and savior who died for their sins, goes to heaven. no one is destined for hell.

cybex - while bush kinda ignored the constitution, obama is whiping his ass with it. he's continuing bushes shenanigans by the way, already has signed bills that allow this. he's signing bills and not allowing people to READ THEM before forcing them to be passed. he's pushing bills that are blatantly abolishing parts of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 10th amendments. for the love of anything, how are people so blind as to not read what he's written, signed, and said he's going to sign. it's all in black and white.

anglcazn, ok, you pretty much agreed with met here so not much to say.

sunkisthappy - i see your name in websters...thanks for the hot tip. btw, no real arguement, just a personal slam, thanks for wasting my time. thanks for giving a credible argument with counterpoints to my post. oh wait, you probably aren't capable of doing that.

"i believe in the sanctity of marriage and it should only be allowed as such by people who really know what marriage is. not a bunch of idiots. " But who is able to make that call? You? Me? Religious institutions? The government?

Personally I think even idiots deserve to get married if that's what they want.

delia - when i end up paying for it out of my tax dollars, i say who

and yes we both know you have a good point i'm just in a foul mood at the state of the world

so diode, are you happy? you've managed to provoke a good amount of people to lavish you with attention. that was your goal, wasn't it?

here's another question: do you normally spend your time bitching and proselytizing on the internet when you're unhappy?

most people i know either get therapy or eat chocolate.

happy? with myself, yes. with my country and world, no. i don't care what happens with my comments as far as other users are concerned. i have the right to my opinion and to state it. my goal is to break everyone out of their molds, make them think, make them look at all sides of something without bias. my goal is to get my view out there, not to make people think like me but to get them to think period.

people get so happy finding out something and sticking to it, i like doing things that challenge their thought process and understanding of things. everyone needs it.

if i wanted the lime light i'd post something about how great obama is (not what i believe for the record)

sorry to burst your bubble but the internet is the information superhighway, its pretty much the medium for getting a message out there and getting your thoughts heard. and there is a big difference between what i said which is all mostly factually based while what you did was flat out bitch about something without substance and without providing any real feedback to my original post.

what if this was my therapy? ever think of that?

why don't more people think before they speak (type)

Thank you for quoting my life hero, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.His quote you provided proves he was very bright and way ahead of his time. Discrimination had been legaly declared UnAmerican for nearly a century by the time JFK came on the scene. Discrimination against anyone or any class of people is essentialy the motivation for and effect of a hate crime. That's why it constitutes a Felony under U.S. Statute when applied to employment, raises, promotions, and housing. JfK and LBJ ensured that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Equal Opportunity Employment Act
would be the law of the land.

wrd lol

Hes supporting gay rights way more than any other president and most politicians. He hasnt spoken out against gay marriage in a long time, so its possible he has changed his view. hes clearly spoken out against DADT.

Thanks, I try to find quality pictures for my posts.