Hillary Clinton admits US role in Mexico drug wars
source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/26/mexico-hillary-clinton-drugs-weapons
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The US secretary of state yesterday distanced the new administration from those in Washington who have in the past suggested that the government of the Mexican president, Felipe Calderón, had lost control of parts of its territory.
During a visit to Mexico, Clinton never wavered from a tone that repeatedly stressed the concept of "shared responsibility" that appeared designed to address historic Mexican sensibilities over heavy-handed treatment from its northern neighbour.
"We know very well that the drug traffickers are motivated by the demand for illegal drugs in the United States and that they are armed by the transport of weapons from the United States," Clinton said.
The acknowledgement comes amid growing international concern about drug-related violence in Mexico that killed about 6,000 people last year and well over 1,000 so far this year.
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RubyJ
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That was great! It appears that no one in the gov. making the laws dares to make a real move on this. What exactly are they afraid of?
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RubyJ
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RubyJ
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plusaf...I can't think of one thing you've said that isn't true. Except maybe your wife's nap time.....my nap time is 12:30 to 3:00. But maybe if mine were 3-6, I wouldn't fall asleep at 6:30.
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RubyJ
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RubyJ
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RubyJ:
Thanx, plusaf. ;)
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RubyJ
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darkhorsejim
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Prohibition in the U.S. failed miserably from 1920-1933. Not only did people keep imbibing, but the allure of drinking illegal alcohol increased its demand so much that organized crime was able to cement itself within our society. The war against alcohol was a miserable failure & that anyone who wanted a drink had little or no problem getting one.
Hasn't our gov't learned anything from this textbook example that human behavior cannot be legislated? Apparently not as a similar scenario has been allowed to play itself out for years, except with different drugs. Now the Feds have a tiger by the tail & don't know how to or even want to let go. The so-called war on drugs is big business for law enforcement & their penal contractors.
How much longer can we as citizens watch & allow this expensive, misguided & deadly failure under our current laws? The Feds or the states need to legalize, regulate & control these substances like it does with everything else we ingest. Until substantive changes are made, expect more of the same old BS that will continue to strengthen these gangs & ramp up a domestic war that we can't win.
"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." ~ Edmund Burke
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darkhorsejim
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rvguy43
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I figure the only things likely to cause a major negitive life-changing change in my life is a major illness or a major accident.
Granted, that just living involves risk, but...
I don't see how legallizing drugs reduces the likelihood of some irresponcible stoned driver crashing into me.
There's enough idiots in the world already without letting them buy drugs at the cornerstore.
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rvguy43
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brad62
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Here's a solution. Make them legal
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brad62
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MycoJ
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"80% of Assault Weapons seized in Mexico originate in Texas."
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MycoJ
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Ricky84
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If the prohibition of drugs does not stop the production and consumption of drugs then how can tighter restrictions on firearms stop something that is already prohibited by law?
Here’s another thing to consider, less that 2% of the firearms purchased at gun shows or flea markets are used in crimes.
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Ricky84
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Hoax_Productions
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The best solution is to make the illicit drugs legal and impose taxes and regulations. That way, the object to protect in border crossing goes away and the demand for guns dissipates. The same goes for human traffickers. The basis behind all of these real problems is the ban on drugs-which are an insignificant problem by comparison.
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Hoax_Productions
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juliska
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Drug legalization is the only way we can curb the cartel violence in Mexico. Sec. of State Clinton acknowledges that our policies of demand reduction and interdiction have failed, but offers nothing in the way of changing policies.
We need regulation! Regulation would mean that marijuana plants would be treated like any other traded resource. There's a reason we don't see coffee cartel violence out of columbia, it's because coffee is legal, and regulated with laws and courts instead of guns and violence.
Decriminalization won't be enough. We need to put all drugs in the regulated market. This won't mean that anyone can go to the corner store and pick up cocaine, but rather that licensed professionals will write prescriptions just like for any other drug. Most importantly, it means that the drugs will be imported legally, and competition will be fair and settled in daylight like all other open market trade, instead of by guns and corruption. This is the only way to end the violence of the black market. Legalization will save lives everywhere.
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juliska
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nmsamanda
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Sorry Aaron08 i believe that every time I pay taxes someone will die.
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nmsamanda
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Aaron08
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Afterthought,why doesn't mainstream media EVER come out and directly say this. Blood is on manys hands not just the one pulling the trigger but the ones placing the demand and keeping an arcaic law on the books are also to blame >.
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Aaron08
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allIknowis
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Aaron08:
So are you tying this into the buy local ad campaign? :)
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allIknowis
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Aaron08
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When are Our people of the U.S. going to realize,when they buy street drugs PEOPLE in other parts of the World DIE ! all because of "wanna get high" people die,really sad truth just to touch on the suface of this much larger issue.The only way to stop the deaths in Mexico/U.S. (southern mostly atm) cities is to STOP the $, either STOP buying/getting high (least probable) or i.e.decriminalize and tax. Who will shoot at eachother in Mexico if there are no Narco $ to fite over...hmmm..
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Aaron08
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sperritt
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The War on drugs should be re-named the war on the American people. We close factories and schools while building new prisons to fill with tax dollars and petty pot offenders in turn creating real criminals. End prohibition now and in one year the national debt would be gone. I am a gun owner as well but if i had to give it up to have a safer country then so be it. Holland has legal weed and no guns, hence low crime. The right to a gun was inacted in a time when you needed it to get dinner. I dont remember using my gun at Crackdonalds to get dinner. Everybody wants to have guns and say " you cant take mine away just the bad people. B.S. if we cant regulate 18 year olds from getting alcohol illegally how do you stop motivated criminals from getting weapons. Oh wait that is what this article is about. Guns And Drugs. Stop the MADDNESS
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sperritt
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akamaial [removed]
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With decades of failure attempting to curtail illicit drugs with existing law, policies, and procedures, you would think that it would be realized by now that the "WAR ON DRUGS" is ABSOLUTELY NOT WORKING, and WILL NOT CHANGE, because PROHIBITION WILL NOT WORK.
I am not for pro-drug use, but by simply legalizing the use, it would put an incredible amount of revenue into the economy and drastically reduce crime in at at least one sector of our society...because what we have now IS NOT WORKING, which any fool can see.....in my opinion
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akamaial [removed]
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titvol
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akamaial:
Exactly.
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titvol
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nmsamanda
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The u.s. governments war on drugs is to blame not the people of the united states. Just like the man to make the people take the blame for their war mongering. There is no justification for death and destruction of this scale, clinton just wants to sell her war. You are to blame clinton take your drug war and shove it up your....................
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nmsamanda
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huntre
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Let's not kid ourselves by suggesting that this is about marijuana as if it's the only drug related issue.
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huntre
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bailey78
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yea every thing is turning into one big joke allright. so what are you doing to help?
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bailey78
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titvol
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bailey78:
>>so what are you doing to help?
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titvol
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bailey78:
i smoke weed from california
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NorwegianHammer
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titvol
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bailey78:
lol....I used to, many years ago.
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titvol
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rvguy43
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I don't like the pejorative words that the reporter used to slant the readers opinion about this story. That's very unprofessional.
Reporters need to get their personal bias out of their reporting. Just state the facts of what Clinton said and let the readers decide what they think of what she said.
I'm so tired of the "blame America" crowd I could just scream.
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rvguy43
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allIknowis
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rvguy43:
I was wondering if anyone else noticed this I also read the story in Reuters, it had the same slant.
Made it sound like she was saying "oh yeah, the U.S. has shipped in tons of black ops people with automatic weapons to pose as drug runners and disrupt life in Mexico" "we admit it". Please. - 2 years ago
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allIknowis
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rvguy43:
Amen. Love it or leave it!
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barbara3d
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loustriker
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Legalizing marijuana... hmmm... quick, easy fix to a long, nasty problem.
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loustriker
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nmsamanda
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loustriker:
Why would they hurt their private prison investments and think of all the cash us taxpayers would get to keep if we did not have to buy military equipment. Without Iraq, private weapons contracts will go down we wouldn't want that would we.
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nmsamanda
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huntre
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The US is facing the consequences of turning a blind eye to this escalating problem for decades while waging a fake war on drugs without real gun control legislation.
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huntre
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js9999
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huntre:
If denying law abiding citizens is your idea of 'gun control' is has proven to be a miserable failure. Criminals will be armed regardless. Its time our court system took violent crime seriously instead of the revolving door criminal training center it has turned out to be and make the marijuana market legal to remove the big criminal money incentive.
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js9999
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allIknowis
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huntre:
True, True. If serious gun control was the answer, Washington D.C. would have the lowest gun violence rate in the world. I lived there for 5 years, believe me the only thing D.C.'s gun laws did was prove the bumper sticker about "outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns".
No I'm not a member of the NRA or have a concealed permit.
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allIknowis
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Ricky84
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huntre:
@Alll
Yeah and don't forget all the other countries that prohibit private ownership of guns.....like MEXICO!!
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js9999
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DougChristian
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js9999:
In what way is any of this against the 2nd amendment? It is a fact that most of the weapons used by the mexican cartels come from America. The 2nd amendment doesn't protect anyone's right to ship weapons to other countries. Saying we need to crack down on illegal arms trades is not saying we need to crack down on guns in general.
You 2nd amendment people should find a more reasonable line to draw in the sand. When you oppose even trying to keep automatic weapons out of the hands of terrorist groups, you're not worth listening to.
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DougChristian
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titvol
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js9999:
>>When you oppose even trying to keep automatic weapons out of the hands of terrorist groups, you're not worth listening to...
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titvol
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titvol
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Eight years and a gazillion dollars later, the so-called Department of Homeland Defense has done nothing to secure our southern border. So now is anyone surprised at the recent discussions blaming the Second Amendment and American’s drug use as the main problems in the cesspool to the south? What is the corrupt Mexican government doing other than encouraging it's peons to sneak across the border? Everything is just turning in to one big frickin' joke.
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titvol
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js9999
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titvol:
Ironic how the left made GWB to be evil for trying to secure the border and is now having to do it after so much damage has been already done.
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js9999
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titvol:
"Ironic how the left made GWB to be evil for trying to secure the border and is now having to do it after so much damage has been already done."
LOLOLOL
I am not "left" but I am not stupid either. If you call paying a company like Halliburton millions of dollars to put up a fence a good solution to the problem then you are as dim witted as the ex pres. The fricken Rio Grand doesn't stop illegal border crossing neither would a fence. They never tried to resolve the cause of the problem so don't pretend like the Bush administration tried to do anything besides line it's own pockets.
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chasingame
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DougChristian
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titvol:
The "corrupt Mexican government" is in the midst of a major crackdown on the cartels. This is why there is violence and why this is being discussed. But it doesn't matter: as long as drugs are illegal there will always be cartels and violence.
Complete border security is a fools errand. There is no such thing as complete security in any sense. None of the 9-11 hijackers were in the country illegally. We should always be striving to improve border security, but trying to seal them off completely is not worth the cost.
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DougChristian
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Q Mr. President, I wanted to follow up on the border question and the violence in Mexico. President Calderón recently decided to send an additional 5,000 of his troops to the border. The Texas governor has asked for a thousand U.S. troops or Border Agents to reinforce the border on our side. What is the tipping point in you mind, where the violence gets so bad that you need to act?And related to that, you named a new drug czar today. You've taken that position out of the Cabinet. You in the past have talked about decriminalization of marijuana. Are we still engaged in a war on drugs?And related to that, you named a new drug czar today. You've taken that position out of the Cabinet. You in the past have talked about decriminalization of marijuana. Are we still engaged in a war on drugs?
With respect to -- what was the second question?
THE PRESIDENT: I think what gave me pause on that question was I think you -- I'm not sure it's accurate to say that I -- well, the implication was somehow that I think we should weaken our drug laws. That's never been my position. I think that what we do have to -- I think the approach that we do need to take is to make sure that we have a both/and approach as opposed to an either/or approach.I think traditionally the debate is either interdiction, criminalization, longer drugs -- longer prison sentences for not only dealers, but users; that's one approach. And then the other approach would be sort of a public health, decriminalization approach.
My attitude is we do have to treat this as a public health problem and we have to have significant law enforcement. And, you know, if we can reduce demand, obviously that allows us to focus more effectively where interdiction is needed, where we've got to go after serious drug dealers and narcotrafficking.
Right now I think that we're fighting with one hand tied behind our back because our effort to lower demand is grossly underfunded, not as effective as it needs to be. The average person who is seeking serious substance abuse treatment in a big city, like Dallas or Chicago, typically has a three-, four-, six-month waiting list to get enrolled in a program. I think that's a problem and most law enforcement officials I think would agree that it is a problem.
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sickinjersey:
>>My attitude is we do have to treat this as a public health problem and we have to have significant law enforcement.
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sickinjersey:
Alrighty Jersey don't get impatient roll one up. Things are moving in a more positive way than I've seen in a long time. We are getting close. The dialogue is out there, the govmint needs cash.There are precedents now. Once you establish a precedence than it won't be long before the domino effect takes off. What's killin me is looking at all those fat nuggets in the bins, I start drooling and it's like I get mesmerized. I've never seen such beautiful flowers. Stay focused. Nothing else legal just give us our cush..greendreams!
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hydrokat
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Its about DAMN time somebody took the initiative to say that our country does not have the squeaky clean image like other people try to portray ..Thats why she was Obamas biggest competition..she doesnt try to play people like they're stupid..Its about time we own to some of the shit we put ourselves in..BUT in the same token, thats why the drug war in Mexico has not stopped is because its a money maker for our country and not to mention we kinda play a part in starting it..
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Is anyone surprised by Clinton's comments?? Texas has the longest stretch of US/Mexican border and the the slackest gun laws in America. It doesn't take a moranic ex-president from Crawford to figure this one out. One plus one equals boooom!
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bansheewail
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bansheewail:
and they're dirt cheap!
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bansheewail:
lol funny picture
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bansheewail:
It's not that easy obtaining weapons in the U.S. Especially full auto that requires Federal permission and about .03% of the population has this permission. All this compared to Mexico when the entire law enforcement down there is on the Cartel's payroll and receiving 5 helos and $700mill. Most of that money will be going to the cartels... You can't trust a corrupt government.
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buck19
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bansheewail:
Hey, I'm a Texan and thats an unfair stereotype. Our population has just as many people smart and less so by proportion than any other state. We are at least smart enough to have not completely nose dived financially like most of the other states.
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bansheewail:
Hillary is a crazy douchebag.
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